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G,Day Blokes, Its a project that i have been looking at and seeing if there is a maket for such an item. Having 2 power tools in 1. No need to lug around a heavy 10″ drop saw and power saw in the back of a ute( pick up). Let me have it…..Give me your thoughts |
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sounds like "Shop-smith"...
it would wind up being 2 half-assed tools instead of one good one...
but that's just my initial reaction
I wouldnt call your standard Dewalt, Makita etc.. power saw half arsed?
I think what Mike is saying is ... if you try to make a tool that will do more than one function, you have to make compromises somewhere. The Shopsmith saw-lathe-drill press-etc is a good example ... it is sold as the only tool you need in your woodworking shop, but in rerality it doesn't do any one thing well enbough to justify the expense.
So what you're proposing is a somewhat-standard circular saw that can be used freehand nthe traditional way, then the chassis of a miter saw without a blade-motor asembly that the circ saw fastens to. Interesting concept, and probably not too hard to do. One problem would be the auto-retracting blade guard. Another problem would be blade size. Almost all free-hand circ saws here are 7-1/4", which would be too small for a the miter saw. You mentioned a 9" blade ... that would be a bit large for the free-hand saw.
I'm sorry, I thought you wanted it done the right way.
mate you have the idea..
We have standard 7 1/4' & 9 1/4" saws down here DeWalt DW389-XE & Makita 5901B
The retracting guard would a) be attached to a lever arm so as it is pushed down it would retract or b) the chassis would be a sliding compound mitre saw so as it reached the timber it would safely retract.
The only problem i see is the lead would have to run back over the unit.
Keep the comments coming fella's
Edited 6/6/2005 8:00 am ET by aussie
Edited 6/6/2005 8:05 am ET by aussie
I assume the 'lead' is the power cord? Just put a clip on top of the handle to hold it out of the way. And some arm attached to the miter chassis that clipped to a stud on the side of the blade guard would probably push it out of the way automatically.
I think you would need to remove the sole plate cuz it would get in the way when mitering.
I don't have one, but oine of the criticisms I have heard with about the shopsmith, and that might apply here, is that having multiple tools allows you to set up for a certain cut, whereas if the shopsmith is set as a table saw and you need to drill just one or two holes with the drill press, you have to reconfigure which takes time, and you lose the set up dimensions.
I'm sorry, I thought you wanted it done the right way.
Which way do your blades turn?.........Is it different in the southern hemi?....;-)...
No, seriously...I had an Aussie and a Kiwi working for me in Whistler, great guys, but they spoke fluent metric!....so.....
I paired them together ,one measuring, one cutting. It worked great; us Canajuns couldn't unnerstand their numbers, but everything fit in the end.
Cheers,and G'day, eh!"If 'tis to be,'twil be done by me."
Well, yes we do use metric as it is more accurate and imperial is too english(poms) for us.
We use to have it in the fifties but realized it at too much room for error. Unfortunately we do have to put up with both until the old blokes die off.
Great to hear from someone that hires good tradesmen.
Ed,
Yes the lead (pronouced Leed) not the metallic stuff is the power cord, yes your right about the base plate but only for compounding cuts not mitre.
I have had a look at the Shopsmith and still its a verion of our Triton work bench. Imagine the Dewalt 12" sliding compound mitre saw with no motor-blade set up, and on the arm is an attachment to place your 9 1/4" power saw.
cheers for the comments.
http://www.hegner.co.uk/pages/UNIcut/UNIcut.jpg
it's rubbish!!!
Please don't mistake this for an "All in One" drill, jigsaw, planer etc table saw. Just a Drop saw chassis with no blade motor assembly.
I would only attach 9 1/4" power saws. For example
http://www.makita.com.au/catalogue/dsptool.php?tmodel=5901B
I would be a bummer if you guys didn't have these saws.
http://www.makita.com.au/catalogue/dsptool.php?tmodel=5901B
I would be a bummer if you guys didn't have these saws.
Nice toy.
How much? $$$$
YCF
They go for around $350 to $550 aussie dollars
Aussie,
One problem I can see is accuracy. A saw that gets used for general skilly type work cops a fair bit of abuse. I wonder how well it would function as a mitresaw after a while.
Kinda like some I know who spend plenty on a big new Makita compound mitre saw and then use it for cutting framing.
After 12 months of having beams, lintels and 4 X 2 dropped on it and getting bumped and bashed, someone actually acts surprised when it wont cut an accurate 45 for architraves. Whoda thought? :-)
Everything, 100% of it, depends on how you look at it.
