Here’s what I have coming up:
Some radius work. We’ve worked for this builder before and the framing was pretty rough, but this is a nice frame.
The cornice gets a copper wrap and the roofs on these two bays get standing seam. They also get copper gutter.
The dormers below now have cast stone fronts (these pix were taken in May) and get copper on the sides (will be either copper diamonds or copper claps – TBD), copper cornice and flat seam copper roofs.
There are seven of these dormers:
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Going to a bit lumpy putting the copper over this, no?
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You mentioned cladding the dormer sides and I remembered that you were fooling around with some copper diamonds (sorta shingle-like) awhile back. Whatever came of that idea?
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Whatever came of that idea?
http://www.grantlogancopper.com/shop?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=331&category_id=46copper p0rn
Cool. Going to use that here? Look forward to seeing how this turns out.'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Hey Steve-
See Dave's reply above. I've been noticing it takes a while as well. Anything we need to change?copper p0rn
I think it's your site, it loaded slow for me on the office computer. The pic of the 4 shingles came up quick, but the one of the larger area, and the scrolling illustrations at the top, took longer. Long enough that I almost clicked off."Put your creed in your deed." Emerson
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
Check your mail.'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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That will be a nice job for the portfolio.
keep us posted huh?
Grant, yout web site loaded slow, hope it is me not your site!
Dave
Grant ,
Looks like some nice work there .
Hope you'll post plenty of the work in progress .
Walter
Well, well, it looks like I was just invited to that party there, and you know me and how I like pictures too!
Never fear, I'll do my best to capture the kodak moments. But man, you know how hard it is to remember to shoot a pic, or stop and find a decent angle, then after a long day get em posted.
Now I HAVE to fix my other puter, this one can't do much without crashing.
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Duane ,
Glad to hear you're back earning dollars .
I know it can be tough to get good pics when up close , but give us your best !
Walter
I'll try my darndest to get a few of trickier shots.
Been milling custom poplar mouldings for 3 days now, I need a copper fix anyway and this one looks like a fun one.
I guess we start next week some time, fits in well in my schedule, I got one more day of woodwork left.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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You know what I want to see, brutha-man. Details. Be careful up high and have fun.
The devil is in the details.
Shoot that ain't high, no G suit needed. No meat ball to get back down, what's not to love?
It will be fun, I can't cut a straight line anyways, so it's right up my alley.
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Damm, that looks like a big house. Didn't think they were making them anymore. How many sq ft is it?
Keep the pics coming!
Kevin
Yeah I want to see pics of this house. It looks massive.
Hey Kevin-
This thing is huge. There's one being built up the street that's larger.
I've got this one and two others we're working on that the plans are in 1/8" scale rather than 1/4" so they'll fit on a single blueprint page. copper p0rn
Be sure to show how dry-in stuff has held up since May... and your site loads up fine on this liberal mac.http://www.tvwsolar.com
We'll have a kid
Or maybe we'll rent one
He's got to be straight
We don't want a bent one
He'll drink his baby brew
From a big brass cup
Someday he may be president
If things loosen up
Be sure to show how dry-in stuff has held up since May...
It's been on there a lot longer than that - I'd guess some parts of the roof were dried in by late Jan-Early Feb.
It holds up fine, even withstands bricklayer abuse pretty well.
and your site loads up fine on this liberal mac.
Thanks, but Steve fixed the problem this AM. I was too "liberal" with the amount of objects in the scroll.copper p0rn
< Be sure to show how dry-in stuff has held up since May...><It's been on there a lot longer than that - I'd guess some parts of the roof were dried in by late Jan-Early Feb.It holds up fine, even withstands bricklayer abuse pretty well.>Wow, I was thinking since May was great... what exactly is the stuff?...and I must just be a liberal square(d)
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We'll have a kid
Or maybe we'll rent one
He's got to be straight
We don't want a bent one
He'll drink his baby brew
From a big brass cup
Someday he may be president
If things loosen up
This is REX brand synthetic underlayment. I'm guessing it comes with the lumber package since I've only seen it on new frames. We get several other brands from the roofing supply houses, Titanium being my favorite.copper p0rn
Look at Walter's "flashing a chimney to a window" thread. There's another brand used on that house. I think it's Rooftopguard.copper p0rn
So, do they make the stuff in a copper colour? (my pinky was up when I typed that).http://www.tvwsolar.com
We'll have a kid
Or maybe we'll rent one
He's got to be straight
We don't want a bent one
He'll drink his baby brew
From a big brass cup
Someday he may be president
If things loosen up
To bad the whole roof was getting copper, you'd have all 5 crews working for weeks on one job!
Say hello to "Los Boys" for me.
Grant, I've often wondered if 50 years from now while the copper is doing just fine if all that fake stone will be faded white?
Guessing there's gonna be a lot of it looking like ghost stone?
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I've often wondered if 50 years from now while the copper is doing just fine if all that fake stone will be faded white?
I drove by a house recently that I faced the chimney on with peel and stick stone before my oldest kid was born. It looked fine to me and my son is 27 today. That being said, there's none of that on this house.copper p0rn
Surprised they are not covering all of that with the brick.....
No comprendez?copper p0rn
He said:
I'm ( a contraction of I and am)
NOT surprised ( like he expected)
They..( aliens)
didn't ( will later maybe)
cover ( adorn, shade, or hide)
it ( what ever he expects aliens to hide on a home)
with brick ( using globs of hardened mud)
So, he thinks later on the mud wasps from planet jabeetus will turn the dormers into pizza ovens.
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you're a G D genius you should write a book!
:)
I was trying to remember that old SNL skit with Garret Morris reading to the blind or whatever it was.
He'd just shout and repeat what was said , but it always began with "HE SAID!"
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I still don't know what he was talking about.
Here's some "as it sits" pix:
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You ready to get started tomorrow or Tues? Your two cupolas are going on this thing and there are 5-6 dormers with brick faces that need to be flashed so the brick layers can finish. I've worked for this brick contractor before and while they're hurry hurry hurry new construction mudslingers, they're good guys and good craftsmen.copper p0rn
And I thought the dormers on the house I'm on weren't handsome !!
Grant , how will you terminate the copper on those 3 porthole dormers with a raised facade ? Will you cut a reglet in them ? What material are those fronts made of ?
Walter
There's 7 of them and the faces are cast stone (concrete).
On three of the dormers, the casting protrudes about an inch above the roof plane. On one, it's flush, I think (the one way up on the front - I haven't climbed up to it yet) and on the other three it sticks up about 4-5 inches.
