Replies

1. 
   BobKovacs | Sep 29, 2004 12:40pm | #1

   Yes- rip the wall down and install the flashings and weeps.  Otherwise, you'll be dealing with rot and water damage in a very short period of time.

   Ohh, and fire the "mason" you hired- he doesn't deserve the title if he built a wall with no paths for cavity drainage.  Have a real mason do the repair.

   Bob

2. 
   DaveRicheson | Sep 29, 2004 01:10pm | #2

   Hope you haven't paid the guy in full.

   Have him take it down, or bear the financial cost of the repair. What he did falls outside of the normal and acceptable methods/quality of work.

   Proper remediation is what Bob said. I would be looking at the contract closely and contacting an attorney.

   Dave

3. 
   seeyou | Sep 29, 2004 01:43pm | #3

   Watch closely when he does it. I've seen a bunch of fake weep holes. They scratch out a little mortar and stick a 1" piece of rope in. Good luck.

   I invented weeping.

4. 
   DANL | Sep 29, 2004 02:53pm | #4

   If you don't believe BobK, look at the old thread about leaks a woman is having in her four year old house where the mason didn't use weeps or flashing. Big time trouble! Name of thread was "Curoiously concerned about leaks" or something like that.

5. 
   CapnMac | Sep 29, 2004 05:56pm | #5

   Welcome to BT, first off.

   Hope the advice didn't sound too drastic.

   But "no flashing" is much much worse than "no weep holes."  Technically, a person could "repoint" weeps in.  But "no flashing" is a big giant danger signal about the bricker's (can't call a person doing that sort of work aeithe a mason or a bricklayer without denigrating both) competence. 

   What else did this guy not do?

   Brick ties at random spacing (or only roof tacked to the sheathing, or worse yet, just to the foam over the sheanthing)? 

   Lintel sizing & installation has to be questioned, too (ya, see, this is much betta--ya's just lay this here angle acrost the bricks, see; it doan need t' be 'tached t' nuttin . . . <scary shudder on rememory>)

   Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
1. 
   DaveRicheson | Sep 29, 2004 06:02pm | #6

   Jeez, I thought that guy only worked here in KY! (g)

1. 
   handhewn | Sep 29, 2004 07:33pm | #7

   Nope, he and his cousin must have worked on my house too. Also had Rube Goldberg here doing his Master's Thesis. Been undoing so much that I am almost done rebuilding the crap shack.

   CurlyHand Hewn Restorations Inc.

   Restoring the past for the future.

2. 
   CapnMac | Sep 29, 2004 08:06pm | #8

   Only in kentucky when he's not in georgia bricking sasha's house . . .Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)

1. 
   IMERC | Sep 29, 2004 10:08pm | #9

   I thought the same...

   that guy sure gets around 'cause he's does brick work here too...

   Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming

   WOW!!!   What a Ride!

1. 
   CapnMac | Sep 29, 2004 11:08pm | #10

   he's does brick work here too

   Does he start with a "rowlock" first course?  (It's the other thread on the same house.)  That ought to be a "signature" of some kind.Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)

2. 
   IMERC | Sep 30, 2004 12:23am | #11

   Or they all went to the same school.... same teacher...

   Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming

   WOW!!!   What a Ride!

3. 
   IMERC | Sep 30, 2004 03:13am | #12

   You made me go all the way over there and take a look....

   The 1st course deffinately rolock...

   Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming

   WOW!!!   What a Ride!

4. 
   Piffin | Oct 01, 2004 03:03am | #16

   Where's Newf with song lyrics?

   "Here

   WE

   go - Again!

   He's back in town

   He'll lay some

   bricks

   Again

   We'll take 'em down

   He'll break

   The Bank

   Again

   Owner will frown

   He'll break the

   Bank

   Again

   We'll tear him down" 

    

   Welcome to the Taunton University of Knowledge FHB Campus at Breaktime. where ... Excellence is its own reward!