DW
Thats the main cause for any tool failure is Bad treatment.
a good tradesman doesn't blame his tools.
You brought up another selling point for this saw. Why pay good bucks on something thats going to go through the rough.
By using only your power saw for that type of cutting (beams, lintels & posts) anyway you are going to save money by using this system.
I knew a cast stone installer, who bought the Hitachi CF 10 (my favorite) hacked out the guard, installed a diamond blade and commenced to cutting cast concrete. It didn't last as long for him as it would only cutting moldings and trim boards either. But he didn't expect it to. It made his life easier, work neater, and quicker. All this put money in this pocket. So when it stopped working he bought another and did the same over again.
Edited 6/19/2005 8:13 am ET by quicksilver
Also have a look our DeWalt Site
http://www.dewalt.com.au and go to products then saws, you'll find the 9 1/4" there.
You dont have those??
They are standard here. I managed to get my hands on a Skil worm with 7 1/4 blade and I get funny looks when I use it.
A 7 1/4 sidewinder is considered useful for lightweight work only.
Everything, 100% of it, depends on how you look at it.
DW
Bloody sheep Shagger.
How are you mate
Sheep shagger............Nah, its the Ockers that have long gummies and velcro gloves ya know. ;-)
I be doing all right, busy as hell, but OK. Nice to see a few diggers around.
Everything, 100% of it, depends on how you look at it.
DW
G,Day Mate
Sorry I haven't got back to you, just got in from work.
How is the weather - raining?
I have done some work in NZ a couple of years ago and most of it was treated Pine. For the obvious. They don't make houses that good over there, mainly fibro boxes. Theres only a hand full of good home builders.
They are starting to get into the polystyrene formwork homes.
There is still plenty of work here, a lot of kiwi's by the plane full.
Edited 6/7/2005 2:19 am ET by aussie
Edited 6/7/2005 2:21 am ET by aussie
Just started raining an hour ago ( 11 pm ). Today was cold, I doubt if it got past 5 deg. all day. By 2 pm my hands were going numb and I had to put the 4th layer back on.
We got a large dirty patch headed up, snow, rain, the whole works. Gonna be interesting.
Houses. The polystryrene block fad seems to be dying out ( thankfully ). Plus the godamnawful phase of using plastered polystyrene sheet seems to be gasping its last too.
The leaky homes debarcle has caught up with both. Been a big move to linear/weatherboard look- alike Hardies in the last few years. Not a bad product.
We still have our hacks and ratbags like everyone.
I got work coming out my ears. Just got a large extension job and looked at another bathroom refit tonight. Told them 5 to 6k ballpark and a 5 month wait. They didnt blink and said they could wait that long.............to think theres only one of me.
The last few weeks I start running as soon as my feet hit the deck. Brekkie is a stop at a bakery that does good coffee and it gets eaten on the drive to the job. Lunch if I get it is the same.
What ya get for having 3 jobs on the go at once I spose.
Good job ya gots all those Kiwis over there. Someone gotta build the good houses :-)
Everything, 100% of it, depends on how you look at it.
DW
I did most of the work in Tauranga,
I visited last xmas and they just built a mega mitre 10. Still tools are very exspensive over there. wait till bunnings take over place makers
By the sound of it you must be down south
Yup, bout 45 minutes north of Christchurch.
Tauranga.........gets AWFUL hot there in summer. I hate humidity with a passion
What part of Oz you in?
Tools may be pricey, but its all we know. I only ever buy good stuff that lasts for years so I never get into this constant replacement thing. Plus if I want a new gizmo I dont have ( looking seriously at a decent weight breaker, concrete drill and a Fein multi tool, then a compressor, generator, air tools............haahaahaa ) then a job pays for it.
We got a bunnings here, right across the road from a monster placemakers store. Doesnt seem to have hurt them any.
I have never been into bunnings and dont plan to. All the junk mail they send out is full of ultra cheap chinese crap. Not my thing.
12.30 am here, whats the time there?
Everything, 100% of it, depends on how you look at it.
DW
10.30pm
Im in Brisbane so the humidity is twice as bad. temps at the moment are around 25C down to 15C
Check out the link to Glenfords earlier, our exchange rate is almost the same.
I will check out that site.
I hadnt thought of buying tools from Oz for a long time. Thanks for the reminder.
I dont know how anyone works in high heat and humidity. We had a very unusual spell of humid weather last summer. By the end of it I was getting REALLY pizzed off.
I can handle the normal dry sear we get, even the hot shreiking nor'wester, but put me in humid and I go nuts. I will take cold any day.