My 1st thought was to kerf the back, but you can see six of these things at the same time and the three with a 1" protrusion don't have enough room to kerf. So, I think we'll hem a piece to sit on the top of the casting and let it protrude past the face an 1/8" or so. Lay a good bead of Geocel on top of the casting before placing the copper. That way they'll all look the same from the front. I don't want the copper lipped over the front of the castings because I'm afraid of staining. Unless I use LCC or FGC for that part. Hmm. The brain wheels are still spinning...........copper p0rn
Holy jeez that place is palacial.
Tues works a lot better for me than tomorrow, but if it's gonna make a stink, I can rearrange. Just caught me in the middle of some harvesting related backlog.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Holy jeez that place is palacial.
That's just the doghouse. Just wait until they get around to building the people house! It'll have the sq ft of a super Walmart.
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That design looks like a charcter from the Star Wars - Clone Wars cartoon. A La Carte Government funding... the real democracy.
Those dormers remind me of the famous Texas cattle baron, Hogg was his last name.
Story goes that his wife gave birth to twin girls, when he wanted a son. In spite he named then Ima and Ura.
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Got started yesterday.
Here's Duane's cupola:
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We've decided they look top heavy and Duane is going to pack out the base a little.
Here's some copper soffit Duane's installing:
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All done.and a close up of your brain storm bending.Can't embed with this POS pooter, yer on yer own.
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Arrgh..wrong browser
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Not bad for a phone picture.
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Edited 9/17/2009 5:28 pm ET by Sphere
Oh hey, see that copper scrap tacked on the facia? First pic. That is dead center of the radius. It worked out to rad= 12'6 1/2"
Dia=would be 25' 1"That is the fascia skin measure.Seeyou in the AM.
Duane,Did you tip those joints or are the locks tapered? Can't tell in your last close up...might be one of those obstacle illusions. If they are tapered, I suspect Grant would have known the radius before hand, correct?Beautiful work...I have done miles of metal, mostly stainless, but that copper sure turns out nice!>
He engineered the lock/laps so there was enough room for me to fan them as I installed. Say 3/8th channel at the back to 5/8th at the front.
Sorta eyeball it. I had little or nothing to attach to at the rear, so, when the frieze below goes up against it there I can then pop a few rivits in just to keep it all snug.
So, yeah, they are sorta fanned like playing cards in your hand.
Grant made a template from the round and had it at his shop to work from and did a great job coming up with the method. I had never seen a copper soffit before either. And the store bought stuff in vinyl or al. is 12" wide, so he made 4" sections that could accordion around the curve.
He's a pretty sharp cookie, that guy. Made my job a cinch, I was installing faster than he could bend em up. Thats one of my favorite things about Grant, he's been in the field and looks out for his guys by taking the guess work out of the tricky stuff. I had very little trimming to do, mostly them stinking lights, but thats common to any soffit.
Thanks for following along, if it don't rain out Mon. I hope to have a new process to show. And fatten up my cupolas while I can still get to them.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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lookin good!
When a cute homeowner says that I usually reply "Thanks! Hows the copper look?"
But I'd guess you mean the copper, being as I didn't get a picture of my self.
Giggity, giggity, giggity Alllllriggght..uh huh.
(Edit for 3rd Giggity)
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Hey that's pretty cool. Never seen a copper soffit before out here in the provinces.Is each rectangular section a separate piece that then locks together?'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Never seen a copper soffit before
Me neither. - They are separate pieces.copper p0rn
Well, as a virgin soffiter, you did a great job!Thanks for the info.'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Just have to tell you how much I enjoy your very educational posts and photos. I don't do any work like this so that makes it even more interesting. I made the first copper flashings of my life this summer and it sure was nice to work with. The stuff you, Sphere and Walter do is real craftsmanship.
Thank you. Glad you're following along. Rain day today.copper p0rn
Always looking forward to the next installment. I think I've done something when I make an aluminum Z flashing! I really wish more people would post good stuff like this.
I thank you too. It is fun sharing our days events that others rarely, if ever do.
I have another camera angle here of the soffit, it is pretty cool.
I was telling Grant, I didn't have my compass or dividers up in the boom for scribing the can light cuts, turns out my coffee mug lid was exactly the right size (G) 4 1/4" on the money. Made those cuts a bit easier.
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Edited 9/18/2009 4:22 pm ET by Sphere
Beautiful! That looks like pretty heavy copper too, is it? What's the fascia going to be?
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Fascia will be Cu also, and 16oz Cu is .06 MM or .024" thick.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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How will you make the bottom lip smooth? I assume you can't bend it to that radius without cuts can you?
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I assume you can't bend it to that radius without cuts can you?
You sir, assume wrong. Stay tuned. I'd take a pic of the pieces ready to go, but they're outside and it's dark out there. And I'm skeered.copper p0rn
Let Scout lead the way, you'll be safe.
G & D,Thank you both for posting the great plcs and work. Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
Thanks, Chuck.
You know, this isn't the restoration work I learned my trade doing and really love, but we get to create a little on a job like this. Our job is to "put copper on it". The archy has stepped back and is letting us run with it. I just finished bending the cornice and now I'm gonna think about the roof a little more. Might change my mind before morning about what we're gonna do to it. copper p0rn
Let Scout lead the way, you'll be safe.
The snake bites the second trespasser-
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I bring my own wherever I go.Hey, Sphere is back,,,,time for a Zorro ban I guess.
I bring my own wherever I go.
Own what?copper p0rn
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I get it now.copper p0rn
Really? Can't wait to see the pictures.
I tried to take you one, but my flash isn't working. I'll get one tomorrow and Duane will get some install pix Mon.copper p0rn
Nice to know I can't even afford the SOFFITS on a house.
jt8
Time is the coin of your life. It is the only coin you have, and only you can determine how it will be spent. Be careful lest you let other people spend it for you. -- Carl Sandburg
How's your place progressing? Haven't seen any pix lately.copper p0rn
How's your place progressing? Haven't seen any pix lately.
Done. It changed from a project house to move into... into a project house to sell. Wish I'd known that a couple years ago, I could have saved a whole lotta $$. FSBO'ed it for a couple weeks then listed it with a realtor. She had a buyer within a couple days. Closes in a week or two.
The Napoleon went with the house, so no wood burning for me this winter.
jt8
Time is the coin of your life. It is the only coin you have, and only you can determine how it will be spent. Be careful lest you let other people spend it for you. -- Carl Sandburg
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Cool. You gonna do it again?copper p0rn
I think I'd rather build one from scratch. This one kept expanding until it because MORE work than building one from scratch.
From scratch I could have a basement instead of crawl. From scratch I could have the closets that them females want. From scratch I might try SIP's. From scratch I could have a tornado room for when those sirens are going off (seems frequently the last couple years).
jt8
Time is the coin of your life. It is the only coin you have, and only you can determine how it will be spent. Be careful lest you let other people spend it for you. -- Carl Sandburg
Those soffits are probably worth more than my house.
do we have an update comin?
