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   Sphere | Mar 15, 2009 07:54pm | #1

   define...instant?  LOL

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   KenHill3 | Mar 15, 2009 08:04pm | #2

   Andybuildz picked up some of the Fastcap stuff. I'm curious to know more about this stuff. Sounds kinda like crazyglue (cyanoacrylate) for woodworking.

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   Sphere | Mar 15, 2009 08:37pm | #3

   I've used gallons of 3m pronto..it's available in 3 viscosities ( at least) the accelorater can and will stain sometimes.

   In homebuilding, I've not seen the need for it..but can see the want, just not enough to invest.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

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   Snort | Mar 15, 2009 09:13pm | #4

   Haven't used titebond... but I've used a lot of Loctite... for everything from quick jigs to sticking pieces of door veneers back on. Couldn't trim a house without using it somewhere.When I go up to Woodworker's Supply, I get the Moser stuff... their tips stay clear, some how.http://www.tvwsolar.com

   I went down to the lobby

   To make a small call out.

   A pretty dancing girl was there,

   And she began to shout,

   "Go on back to see the gypsy.

   He can move you from the rear,

   Drive you from your fear,

   Bring you through the mirror.

   He did it in Las Vegas,

   And he can do it here."

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   Shoemaker1 | Mar 15, 2009 09:14pm | #5

   My big wonder is the longevity. About 12 years ago they introduced it to the shoe repair trade. sometimes it worked others not. The accelerant is quite toxic and they recommended a vent hood. Have they made the acclerants less toxic?

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   Snort | Mar 15, 2009 09:25pm | #6

   The better the accelerant, the more it knocks you out<G>I don't use the accelerant too much anymore. It makes the glue dry with bubbles, won't sand out of the grain, and is fricken hard.If I'm doing something that's not painted, I sand the wet glue, blends fine sawdust in and finishes well... but sanding wet makes for even better fumes.http://www.tvwsolar.com

   I went down to the lobby

   To make a small call out.

   A pretty dancing girl was there,

   And she began to shout,

   "Go on back to see the gypsy.

   He can move you from the rear,

   Drive you from your fear,

   Bring you through the mirror.

   He did it in Las Vegas,

   And he can do it here."

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   Sphere | Mar 15, 2009 09:34pm | #8

   That buzz is Cyanide.

   Now I know yer an old hippee and stuff, so..bear that in mind..do , wait..CAN you afford anymore braincells?

   If it makes your eyes water, imagine what it does to the brain cells.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

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   Snort | Mar 15, 2009 09:38pm | #9

   I only let the republicans use it.http://www.tvwsolar.com

   I went down to the lobby

   To make a small call out.

   A pretty dancing girl was there,

   And she began to shout,

   "Go on back to see the gypsy.

   He can move you from the rear,

   Drive you from your fear,

   Bring you through the mirror.

   He did it in Las Vegas,

   And he can do it here."

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   Sphere | Mar 15, 2009 09:41pm | #11

   LMOA...yeah.

   I used to sniff glue, but I had  hard time getting the tube outta my nose..LOLSpheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

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   Sphere | Mar 15, 2009 09:29pm | #7

   Plain water will kick it. I had a serious gash on my wrist, bleeding to death type gash ( copper chimney support box edge got me good) I used CA glue and windex ( all I could find in a hurry and spritz bottle) to get it kicked.

   CA is similar to poly glue in that respect, it needs some h20 to activate the reaction, winter and low humidity or air conditioned shop will slow the set up.

   In the guitar shop, I'd use alcohol on the bindings and wood, it evaps and h20 then will condense and help the glue kick..cuz the kicker will stain the wood.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

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   CJM | Mar 17, 2009 10:36pm | #28

   " I had a serious gash on my wrist..."cyanoacrylate is in Dermabond, used to close and protect wounds without stitches.
   http://www.dermabond.com/I use it in the OR. Before Dermabond was sold, we bought superglue by the box
   at HomeDepot and used it in surgery. Use it on cuts or gashes in place of a bandaid. Holds the skin together better
   and is a shield against water and microbes. Should be part of all first aid kits.

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   Sphere | Mar 17, 2009 11:02pm | #29

   Yup..I learned it from " nam stitches'' way before current ER use.