Everything, 100% of it, depends on how you look at it.
DW
Crikey Thats why theres alot of work to be done here mate.
We stop, go to the local and re hydrate
I cant remember the last time I went to a pub. If I had more than 1 beer now I would be asleep inside half an hour. LOL
No tolerance any more. Besides, by the time I get finished for the day, eat, then price up all the work its awful late.
Gonna head off to bed, got a lot of miles to do tomorrow.
nice talking to you.
Everything, 100% of it, depends on how you look at it.
DW
Why a compressor & generator. Start using paslode framers and finishing guns. alot faster, go multi level, no worries about hoses.
I priced a couple of huge fence jobs last year, only power would be generator stuff.
I thought for the amount paid to hire one for a lengthy spell I might as well buy one, then I could use it for the workshop as well.
As for the compressor........air tools are cheaper, lighter and last longer. I dont like paslode stuff much. Good idea but they tend to be tempermental unless maintained really well. Plus the damn things have a habit of deciding to run outa gas or battery while up on a roof.
My favourite method is a hammer. Puts in proper 4" nails and doesnt run out of juice when you need it. Much lighter to cart round as well.
Everything, 100% of it, depends on how you look at it.
DW
Hey Aussie Good day. It sound like if you're looking for a tool to take into the field a Festool plunge cut circ saw might help. I have one I use it for trim only but it I'm sure is a lot tougher than I give it credit. It was expensive so I've been and probably will continue to baby it. Problem is that it is not recomended for cutting mouldings, only flat stock. But i wonder with a little modification to the rail if that couldn't be solved. One of my best friends moved to Brisbane about ten years ago. So if you see a yank painter named Joey Majane on one of you jobs tell him Ryan from Washington DC says Hi.
quicksilver
that'd be Joseph Howard Majane at 24 Rakumba Place Mountain Creek.
( and he's a licenced painter too 1035211)
regards
Markhttp://www.quittintime.com
Exactly. When you see him send him to this sight. Tell him Cortney and I (Ryan) bought a house in the city. I'm trying to get his email. I dropped him off at Dulles Intnational when he left. He was and I'm sure still is one wild dude. My email [email protected]. Thanks man 'er mate you really brightened my day
Yeh Mate I'll keep me eyes peeled.
There's alot of painters around but not many yank ones so it should'nt be hard.
Sounds like Mark knows the bloke.
I sure do appreciate that. Small world, good friend and fine painter he is.
We have 8 14" circular saws. Hitachi-Bosch-Dewalt and Makita.
I like the Makita on the link. But no brake ? Oh well.
what about the Triton saws?
See you later.
YCF dino
Triton foundation wants too much commission and up front money.
Dat,s an absolutly SMASHIN i-dea ya got there, bloke. Why us yanks ah go-win BONKAHS.
aY, ice me up a few mo fosters an I'll have a lash at- it, MATE.
Crikey Mate,
We drink xxxx or VB down here, we only sell fosters to you blokes because no one drinks it here.
XXXX OR VB???
So zat's why you blokes drive on the wrong side a da road.
Makes life alot more interesting
Earlier some of you wanted to know how much our tools are down here. I buy most of my tools from Glenfords which stock most of the world brands. Our exchange rate at the moment is about 75c US to our $1AU
Happy browsing
http://www.glenfords.com.au/catalogue/catalogueP9.htm
This link goes to page 9 of the catalogue. have a look at the others while your there.
Cheers
Cheers
Aussie,
What's your line voltage down there?
In N America, it's 110V and so the more powerful tools get to be really heavy.
Ron
Our Line voltage is 240 V
More power saws for the yanks.
http://www.hitachi-powertools.com.au/tools/Saws-menu.htm
Let me know if i'm on the right track with the idea.
Let me know of any other problems i might encounter
This is what I call the Satellite Saw System.
A portable,extendable. and complete woodworking system.
The Ez Smart on a special table with a special track and a special guide control Unit. All portable power tools can be utilized on and off the SSS.
The guide control unit looks like the drop saw, but instead moving ilike the radial arm saw, moves up and down (for auto thickness adjustment) and rotates for miter cuts. The Ez smart connects to the guide control unit (tool free) and is like having another guy on the other side of the special smart table who don't make any mistakes..
I think your idea is good.
YCF Dino
Edited 6/6/2005 8:22 pm ET by YCFriend
Do you know how much this unit goes for and the portability to carry around and set up
Just a diversion from the topic.