Tomorrow, I been adding crickets to the barrel top dormers.
Not much to look at.That and a flat tire.
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The copper work looks great. The house, not so much. What the heck is that trim over the window called? Big pimple trim?
Its a money zit.
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Hope it makes someone happy. Anyway, the copper is great.
THNX, it's good to do GOOD work that is appreciated. Sweet H.O. and the PM is turd, but I still love the challenge.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Whats going on with the PM?
Mostly he is absent ( running two homes this size) and clueless. I saw the Hardie being installed on some dormers and pointed out that a starter strip was missing..he didn't know what I was talking about. You could see the first hunk ( shingle) laying flat, and then the lap showed a different shadow.Grant says he's just a numbers cruncher, no hands on exp. at all, from what I can see. Generally NICE, just not qualified for the hat.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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>>>Its a money zit. Now there's a term that speaks volumes. (Yer always coming up with stuff like that....must be a southern thing)
Here is where I left it today.
Notice the fine work by the other "roofers" , they made a step flashing tunnel to make SURE it leaked..duh.
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(ooops, I need to redo the pic loading, I am having technical difficulty at the moment, I'll resize and ad them)
New copper cricket fixed that.
Copper 5" reveal claps going up, and the back of the stone facade is now sealed off.
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Think you used enough re-sizing there, Butch?copper p0rn
Butch, did Duane change his name?>G<
Man I had all sorts o' problems getting the pics worked out..I had to use the other LT for camera pics ( this one can't handle the extra load) and resize them there ( using the TV as a monitor) and then email them to myself and re load them on this one.
Then open and save all the phone pics on this one.
I gotta find a better way, Oh and then Taunton prompted for an Open or save in preview mode.
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Try this again.
Inside corner now laps over the cricket.
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The siding Grant made is 5" reveal, I just snip and fold up a tab to nail it up, but I found after a few, I like a rivet more better.
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I didn't have a last course hunk to hang by quittin time, so here is where it is for now.
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Notice I had to tweak the J channel on the roof plane, seems like they might have a dip there from a bad rafter or something, not MY problem, but I had to split the diff and sorta follow it, else there'd be a huge gap under my work.
I aghor following bad work on NEW houses, Old places I expect a sag or two, but this is just sloppy framing I think.
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I think those shingles are tacky."Put your creed in your deed." Emerson
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
Freaking heavy I know that.Oh hey Grant, they lifted the face layer and nailed UNDER that on them shingles...LMAO. And tons of high nails and low nails. Any idea who that was?Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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I think i like that copper siding. how about a pic of the whole dormer when done?
for sure, I have cornice to hang and the roof.Our hold up is the other roofers, they need to get the planes done so they don't F.U. our copper when they roof around the dormers. So I've had to jump around and do alittle here, a little there until they catch up. And they seem to only work in the rain or weekends.Once they get outta our hair, I can rip out their flashing and do my stuff and reshingle in where I have to. The right way.We couldn't go any more on the front bow , till the masons are done, so that they don't mess up the copper.See a trend here?It's not all the PM's fault or the masons, the H.O. often wants mock ups and getting the cast stone and such has a long lead time..they laid 4 different kinds of brick for the front stairs before she decided #2 was what she wanted.Typical for new work I guess, on re habs we just rock and roll, with no other subs to deal with too much. This site is also really crowded, the cast stone that just arrived was 109 pallets, and they dont stack, they are scattered all over and two big machines , our boom and the masons Lull are always fighting for a clear space to work from.The old "I want to be in by Thanksgiving" hasn't reared it's uglyhead yet, but I'm sure it will.
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sounds like the job i just came off of and there not wanting to pay for change orders.
hope that doesn't happen there.
I haven't been there long enuf to get the details in all the glory, but I hear dribs and drabs. It is one of the largest builders here, and they seem solvent if somewhat dis organized. The HO is nice enough woman, just easily distracted by the flavor du jour I guess.Funniest work stoppage I heard about was FLEAS! Seems the field was a racoon haven before, and the site was intolerable, subs were refusing to work till something got done, even the BI threatened to not do any more insp. till the fleas got gone. walk inside the house and get covered in nano seconds. Some guys pulled up stakes for a week.I missed that thankfully.I think the copper stuff is written in stone already, lucky form me too, I don't deal with that end of Grant's dealings, I got my own customers that do the switcheroo or such nonsense.Hope ya work it out with that guy, 10 yrs is long biz relationship to have go sour.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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What do you use to clean the copper of fingerprints etc when you are done?
Acid rain.
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Acid rain would definitely do the trick. What I have seen done with copper in this thread is simply astonishing.
well c'mon down and grab ahold of some..LOL
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haha no dice! Just started a big remodel up here, HO is without heat and my company is framing it up... no days off allowed!
Glad you are staying busy, many aren't.
I get rain days and back pain time off, thats about it, we're swamped.
Actually, I take that back, I have MY work in the shop on rain days ( right now it's two cabs, and rebuilding sash), and when my back acts up, I don't get a lot done for a day or two. Lost half a day Thurs, and just now getting loosend up to have back at it in the morning. Bad back suxx.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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I can understand where you are coming from, my partner (head carp only 34) has a terrible back, into the chiro every other day and no relief. He shows up everyday and works however when it comes to lifting and ladders, he has to take it easy (no more slugging 3/4 sheets of MDF) he actually was moving a sheet 10 years ago and hit a door frame, cracked it in two and something in his back cracked (audibly) hasn't been same since.
Needless to say I am very careful, I always get someone to help me, wear hearing protection, glasses etc. What do you do about your back?
I do the chiro thing as often as needed, and fam. doc . prescribed meds, but ICE and rest is the best unless I hit the lotto and get the knife.
Mostly a spasm that pulls out a vert. and causes impingment and pain, then the numbness down my arm.
I've done about everything Dr. wise, not much else to do but bear with it. I can go months w/out a problem, then WHAM, I'm down. Driving is the worst, cant get comfortable.
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My partner on advice from his wife is going to try acupuncture and massage. I hope that gives him some relief. I am trying to get him to drop the pouch but he has no interest in that. I hope he can choose that option before it chooses him.
all finished here?
They don't use flashlights !!
No, we hadda pull off for an emergency job at the Mary Todd Lincoln house. That and other roofing subs are dragging out their shingles.
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emergency job at the Mary Todd Lincoln house
I saw you mention that before, but thought you were kidding. What are you guys doing over there?'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Had to install some diverters to keep water from hitting the chimney backs and pouring in behind the rake boards or washing out over the face of the rakes.
