I need some help to make sure this doesn’t happen again. I redid a bedroom for my daughter that had paneling on the walls and a smooth plaster ceiling. The house is from 1965 and everything else has rock lath except this one bedroom. I tore down the paneling ( there were furring strips under it as if they were originally going to plaster the walls), and put up blue board. The ceiling plaster is still in perfect shape so I left it up and had the plasterer( a semi-friend )just texture over it. He base coated and finish coated everything Sunday with a sand brush texture. He used weldbond in the mix for the ceiling. Last night at 3 in the morning the ceiling started falling and by morning the whole thing was on the floor. When he comes back to redo it he said we’ll use Euco Weld this time. Are there any other suggestions on making sure this doesn’t happen again?
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I'm far from a plaster expert, with a grain of salt-
Did you use the appropriate primer before basecoat?
Or did you use too much retarder to slow the curing down?
Both COULD cause that to happen.
The ceiling wasn't primed first. I suspected it was primed and never painted till I took off the ac diffuser and saw what may be the primer coat underneath. I was just up scraping what little was left up and under where the diffuser was was adhered very well. That may have been primer in that spot.
Shoulda rolled on the red "plaster weld" it dries fast and bonds the new to the old really well.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Yup
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Is Euco Weld the same? I can get that locally. Plaster weld may be harder to find. It's not a big room, should I maybe try to sand the paint off or score the ceiling someway? I have a belt and RO sander.
Might be, I don't know. Sanding is likely a bad idea.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Euco weld from the Euclid chemical company, is used for adhereing cementious material to like or dissimular substrate . I have used it to hold mortar to sheetmetal for laying indoor masonry progects, and to hold mortar to cured concrete, also fresh concrete to old cured flatwork.
I would do a test patch to see if it would perform to your individual need.
I better just try to find Plaster weld. In reality, should it stick to the ceiling with Plaster weld like it does on the blue board?
Published March 09, 2009 11:29 pm - The heavy and dusty chunks of plaster that fell and killed 2-year-old Markus Copeland are to blame for the tragedy, said Powell Caesar, the Cuyahoga County Coroner’s Office’s director of public affairs.Chunks of plaster killed 2-year-oldBy MARGIE TRAX PAGE - Staff Writer - [email protected] Star Beacon
The heavy and dusty chunks of plaster that fell and killed 2-year-old Markus Copeland are to blame for the tragedy, said Powell Caesar, the Cuyahoga County Coroner’s Office’s director of public affairs.
Caesar said the coroner’s ruling of accidental death in Markus’ death on Feb. 14 was made using standard judgments and rules that guide cause-of-death rulings.
“There are only four ways in which a human can die, in coroner’s terms,” Caesar said.
Caesar said a natural death “is when the Lord takes us home,” a suicide is “death by your own hand,” homicide is “death at the hands of another” and accidental death “is when an individual does not do anything to facilitate his or her own death.”
“Accidental death can also involve — in coroner’s terms — when an accident happens to cause a death,” Caesar said. “Nobody planned or calculated for this child’s death, so all we can do as coroners is say this was an accidental death.”
Markus was playing in the living room of the house on Latimer Avenue in Ashtabula Township on Feb. 11 when an 8-foot by 12-foot chunk of plaster fell from the ceiling, father Mark Copeland said.
The house, owned by Dana Schulte, is one of 28 properties in Schulte’s name, a search of Ashtabula County Auditor’s Office records reveals.
Messages left Monday by the Star Beacon on Schulte’s office voice-mail were not returned.
Markus died Feb. 14 from an open-skull fracture, the Cuyahoga County coroner’s office ruled. The coroner’s report also lists Markus’ cause of death as “accidental.”
Markus’ family was renting the house and had just moved in when the tragedy happened, father Mark Copeland said.
Caesar said the accidental-death ruling was standard practice, as Markus’ death wasn’t suicide, homicide or of natural causes.
“Therefore, he died by accident,” Caesar said.
Ashtabula County Sheriff William Johnson and Ashtabula County Prosecutor Thomas Sartini said criminal charges in the case are not likely to be filed because of the coroner’s ruling that the toddler’s death was an accident.
“Because the coroner ruled the death accidental, meaning there was no intent to harm anyone, there is not likely to be a criminal investigation,” Johnson said. “Our investigations are triggered by the cause-of-death ruling.”
Johnson said the Sheriff’s Department may investigate some, or all, of the incident as part of civil court proceedings, when a lawsuit is filed by Markus’ family.
Copeland said he has retained a lawyer with the intent to file a civil lawsuit against Schulte.
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Copeland said he has retained a lawyer with the intent to file a civil lawsuit against Schulte.
“Things move slow,” Copeland said. “And it is hard to get through this as a family and think about the legal stuff.”
This is classic. Why not call the plaster manufacturer's tech service line and ask them how to prep the substrate? It's already fallen off once.....
Plaster Weld is a good idea. It's worth noting that you mentioned your friend used Weldbond in the ceiling mix. I Googled it and it seems to be some sort of glue.... maybe I missed it but it doesn't seem to advertise itself as an additive to a plaster mix. I bet the use of this product fouled up the adhesion, as counter-intuitive as that sounds. If you've prepared the substrate properly you shouldn't need to add a generic glue to the mix.