I was reading the current issue of FHB and there was a story on shingles. Now why on this rotating rock would you place layers of material that by the looks would flap in the wind, take a long time to install a complete new roof and only last 10yrs before things go wrong?
Do you have corrugated iron sheeting over there?
I understand you are looking after character of an area or heritage theme. Its just wrong.
Fill me in
That was the patemt application for the SSS.
Estimated street price less than $750.00 Table, guides and control unit.
Total weight 75 LBS (25 lbs for each component) But each component can be uses separetly.
The ez smart is part of the SSS.
G'day aussie.
Edited 6/7/2005 8:36 am ET by YCFriend
Aw c'mon. How can we justify bigger trucks and trailers if you make tools more compact. We Americans enjoy our excesses. We'll build twenty thousand dollar garages to store ten thousand dollars worth of junk we never use. (including an old ShopSmith) We'll also work extra time just to pay for all that stuff.
But you never know... there are tools that I thought were impractical when first introduced that now are widely used. Take the skepticism constructivley and eliminate the anticipated problems. Find someone who likes to gamble and let them put up the cash.
Good luck!
Cheers mate,
Thats what im after is the skepticism. It would help me build the right product for the market.
I like your thinking about the trucks though.
Not exactly what you're describing but a great product to accomplish the end result (I think) you're looking for...
http://www.eurekazone.com
PaulB
"G'day blokes"?
arewebunngunontheocker?
As a "GC" and a sub I don't see the advantage. I have both my 9 1/4 and my mitresaw out at any given time when framing. To have to swap tools around would not be practical for me. I think I bought my Hitachi 9 1/4 ( you can stick the Makita where the sun don't shine) for under $300. That is a small price to pay for the convenience.
regards
Mark ( Toowoomba)
http://www.quittintime.com
Its good to get your comments, sorry to hear you had a bad experience with a Makita. The Hitachi C9 is a good saw but lacks watts.
Being a GC in toowoomba you would come across your fair share of hardwood. the Hitachi will burn out the bushes faster than the Makita.
Go see the blokes on Taylor st, they service alot of saws, also they are having a stocktake sale on all demo's and are going cheap.
(Sigh)
have you taken a look at your 9 1/4? Now take a look at your mitresaw and tell me what the first hurdle to overcome is?
Notice which way the the blade turns on each? Notice where the motor housing is on each? For a start you're going to need a left handed 9 1/4 to get it to sit like a mitre saw.
Of course if you were in the States you may come across such an animal, for whilst the American likes to ask strange questions like ,
"Does the water swirl clockwise or anti clockwise in your dunnys downunder?" ( 'cept they don't say dunnys)
( thus displaying their total ignorance of how the aussie toilets function , ours not having the full bowl of water that gets in the way of the wedding tackle),
they do not find it strange to offer left handed power saws and indeed it would not surprise me to discover they have left handed screwdrivers as well.
Oh well..back to the drawing board.
( Paslodes for framing and finishing?? Let me see. A box of framers including gas runs at $88 a ctn here 3,000 nails. A box of 3,000 Sencos cost me $27. Average frame 6,000 nails plus the advantage of a faster fire rate and superior punch with air is a no brainer answer. I own a gas paslode. It mostly sits in it's box and is dragged out occassionaly for truss work. )
Are you a chippy or a Glenfords employee? If you are the latter, get 'em to get Dinos Guides and sell 'em. Best thing since sliced bread. If you want to see one I have one.
http://www.quittintime.com
Edited 6/20/2005 8:18 am ET by MARKCADIOLI
Last time i looked, the blade spins in the same direction.
Yeh mate a chippy, Im mainly in construction not domestic so time is not money. And boy you are paying too much for your nails. Paslode 3000 pack with gas is $60.
And i do not have to drag a compressor up 12 floors. or play around with hoses.
I agree if you are one of those prefab slap up guys yes a compressor feed gun would be suitable.
yes the blade spins in the same direction , but the housing will be on the LEFT not he RIGHT. The reason the housing is on the right on Mitresaws is because most people are right handed. That lets you look at your cut. You won't be able to do that if you are right handed and have a motor housing on the left ( as you would if you want to stick a power saw onto a mitresaw setup )
So you are a commercial chippy. Yes paslodes have their place in multi storey construction. But lets face it. There is a lot less carpentry involved.
Prefab?? No way. We stick frame everything. Even at $60 and that is a very good price, it still double the cost, plus as I said, less punch, less speed. Yes they are a convenience, and when you are on hourly rate such as yourself, who gives a rats.http://www.quittintime.com