Nothing spectacular to look at, actually, my job was to make them almost invisable. Just some dams fabbed up from the boom basket.
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My first day with the stretcher went OK I'd say.
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I didn't get a pic of the dormer cornice ( which went flawlessly) due to lack of good light, it was deep shade when I was packing it in.
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Soffit and Frieze complete, just need the fascia decision.
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Must be a sign that Sphere is supposed to work here, this Stone Sphere is cool as all get out, I want one for home.
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Sounds like sciatica. Go to a car interior guy and have him take the bucket out of the seat, or the very least, get yourself a wedge seat cushion and drive with the seat back vertical. Works for me. Also try
the physical therapy route, takes time, but does work. You need to
stretch your spine.
This is upper left trapezious muscle spasms.
17 went through a van windshield @ 60 Mph.22 broke the scapula on a truck shifter ( which broke too), and a few g's both pos. and neg. in the Navy kinda messes up one's spine.
The trap spasms, yanks on the thoracic verts and cervical , then a nerve gets pinched and the discs get wonky. Been like this for a long time, but seems to get more frequent as I get older. I have had times where I could go a whole year or more, with no problems. This is the 2nd go round this year..not fun at all.
Trust me, I did everything Dr, Therapy, needles, drugs, ice , heat, stretch, don't stretch, weights, isometrics, chiro, wiccanism..youname it..nothing works exceppt time.
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"and a few g's both pos. and neg. in the Navy kinda messes up one's spine."
Ain't that the truth. Best day for my back was when I stopped flying fighters. Never knew how much pain it was triggering until the trigger wasn't being pulled anymore.
Spent most of the day sandwiched betwixt the dormers adding the siding and cornice partz.
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I had to "adjust" some of the framing ( if you could call it that) yesterday. Like I had to actually attach some of it that was only held up with grace and I&W guard...idiot frammers abound.
There is a lot of copper all meeting up in these corners, and more yet to come..
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Ran into a boom lift issue as well, I wadded up the cable loom support as I retracted, took awhile to stretch, beat, clamp and bolt the damm thing back together. I'll weld it tomorrow.
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I also saw that the cast stone facade was way outta whack, outta plumb, outta plane...I didn't want to actually scribe to the back side at my inside corner, or even trace the angle of deviation, so I cut long and bent back the cornice wrap, then hammer peened / filleted the joint. It looks a little wonky up close with the fresh scratches ( I didn't have my "good" hammer for that step) but from the ground 30' down, it looks downright purty. I can solder that joint , but I highly doubt any significant water would get in, and it's all redundantly dried in and lapped below, to the drain plane at the cricket.
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When I am done all the roofs and finals, I'll fish the shingles in.
Oh yeah, check out this work of art, on the dormers that don't get copper, someone thought this was a good idea..LOL I hate it.
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Love the copper you're doing, but from the looks of it, much of the rest of the project appears to be "plan as you go, we'll fix it later" approach. Is it as bad as it seems?
Everything will be okay in the end. If it's not okay, it's not the end.
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There's a while lot of busy going in those little bitty work areas.
Being skinny has big advantages, I can fold like a pretzel or reach waaaaaaaaaaaaay across the roof..LOL
Short hammer handle is a plus too. No jokes now, about that.
I didn't take any pics today, but I have them 3 all done excepting for the actual roof skin. I spent the coldest part of the morning welding the boom lift, and resetting the ONE 15A breaker that I could plug into...sheesh, 1000 amps going in that house, and we have one live GFCI outlet for me and the masons...the temp power was cut off just the other day, I shoulda welded then, when the ele was just pouring outta the temp box..100 amps unused.
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Great thread! Thanks for posting.Beautiful work.
Man that's so nice. Such a shame they didn't go with slate. Certainly looks like they could afford it. They are renovating a big ol' church here in New Brunswick, NJ just by the train station. They just finished a giant roof in slate and galvanized. Haven't seen any redo's on the roof, but quite a bit on the stucco on the rear of the church. I think they're redoing it for the 4th time. I hope to start my copper job soon. (May have a question or 2 on my thread) Just as soon as this other work dies down. Thanks for the pics-
With the framing and the roofing crew that did the shingles, they ought to be thanking their lucky charms that it wasn't slate.
Jim I'm so PO'ed that I can't yet make the trip, man, I just hate it. I can barely tolerate the hour of windshield time I have getting to work and then the drive home is even worse. I have to make a call to my dr. this week, I ran the course of steroids and flexeril and really have very little change or improvement.
Seeing that Piff's mom passed away , my heart sunk for not getting to see MY mom yet...so that trip east had a lot in it for me. I am gonna kick and scream for the Doc to come up with a plan B, or C or whatever we are at now.
You'll be one of the first to know when I am up to the travel. Working isn't a problem, it's just that I can't sit for more than a 1/2 hour without major pain, I can stand and walk, climb, and laydown just fine.
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Get an old UPS van and you can drive standing up.
Good thinking! Does it include that UPS girl posted here often?
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You can sit down on the little stool chair if you get too tired. I believe you can pick up a hooker and dress her in a ups outfit to drive around with if you're into that sort of thing.
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Well, yeah!
Sounds good Duane. Feel bad you can't see your mother.
Yeah Jim, it sucks.
I called my doc again and BEGGED for Plan B, plan B is Physical Therapy...so as soon as I can scrape up the $$ I will begin that, and hope for the best.
Drugs so far have been useless this time, before I could eat a weeks round and be back in action, this time, I dunno..nothing is working.
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Skin the barrel time.
I didn't shoot pics of the cleat soldered to the barrel side of the valley, flux and camera phone don't mix well.
But as I beamed up and across to secure the ends, I shot this of two panels down.
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The starter at the valley is a tuffie, it has to curve and lock down on the cleay underneath. See the 2"? Thats the prep tool space again, I lay it in the valley crease, mark for my cleat, then when I am trimming my roof skin, I can rough it in, and use the 2" as my fold line.
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If I get lucky, I can lock it in the first time, then hammer it closed, and come back and solder where water may push.
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Oh, the days here have been perfect autumn, and I was eating lunch I realized how small my 6' cupola looks on this 16,000 SqFt. house, this is the 4 car garage breezeway/pass thru.
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Right now there is 6K sqft of reclaimed resawn BEECH flooring going down, nail holes, knots, splits and checks, but it looks awesome. And what a deal, only 12 bucks a sqft installed. All local wood beams, sawn here in Lexington. The flooring guy said acclimation ain't a problem it grew here, was a barn for a 150 yrs, and now is flooring. I'll get some pics of it, and hopefully a truck load of scrap. (G)
Lost time having to harness up and rope off..OSHA is lurking I was warned. I work 2x as fast and 2x as safe without all the rope and stuff tangling me up and getting in my way.