   Blood has enough solids to cure.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

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   andybuildz | Mar 15, 2009 09:38pm | #10

   I  glued up two doors worth of casings the other day using my new 2p-10 glue from Fastcap that I got cheaper from Amazon. Came with FOUR bottles of different viscosities of glue and the activator and cleaner and some tips and a nice plastic case. Seems like a nice value and it came quick. http://www.amazon.com/Fastcap-2-P10KIT-2-P10-Adhesive-Kit/dp/B00008US7G/ref=pd_sim_hi_3 The picture shows 3 bottles but that supplier assured me I'd get 4-2oz bottles which I did.

   Anyway...I'm totally sold. Far from expensive when you figure what it does and how little you really need. You can also slow down the drying process by using the different viscosities (I haven't tried them all yet) or not using the activator....I think.

   I Googled poly glues and there's several companies that sell the same "kit"/glue for cheaper...but not much...I decieded to go with the 2p10 b/c of all the rave reviews in Amazon and over at JLC and other suppliers sites that have reviews of Fastcaps 2p10 product.

   I'm sure I'll be buying this stuff in bigger bottles from now on.

    

    

    

    

    

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   Sphere | Mar 15, 2009 09:50pm | #12

   I gotta study up on that stuff..I think its a cross over from CA and polyurethane...or not, mavbe just the same as my 3M pronto.

   Be aware that Karl here on BT had an issue on granite counter w/staining. Also if you use the kicker , there is an exothermic reaction...IOW it gets hot, and can make some plastics behave unruly.

   It also repels stain and will leave sealed grain that won't look right.

   Good stuff if used right.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

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   andybuildz | Mar 15, 2009 10:03pm | #14

   Here's a video of it FWTW  http://fastcap.com/videos.aspx?id=4104

    

    

    

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   mikerooney | Mar 16, 2009 01:14am | #15

   I've been usin' 2p10 for 'bout 5-6 years since I heard of it at JLC.
   Had real good luck with it exceedin' the shelf life (YMMV).One thing - it won't stick to itself, so, if you mess up a joint, you need to shave off the old glue (I do this on the saw) then re-glue.I mostly use it for cabinet crown miters. For stuff like returns on aprons I just use yellow glue.

   Hard work is damn near as overrated as monogamy.
   - Huey Long

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   Svenny | Mar 16, 2009 02:18am | #17

   I watched the video-looks like great stuff, but I wonder how it works on snow guards? =;-)John Svenson, builder,  remodeler,  NE Ohio

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   Snort | Mar 16, 2009 02:27am | #18

   great... if you're moving to Florida<G>http://www.tvwsolar.com

   I went down to the lobby

   To make a small call out.

   A pretty dancing girl was there,

   And she began to shout,

   "Go on back to see the gypsy.

   He can move you from the rear,

   Drive you from your fear,

   Bring you through the mirror.

   He did it in Las Vegas,

   And he can do it here."

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   Sphere | Mar 15, 2009 09:58pm | #13

   Oh...re: bigger bottles...check the shelf life once opened, unless you store in a "cool, dry place away from light" it may not last.

   Believe it or not, light and MICRO WAVES can affect the liquid.

   RF glues are what is used in mass production, these traits are leaching into our realm now..soon you can have a hand held laser and make a bond that is like a weld.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

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   alias | Mar 16, 2009 01:41am | #16

   "I'm sure I'll be buying this stuff in bigger bottles from now on."Long Island Laminates , Hauppauge , New York8 oz 42.00accelerator 12 oz 12.00

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   andybuildz | Mar 16, 2009 04:34am | #20

   Long Island Laminates , Hauppauge , New York

   8 oz 42.00

   Ain't that a bit expensive? Dynamite tools has it for ..$26 for 8 oz and Gary Katz's guy has the 10 oz for $28....is the stuff from LI Laminates something different?

   http://www.dynamitetoolco.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=FSC-2P-10THICK8OZ&click=123

    

    

    

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   alias | Mar 16, 2009 04:40am | #21

   i was going by memory andy i'll check again.

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   andybuildz | Mar 16, 2009 05:01am | #24

   Here's a nice lil article from Gary's site http://www.garymkatz.com/TrimTechniques/fast_act_glue.html

    

    

    

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   alias | Mar 16, 2009 05:17am | #25

   i have his books and his website in my bookmarks, all good stuff. as far as the island goes, i 'm not a fan any more it's over rated, congested, and have turned into the land of NO. It's a whisper away from queens, love the diversity of people , but there 's to many of them... lol...