6. 
   dIrishInMe | Sep 30, 2004 02:45pm | #13

   Travis:

   From reading the 3 or 4 different threads you posted on similar topics - exterior flashing details, I am starting to get the idea of what you are building:  A full ICF house, with a brick veneer foundation and vinyl siding around the main living areas of the house.  Further, I gather that the foundation waterproofing membrane actually extends up behind the brick veneer.  It is not clear to me if this brick veneer extends below grade or not, nor do I know if the house has a basement, or perhaps the veneered wall will have the bottom portion backfilled on one or both sides.

   My question to you is this:  Why didn't you just tell us what you were building from the get go?  Are you playing games with us?  Some people take time to type out well though out answers to peoples questions.  You ought to extend us the same minimal courtesy by posting well thought out quarries for information that include a few pertinent details.  Further, people can't give good answers, without base information.

   My guess is that you treat your subs/builder the same way, and that your best skill in the home building process is after the fact engineering... Glad I'm not on your job.
    

   Matt

   
   

   ---

   Edited 9/30/2004 7:51 am ET by DIRISHINME

1. 
   dtlayman | Oct 01, 2004 12:30am | #14

   This is the first time I used this forum, and I have learned from the experience.  Next time, I will  try to more thoroughly explain the exact construction in each message or I will write one message summarizing several issues.  I can now see that a better description would have helped  I didn't know the forums are as well read as they now seem.  I have appreciated everyone's attempt to assist us and I am sorry for any misconvenience.

   Your description, of our home, is very close.  Sorry for having to guess.  Let me just lay it out for you.  We have an ICF house that includes and ICF basement and 2 ICF construced stories above.   We actually used Polysteel for our ICF.  The basement is a walkout basement on one side and the balance of the basement is on average only about 5' below grade.  We have brick veneer which starts on the brick ledge just below the finish grade and extends to about 1' below the 1st floor level so we have 3-4' of brick on average around the foundation of the house.  This brick is capped with a brick rowlock.  Above the brick rowlock is vinyl siding.  I think I stated this yesterday in a message, but we have waterproofing membrane which extends from the footing up and over the brick ledge and up the wall behind the brick as stated earlier.

   Thanks for your help!

1. 
   seeyou | Oct 01, 2004 02:02am | #15

   This is off topic, but I'm curious. Of all the products available, what made you choose vinyl to side over ICFs?

   I invented vinyl.

2. 
   Piffin | Oct 01, 2004 03:10am | #17

   Now that I see that you have a unique structure, I would want more detailed drawings to know what flashings would be needed. for inly a 3-4' heright, with waterproofing behind, it is possible that all that is needed would be a cap flashing under the ugh ( sorry inventor CU) vinyl and over the brick. It would need to entirely cap the top of the brick rowlock and it might not be enough, depending... 

    

   Welcome to the Taunton University of Knowledge FHB Campus at Breaktime. where ... Excellence is its own reward!

1. 
   dIrishInMe | Oct 03, 2004 12:14am | #18

   Piffin:

   I got to somewhat the same point; I felt I needed a sectional drawing of the structure before I was really even willing to think about it any more; hence my earlier, somewhat rude, post. I think that my attitude stemmed from the fact that it took multiple threads and many posts for us here to coax the necessary info out of the guy.  Several of the regular guys above bashed the heck out of the brick layer, but unbeknownst to them, this was not conventional construction.  After hearing that the brick was on the foundation only, I wasn't really sure what to think, and was thinking that the existing waterproofing was very possibly adequate for the brick portion of the job.  Further, the poor brick layer probably didn't know exactly to make of it either, so just did it like a normal brick veneer masonry or concrete foundation.  Personally, in situations like this, I think it is up the builder and/or architect to specify details like the ones being discussed and probably these details should be shown on the house plans as well.  Matt

1. 
   Piffin | Oct 03, 2004 09:29pm | #19

   Right. Too much chance for bashing someone after the fact with 20/20 hindsight and a lack of details 

    

   Welcome to the Taunton University of Knowledge FHB Campus at Breaktime. where ... Excellence is its own reward!