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you'll hang your self with all them ropes in the way if your not keerfull.
Yeah, or forgetto unhook from the roof anchor and get in the boom and start moving away.
A certain amount of respect for being unattached makes ya safer than the false security of a harness. I mean I'd rather claw my way down and find a nice plop spot, than hang from my 400. dollar Miller set-up while I try to dial the phone.
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I mean I'd rather claw my way down and find a nice plop spot, than hang from my 400. dollar Miller set-up while I try to dial the phone.
By 300 yesterday, I was the only one on site.
I don't care who ya r thats funnuy right ther.
I got an awesome visual. :)
Thanks for the belly laugh.
Well, did you know that IF you have a hang on in a harness ONCE, it is no longer approved by OSHA? Scrap it.
Mine has paper work in a closed packet for inspection log. But a 15K or higher fine for no harness is a no brainer.
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Hey but if you were to slide and ride, maybe the nice tug when you hit the end of your line will yank all those vertebrae back into alignment. But then you'll have no more excuses to not take the wife square dancin'.Pretty work by the way...
Duane ,
Why wouldn't you use clips to hold the siding instead of cutting the laps ??
Walter
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Gotcha !
Nice work! Love those copper clapboards.
Seee? I can make perfect sense of internet speak.
That's fawkin' hilarious!
Where's rez with your BB intergalactic translator award?
Grant ,
I know there is a heavy heart now , with Dales passing , but please give us the ending to this great job when you're up to it .
I'm heading to Grand Manan in Canada for a couple days ,so I won't bug you further .
Best , Walter
Grant,
Where is the job. Coming to Ky. in late Oct. and would like to see it. and maybe drink a beer
Dudley
Hey Dudley.
It's in McAtee Run off Tates Creek Rd right before you get to Hartland.
Good to hear from you. Hope Carmen and the kids are well.
Do you have Tavern access here? Did you hear about Dale? copper p0rn
What about Dale
He had a heart attack last Sat and died Monday morning. The funeral was Fri. Ask for Tavern access. There's two threads about it with links to the obituary.copper p0rn
Very sorry to hear that. My thoughts are with you and his family.
http://forums.taunton.com/tp-breaktime/messages?msg=122964.1
click that link and ask for access.copper p0rn
It rained all week. Duane got the fascia and frieze done one day last week.Thought he got some pix, but he hasn't posted them yet. Not sure why.copper p0rn
Yeah, sorry about that. I have the pics in my phone, and I can only email them to myself when I have 3g network capapbility. Which isn't available at home. If I don't get the pics sent from the job location, I can't get them out of the phone.
As I rolled away Tues. there was severe storms nearby, and the pics I tried to send, didn't make it though the ethers.
Now I gotta wait till I am back in 3G land to send them. I bought a micro card and adapter, but the adapter don't seem to work when I put it in the camera to read the card.
I'll have to go back to just the camera and I'm fed up with the phone and lousy service anyway. Living here in the sticks and foil insulation under the metal roof is not conducive to good cell recep. and even outdoors, I have to drive a mile up the road to answer the phone.
Now about the rain....flooded all around us, but we're high and dry. 2 of our escape to town routes were impassable, but the 3 rd way up to Waco was mostly OK.
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Ok, we went out for dinner and I had service.
Here is where it stands, before the drip edge, it was raining when I left so I didn't get a parting shot.
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There is a slight oil canning spot on the soffit, but that will be behind the gutter, I didn't want to snip it for relief. The lid up there isn't as round as it could be.
On the Frieze here, I had to make a few small reliefs to alter the radius , butthey line up with a soffit groove and are invisible.
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These are pics 2 and 4 , 1 and 3 are similar, but slightly diff. angle or zoom.
Hope to have more pics Mon. night.
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Looks good-I've got some roof pans ready.
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Kewl. I swing by and snaggem up. Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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I'm in need of some copper roof help. I need something for a 3/12 pitch, that doesn't require soldering. The style doesn't matter just has to be water tight. I'll give you a call when I get the final decisions on dimensions.It's not too late, it's never too late.
I'll be glad to help. Did you go to the G20 Summit?copper p0rn
No. I'm stuck in bed with a ruptured L4, and bulging L5 vertabrae. Seeing the neuro surgeon tomorrow.I wanted to go downtown just to huff some tear gas, but no dice.I'm not sure what problem the anarchiest's have with chicken, but they only smashed windows at Boston Market and KFC. Maybe they were pis$ed about the Colonel selling out and pimping grilled chicken?It's not too late, it's never too late.
I'm stuck in bed with a ruptured L4, and bulging L5 vertabrae. Seeing the neuro surgeon tomorrow.
Holy Smokes - how did that happen?copper p0rn
No idea. They think it's been like that for a while. My back has been soar for a year or so, but last month the pain became severe. Something must have moved enough to pinch a nerve or something. Had a MRI last week, seeing the specialist tomorrow.Today is the first day of work I've missed, but we'll see what happens.It's not too late, it's never too late.
Do you in any way suspect the Amish as the cause of your problem?
Probably. All those dry heaves from the stink...It's not too late, it's never too late.
This is a very interesting thread. Thanks for sharing.Of course, I have questions. I don't know much about circles and circular installations. The metal intrigues me...but I'm glad I don't have to do it LOL. How is the bottom edge of the roof metal created? It looks like those panels are about 30" wide at the bottom. In one close up, it looks like you've created a series of straight steps to create the illusion of it being curved. Or, it is curved at the bottom and I just can't see enough of the panel. The panel's sizing if of interest to me too. How do you decide how wide to make them? Are you following some specific specs from the architect? Or are you scaling the plans? Or, do you size them to minimize waste? Is there a limit to how wide you can make the panels before they show stress when installed? Lots of questions....because I don't really know too much about what you are doing.
Being as I'm the onstaller I can answer some of that.
The bottom edge is slightly curved, but not a true radius, I do make a cut and fold it as two halves and they can have a slight curve, but you can't bend in two ways at once.
He fabs the pans out of a 24" wide sheet, he gets two triangles full length, that determines the width. There will be 20 identicle pans and then 2 finishers TBD when I reach the walls.
If Grant gets here tonite he can address the rest of the particulars.
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I think I hear you saying: The "pans" come out of 24" wide stock. Grant plans it to get two full pans out of each length. That still leaves some waste, but not much. You probably use it for other parts eh? The bottom of the pan is really a series of arc segments...about 12" wide each? That must create an overlapping drip edge that varies. You mention that the bottom is slightly curved. If you are bending the bottom edge, can it still be slightly curved or is it just an illusion? Did I mention that I'm glad you are doing this...I really hated building round things.