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   andybuildz | Mar 16, 2009 07:23am | #26

   Well reading City Data Forum for Western North Carolina where Katrina and I were/are interested in going possibly they say the exact same thing as you are about being here....I think it's called EARTH...over populated. Has it's plusses and minuses I reckon...

    

    

    

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   alias | Mar 16, 2009 04:53am | #22

   check the receipt two months ago a bottle of thick 28.00 , a bottle of jel 36.00 and a can of activator 12.00. total with tax 85.00........ For the pennies you would be better with dynamite, for me and if i'm not mistaken time and gas .it would be prudent for long island laminates.

   Edited 3/15/2009 9:56 pm ET by alias

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   andybuildz | Mar 16, 2009 04:59am | #23

   I'm a..order it by mail kinda guy...let my fingers do the Googlin'...lol.

   too bad there's no more tool stores near by me any more...whats this stinkin' island comin' too? Wahhhhhhhhhhhh

    

    

    

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   unTreatedwood | Mar 17, 2009 08:37pm | #27

   Gary Katz demos this stuff on his videos.  I got the same red kit you did.  I don't do any trim work without it, now.  It's unbeatable on returns, and for any small piecework it's the best.  I did the same thing you did...I got the bigger bottles as replacements.  I got the big spray accelerant, as well.  Best thing I have ever seen in this space.

    
   At its most basic level, capitalism offers people the freedom to choose where they work and what they do … the dignity that comes with profiting from their talent and hard work. … The free-market system also provides the incentives that lead to prosperity -- the incentive to work, to innovate, to save and invest wisely, and to create jobs for others.” -President George W. Bush

   In other words, free-market capitalism is the best path to prosperity.

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   andybuildz | Mar 17, 2009 11:05pm | #30

   Well Bob...just finished loading my truck up with $1500 worth of casing...all my trim tools and my 2p-10....and oh yeh....a dozen of my Collins clamps.... 'cept what will I use my Collins clamps for ????? oh yeh...if I run out of 2p-10...lol

    

    

    

    

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   unTreatedwood | Mar 19, 2009 08:11pm | #31

   yeah, I take the Collins clamps, too. I keep thinking about the fast drying hot glue alternative, though. It seems like an interesting idea...but I dont hear much about it. I've been up on scaffolding holding 6"crown together, and I'd wished I had some hot glue or something. Now I have other means, but what do you think about the hot glue alternatives???
   At its most basic level, capitalism offers people the freedom to choose where they work and what they do … the dignity that comes with profiting from their talent and hard work. … The free-market system also provides the incentives that lead to prosperity -- the incentive to work, to innovate, to save and invest wisely, and to create jobs for others.” -President George W. Bush

   In other words, free-market capitalism is the best path to prosperity.

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   andybuildz | Mar 20, 2009 12:58am | #32

   Spent all day yesterday and today putting up some fancy 4 1/4" trim on windows and doors...about 400 LF..should be done tomorrow.

   Cased four sides of the windows and used no sills. Hot glue would have been a hassle. I nailed up my sides first...tacked the tops and bottoms....removed them...used Titebond glue...collins clamps and nailed everything home. Removed the clamps about an hour later or less. No fuss no muss. The glue set up pretty fast. I used the fast tack Titebond being I had so much trim to do. I have a dozen Collins clamps so by the time I was done with the third window the first one was plenty dry to remove my clamps.

   Its just good to have all kinda different glue for different occasions. Between the fast tack and Titebond 2  and 3 and the hot glue...I'm set for just about anything.

    

    

    

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   Shep | Mar 16, 2009 02:42am | #19

   I've used HotStuff brand CAs for years with my woodturning, and also for carpentry. The Titebond CAs are just another name for (I think) the same product 

   I did buy TiteBond recently, and they seem to work as well as the HotStuff brand. The trick is to buy a CA formulated for wood, over a general purpose CA.

    

   Actually, the real trick with CAs is learning how to NOT glue your finger to the wood. LOL

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   Jay20 | Mar 20, 2009 03:37am | #33

   I have used Model Airplane glue. 15 second set time. Great for small patch jobs.