Due to the taper and locks, the flat portion of the pan is about 20" wide at the bottom, and about 2.5" wide at the top. Take a 2'x10' rectangle and draw a diag. line from 20" to 4" , you will get 2 of them..no waste at all. Then he bends the locks for the standing seams ( male, and female).
The bottom is more tangents than arcs, but at a 12' radius , it appears to be rounded, because the facets have a little curve that I "tweak" with my hammer. Copper is much more forgiving than anything else roof metal wise.
The tabs suck the pan down to the deck, and the curved dripedge is what stiffens and holds the bottom , which is wrapped over the front DE lip and clenched.
I'm glad I'm doing it too, I like to eat.
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Grant plans it to get two full pans out of each length. That still leaves some waste, but not much.
No waste:
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Looking at the sketch in post 117, it looks like there is one right angle and one acute angle on the wide end. Does that cause a problem?
Well,I saw a note from you that you cut a little piece off the bottom that tapered from 0 to 4" so maybe that made both angles the same.
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you cut a little piece off the bottom that tapered from 0 to 4" so maybe that made both angles the same.
More like 0" to 2". copper p0rn
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How is the bottom edge of the roof metal created?
Duane partially answered that. There's a D style roof edge that Duane installed by making relief cuts in the roof flange which lets the rest of it conform to the radius. The pans are then hemmed as he described and the hem locks to the front edge of the drip edge. Expansion/contraction will be relieved at that lock.
How do you decide how wide to make them?
I had to find the circumference at the bottom and at 10' up (my pan length) and then I could figure a ratio for top to bottom. Then I figured what widths I could get out of different size sheets with no waste. Splitting a 2' wide sheet came out to almost dead on a whole number, so that's what I went with.
Duane found the middle and started there. Any discrepencies will be taken care of in the last pans against the wall.
Is there a limit to how wide you can make the panels before they show stress when installed?
I'm not sure what that means.copper p0rn
Okay...so far, the process is what I imagined. Now, I'm thinking about the substrate. It's a true radius. So, when you lay flat sheet stock on it, are you allowing it to stay flat, or are you bending it to lay down tight to the decking?
So, when you lay flat sheet stock on it, are you allowing it to stay flat,
Yeah - the wedge shape of the pans conforms it to the sheathing. I didn't lift up the dry-in, but the only way I know to sheath a beast like this is a series of wedges.copper p0rn
I saw I have a big hump near the back finisher, gonna need some shimmage under the pan.
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Jim, here are a few quick shots of today, I had a few photo issues with my phone and camera, I have more and better pics but can'tr access them at the moment.
I got everything on today except the ends at the wall, they are custom made.
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Also am working with Grant on a finisher at the top, stay tuned for that idea, it'll be a surprise.
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Here you can see from above, how round it looks after I tweak the bottom edges.
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And how much I have to work with when the pan is first slapped down.
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Thats all I got for tonite. Ice cream time and sleepy time.
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duane, lookin good but I've got a couple of questions but don't want to sound critical
can you give us a shot from straight on again like in an earlier post
somehow i imagine the bottom of the panel to go on square (as can be ) with the radius
is it so far out of square because of the way it got cut ( 2 pcs from one sheet) and yous never bothered to cut it because you had to cut again on the roof anyway
why did you cut the drip instead of crimp it
cant wait to see yous plan for the top
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not trying to bust balls just curious its a killer project and something that i would love to be involved with I eat breath and sleep the cray stuff. :)
Good questions.I'm going to make a guess...only because I like to figure these things out anyways...especially if I don't have to do the work.The panels aren't square to the bottom if you are only considering the bottom cut. Grant had to create some small waste somewhere...when he cut two pieces out of one rectangle. Either the small waste would be on the top/bottom or side. If he squared the bottom, the side waste would be significantly more square footage. The other question regarding the focal point...I'm guessing that the focal point is somewhere behind the wall and higher.Just my guesses.
yes the focal point is behind the wall and higher as it is framed,
but the current angle of the ribs , as i see it (and could be just the pics ) will never get there they would all cross before then.
but it could all be the way I'm seeing it in the pics.
I'm sure grant and duane have it all under control without my 2 cents. :)
I can't believe you framed all those years and didn't like curved work.
I eat it up! don't know why but I'd do it every day.
I always hated curved work. It's too slow. I also never took the time to learn the geometry or the trig.
...and, it's not efficient with materials or labor. Its.....UNGREEN!
Grant had to create some small waste somewhere...when he cut two pieces out of one rectangle.
Yeah - there's about a 2" to nothing piece that gets cut off the bottom.
I'm guessing that the focal point is somewhere behind the wall and higher.
That's correct - Typically these things come to a point, but it looks like the cornice got in the way so they rounded the top off. I can see what I want to do at the termination in my mind's eye, but I'm not sure if my hands can make what I see. There'll be a little trial and error. Duane will make me a pattern of what's there today and I'll probably sort it out tonight.
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I'll be watching. It would be easy if everything was as it should be. You are at the mercy of the framing. A guy once told me "carpentery is a series of compromises". Your roof fits that mold perfectly!
Duane and I were just talking about how much harder it was to frame that thing truncated vs coming to a point as it should.
We've done several turrets for the same company and I've not posted pix of them because the framing was so rough it was hard for us to make our copper work look great on it. On one, we used a whole bundle of cedar shingles shimming the seams to taake the flat spots out. This bay roof is framed pretty darn well. copper p0rn
Driving home I figured out what some of the variables are creating. The pans are what I'd call a half dovetail, and the ratio is 1:5 4" at top to 20" at bottom. A true dovetail would have both edges sloped at that ratio and no rt. angle at either end, just obtuse and acute.
With the pans having one edge being a rt. angle at the bottom and top, I get the stair stepping effect above, and the cut off at the drip line. Add to that the same (female or male) edges being the square to bottom or top mateing with an angled side, it skews the pattern.
The framing was (is) wonky because of that truncation and they also have humps and flats in the sheathing...
No kidding that makes it hard..LOL
I think if both edges of the pans were tapered at 1:5 , I would have had less to trim at the drip, and a truer semi circle at the top.
I'm guessing it would be about 10 degrees of taper..Dtails are 7 or 14 most often just as a reference to the slope or ratio..1:6 or 1:8 for hard woods. Who says woodworking standards don't apply to sheet metal? (G)
ED to add: the only way to have doen that w/out slivers of waste was to alternate which side got which lock, booh match the 90 degree sides together, other wise both edges would have to be sheared at 10 degrees.
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The framing was (is) wonky because of that truncation and they also have humps and flats in the sheathing...
You didn't see the last two. They were awful.
I've got the top figured out. I've had three failed attempts since you left. I'll probably have pix in the AM. I'm ready to bag it for the day in about an hour.copper p0rn
I heard showers early, giving in to sun later, I'll just come up anyway, I guess the van can wait. I'll swing by Bell Ct. and snag some batts for the grinder in the early rain.
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Check the radar before you come. The hour by hour says rain 'til early afternoon.copper p0rn
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I'd say your right. just from looking at your photos, but who the **** am I?
Looks good any way and no one else will ever notice!
I want pics of the other roofs to critique as well :)
Just get a couple of 5 gallon buckets of that black goop stuff. Pour it all over the top section of the roof that's not yet covered with copper, then spray paint it orange. No one will figure it out until after the check has cleared.
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And per our yesteryear conversations/emails regarding copper, I just wanted to let you know, even though I haven't been posting on the thread, but I've been watching. Nice work.
Thanks, it's fun work too.
Shoot, I just realized you don't go into the tav. So you don't know ( maybe) that my old co-worker and friend, and Grant's main go to guy Dale, DIED two weeks ago..it's a hard place to be , sorta in his wake.
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OK - here's how I think we'll resolve the top:
Working from your template
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which should continue the roof up to the wall. The truncation definitely weirds it up. I've just done one side from wall to the center as a test. If it works, I'll carry on. I think I may need to slim them up some, since I didn't allow for the seam width 'til the 4th or 5th pan. After you test fit this side, I can fiqure out what to change for the 2nd half.copper p0rn
I'm loving it.
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I would be looking for a very tall building or bridge....
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After I found that tall building or bridge; I'd never have to think about all that again! You have reinforced my thinking that I love straight and square....
You have reinforced my thinking that I love straight and square....
About anybody can do straight and square. Fortunately in my 25+ year career, I've never been around "production" jobs much. Straight and square is a box. I like it outside the box - there's more room to move.copper p0rn
I agree. It's jobs like you're doing that get me up in the mornings. I love a challenge but we don't get much of that kind of job down here. At least I don't.
I'm pretty darn lucky concerning the stuff I get to work on. Some of my guys have gotten spoiled. When things started slowing down, I had to take some less glamerous jobs to keep everyone eating. I heard a little griping and I invited anyone that didn't like the projects to find their own and go do them. Meanwhile, I was getting more calls from people looking for work than for someone to do work.copper p0rn
I doubt it's luck. The cream always rises to the top.
You boys to busy getting fitted for Halloweenie costumes to finish the pictures on this first roof ??!!!!!
Here ya go:
We kind of had a cunundrom at the top of this thing. The seams got too close together to close them properly and they're up under the soffit which made access difficult. So we switched to "U" pans with seam caps vs true standing seam for the last little bit. The seam caps are not yet installed:
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And Duane got it flashed out:
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And here's a "stand back and admire your work" shot. I'm doing the 2nd half of the top pieces right now. Duane had to rework all of the 1st half pieces that I made from his template. I figured they'd be off a little, so I held up on the 2nd half until he tried them. I know what to do to make it easier on him now.
And then there's this:
The chuckleheads doing the trim lashed a 32' ladder onto a 40' ladder to get high enough. The bottom's probably sitting on some drywall buckets to get that extra couple of feet.
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That looks beautiful from here Grant. Nice work. The top looked like quite the booger job..I wish I could have been there to offer some of my boogerin expertise to Sphere.After looking at the chuckleheads solution...I'm wondering...how did Sphere get up to the top of those 13' copper strips?
how did Sphere get up to the top of those 13' copper strips?
The rafter length is a little over 10' - the panels are 10' long. I just mention this because I think there's a misconception about how large this thing is.
He's using my boom lift.copper p0rn
I'm curious. Does copper come in lengths longer than 10'?
Does copper come in lengths longer than 10'?
Yeah. It's available in roll form, but there's less temper to it. My machinery is 10' long, so I don't use much roll copper. I've bought two rolls in 25 years and that was because what I had to bend a bunch of was a little over 4' long. If I bought 10' sheet, I was gonna be left with lots of 21" cut offs and I couldn't get two pieces out of 8' sheet. So I wound up with a 2' or so piece left over from each 12 pieces.copper p0rn
Here's some action shots of Duane finishing up the top of the half cone:
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Since Duane isn't actually "in" any of those pictures, that's further proof that he works so fast that you can't get any action pictures of him."Put your creed in your deed." Emerson
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That's his hands and feet.copper p0rn
Grant and Duane-
Thanks for the pics. I was wondering - do you solder over the exposed rivets that hold down the ends of the short pieces? I know that this top section of the roof is under an overhang, but I was wondering if you felt comfortable leaving them exposed. Please understand that I'm asking because I don't have any experience doing what your doing, not because I'm second guessing. Thanks again for the pics. I will put copper on something one day...
do you solder over the exposed rivets
No. Typically we wouldn't show any rivets or nails, but this roof was a bit of a cunundrum. It's steep enough (and as you mentioned, under the upper cornice) that there won't be any water dwelling on the surface to leak thru the rivets. A flat roof would be a different story. copper p0rn
You got Sphere on the roof right now?If so he's gonna get wet in about 15-25 min's according to radar.You could warn him, or,... take the key and head for the truck!<I know, that's just mean> :-)pb
He ate lunch here and headed back with a package for the front bay about an hour ago. He probably got his tools out and got back up in the boom about the time it started sprinkling.copper p0rn
So is he dedicated to his work?
Or is he gonna head for the truck?pb
I imagine he's probably about half way home by now. I would be.copper p0rn
Well, just as soon as I posted he called saying he was packing it up. It's coming down pretty hard right now.copper p0rn
Yeah, it poured real good here. And is headed straight for ya'll,pb
seeyou and Sphere,Thanks for the show and tell! Way cool.How do you make the coplaner bend in the fascia that covers the soffit?KK
How do you make the coplaner bend in the fascia that covers the soffit?
Sheet metal shrinker. The top of the "frieze" piece is stretched.copper p0rn
Way cool.
Definitely. This stuff is over my head, but fascinating to watch. Love to see a craftsman in action!View Image bakersfieldremodel.com
OK - here's where Duane got by time to quit this afternoon-
The 1st "cone" finished except for gutter-
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The front bow roof in progress:
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and a shot of both:
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You still doing the Pikeville journey in the morning? We left a day early. I had to do some lighting surveys so we got them out of the way tonight.
Holler in the morning. We are right by the road going into town.
I was wrong - it's Prestonburg where I'm going.copper p0rn
Oops. I'm about 20 or 30 miles past where your going.
looks good!
did you do the rest of the roof as well?
did you do the rest of the roof as well?
No. I'm not sure who did. They're not showing up to finish so we can carry on either. There's still probably 10-15 sq to install around the dormers we have to do copper on.copper p0rn
Grant ,
Do you make the curved gutters or sub it to someone like Classic ?
I just ordered from them for the first time - straight runs only .
Walter
Looking really good ! Is Duane persona non grata again here ? Haven't seen him posting lately
Do you make the curved gutters or sub it to someone like Classic ?
I didn't know Classic had curving capabilities.
I'm doing the gutters, but they'll be segmented.
Is Duane persona non grata again here ?
ayuh.copper p0rn
Hey , you're talking Mainah theyah !!
Here's the front bow roof finished, ready to flash:
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Probably be it for a few days. Duane's taking off Fri and Mon and it's gonna rain all day tomorrow and Thursday.copper p0rn
Thanks for the update .
He's off to lend his expertise to Jimmyjim is he not ???
ayuh. And to visit his mom.copper p0rn
Alright, back to live action. Got my van fixed, a new IPhone, and greuling back pain, but by gawd, we're on it like a duck on a june bug.
Getting the barrels ready for skin. First step is get rid of the temp dry in junk, and add drip edge. Then the valley segments.
Sorry about how dark it is, it was in the shade, and windy and downright less than optimal picture taking conditions. A flash would have washed out or reflected too much. I find that filming copper is as hard as installing it.
The first valley hunk is locked to the drip edge, far right.
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The next , I lay where it is happy, and scribe the edge of the overlap, for head lap and where the cleat will get riveted. I found a cool linoleum knife that lives in my bags now is a handy scribe, shingle trimmer, and tweaker.
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My home made prep tool ( a 1/2 thick x2" wide x 20" long bar of alum. that I cut a 1/8" wide x 5/8th" deep saw kerf in) makes the lock bends faster and easier than hand seamers. It's sized at 2" cuz my deepest hand benders with wide jaws can do that, and it is my straight edge for them free hand bends.
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I sawed it's groove off center, that way I can make tight or loose locks..I know you understand what I mean.
Rivets and a poker
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Pounded down locks , don't need solder cuz I have head lap and there is no back wash pressure, or icedamming issues. Once the sun hits what little copper shows, it melts right quick. I will solder the very top seams.
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O'course I had to tattoo my Spheramid Logo on my new blaze orange wonk-a-later. LOL
And now from the reatreating basket, on my way down to finally take a leak..LOL
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I think the elapsed time ran about an 2 plus hours, I know I ate my sammichs at 11:45...And I got there just before 0900.
Then went on to the farthest dormer with the shingles on the roof. Then ran out of copper, I mis-cued my commo with Grant and he didn't know I was running out of materials. My bad.
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You just can't see him because he's so skinny.
Looks pretty sharp.
Is the step flashing cut into the mortar?
Is the step flashing cut into the mortar?
Yup.copper p0rn
Thanks Grant ,
I could see from the prior pics it was going to be challenging to get that top placed .
Looking good !
My day was laying a couple sq.'s of rubber and tieing into slate and brick !
Walter
What kind of rig do you think they'll make to get over your roof... uuummm, butt rockets, ha.http://www.tvwsolar.com
We'll have a kid
Or maybe we'll rent one
He's got to be straight
We don't want a bent one
He'll drink his baby brew
From a big brass cup
Someday he may be president
If things loosen up
What kind of rig do you think they'll make to get over your roof... uuummm, butt rockets, ha.
Probably just nail some toeboards to it. copper p0rn
That is beautiful. Nice save at the top too. That had to be some pretty accurate bending. Did you do it on site or is Mr Sphere that good with his tape? Can you give us any idea what the installed cost of something like that would be? How much Brasso will it take to keep it polished?
Nice save at the top
Well, that's not what I intended to do when I first looked at it, but it'll be fine when Duane gets through. Thanks.
Did you do it on site or is Mr Sphere that good with his tape?
Duane made a template, but the thickness of the seams threw me off. I made the pieces in the shop from the template, but they were all a little wide, so Duane had to field bend one side on most if not all of them. On the second batch, I've cut the angles close, but only bent one side.
Can you give us any idea what the installed cost of something like that would be?
If ya gotta ask.............
There's been numerous design changes and change orders and there's lots more to this job and I'm not up to digging thru the proposal to separate this part out, but IIRC, between $5K and $6K.
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Looks fabulous!
Really impressive work , both the fabrication and the install.
Well, nice save and nice job even if it didn't go as intended. No one will know but us! Field bending for Sphere looks like lots of trips up and down. I'm really surprised at the price too, seems very, very reasonable for a custom job that's going to look great for many years.
See my post to Jim above. It's not as big as many are assumming and we weren't low bid.copper p0rn
OK, I'm impressed. Took me a while to find this...man that's real nice. I finally got my brake last weekend and made my 1st. dripedge. It's an old brake, but it worked! I'll start a new post here on breaktime with some pics soon.
Dustin, tried to email you thru here-no go.
Send me and email-I've got a question.
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I can't figure out how to update my email. I changed ISP's and can't change it.It's not too late, it's never too late.
Yikes, emailed you back but that was b/4 you explained your back problem. That is some nasty ####, you're too young for that. Best of luck.A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
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Sent a reply.The doctor said I was too young also, but any reason to lay around all day, works for me.
It's not too late, it's never too late.
Man that sucks. Maybe have em install a grease nipple, I think thats what I need to do too.
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That's a billion dollar idea right there.It's not too late, it's never too late.
Here is the parting shot first. I didn't get the last two pans on, I had a seam wad up and it took awhile to get it ironed out. Ya gave me fat lock and I didn't catch it till I had it gunched . That and the WIND went from bad to worse, I was afraid the pans would wrap up on the basket. I swear 45 mph was hit.
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Heres a view from the top point...
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By making a snip at the drip edge fold, I can fake the radius pretty good..esp since from the ground it really looks round.
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Then its just tidy up the female lock by bending it around the male and gunch the top over it to keep it all pretty.
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Should be able to have all but the finishers against the wall on by end of work tomorrow..then counter flash and gutter.
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but any reason to lay around all day, works for me
sorry but no welfare for you you've already held down a job so your sol
What if I had few kids real quick?It's not too late, it's never too late.
only works if your female and the kids have different dads !
can you pull that off? lol
hope you get all fixed up back pain sucks!
Looks great! How many pieces are in the fascia? How about expansion and contraction?
How many pieces are in the fascia?
3 - each is about 8 1/2 ft.
How about expansion and contraction?
Shouldn't be a problem. It's getting gutter which will cover half or more of the fascia.copper p0rn
Sounds good Duane. Hope you're feelin' better soon. Thanks for the pics here, looks really nice. Didn't know the fine could be that steep for not wearing a harness. Wow.
don't worry they can't fine you if your working on your own property.