Anyone know the legal maximum length you can have something stuck out past the closed 8ft bed of a pickup truck with a red flag on the end of it in Ohio?
be wanting to haul a 28ft Werner with no ladder racks and a jumbo fiberglass topper.
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Rent a flatbed trailer.
I'm serious tho'.
be looking like the Grapes of Wrath truck
Maybe I could tie a spare tire to the top too.
We all dance to a mysterious tune, intoned in the distance by an invisible piper. - Albert Einstein
Cut it in 3rds, then duct tape it back together when you get there. Oh wait, that might not be a good idea <G>
Great. Now I'll never get a serious answer.
be luka's fault for starting this.
40,000 Americans are injured by toilets each year.
I thought you were hauling those doors around to make scaffolding everywhere. Whaddya need a ladder for?
Blame LukaPAHS Designer/Builder- Bury it!
be an LA Woman in the afternoon.
40,000 Americans are injured by toilets each year.
Lot of the guys with pickups and long ladders and no racks point them forward instead of backwards.
Jam the foot of the ladder against the taigate and pad it over the top of the cab, Tied down good, of course.
Rise and run calculations required at low bridges.
I've a high topper on the bed.
Unless you mean putting the feet on the open tailgate and shooting it straight up.
Dang, would I hate to be heading under any overpasses then.
be wouldn't I be getting a new definition to the word 'homeboy' then.
40,000 Americans are injured by toilets each year.
Dang, would I hate to be heading under any overpasses then.
That's probably what the guy I saw driving the dump truck with the dump bed loose and standing up would have would have been thinking had he known before he hit the overpass. WHAM!
Several years ago I pulled into home depot beside a couple of guys who had just made their purchases and had loaded the pickup. There were several long 2x4's sticking out the back.One guy said we better put a red flag on the end of the 2x4 and he was wearing red jogging suit pants with a lot of paint on them. Both knees had holes and he grabbed one and ripped the pants leg from his trousers and taped it to the 2X4 (kind of like he had cut offs on one side) and they were on their way to the next job.Does this remind anyone of jeff foxworthy and "How do you know if you're a redneck"?
Rez,
Ohio Traffic Code: 4513.09. Red light or flag required.
(A) Whenever the load upon any vehicle extends to the rear four feet or more beyond the bed or body of such vehicle, there shall be displayed at the extreme rear end of the load, at the times specified in section 4513.03 of the Revised Code, a red light or lantern plainly visible from a distance of at least five hundred feet to the sides and rear. The red light or lantern required by this section is in addition to the red rear light required upon every vehicle. At any other time there shall be displayed at the extreme rear end of such load a red flag or cloth not less than sixteen inches square
Mark
Thanks MS,
Looks like I'm going to try it.
40,000 Americans are injured by toilets each year.
You're going to have the ladder stick 20 feet behind the truck?
better tie it down real good
bobl Volo, non valeo
Baloney detecter
One time I had to carry 20'-0 lengths of 4" pvc pipe. I tied one end to the mirror bracket and the back end to the pocket for eyebolt at the rear of the truck. Worked fine for a one time deal.If this is only occasionally, you could do the same thing. Otherwise get racks.
mike
Rez, pictures of this would be great. Not that anyone would make fun of you.
How about a 22' steel I beam, say 6" and tie the ladder to that. It would make it much more rigid and eliminate the flex issue.
A concret beam that is 18' long and a foot square would do the same thing of course.
But thinking about our conversations at the fest I believe you worked some with old buildings and barns. How about a 20' barn beam. Then tie the ladder to that. No flex there my man. Hope this helps! :-) DanT
Sling it under the truck. Strap it under the rear axle and under the front frame. Saw some concrete workers transporting 20' rebar that way once. Looked kinda odd.
so what's the problem?
center it with an even hang over front and back ... tie her down and get on with life.
U think ladder racks are gonna make yer truck 28ft long?
Jeff
Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
No clue what the laws are.
I once hauled a 26' section of gutter with about 16' of it sticking out the back of my van. Friend had one of those load supports that slip into the hitch receiver so it was supported about 6 or 8' out.
Luckily I only had to go about 2 miles.
Many moons ago, before I started in carpentry, I worked in a steel supply shop. We suppled beams and stanchions for construction. I was the utilty guy. We had a welder and torches on a small flatbed-about 18'. They had a saddle rigged off the front bumper and I could deliver beams much longer than 18'.
Anyways, all our trucks had a "special oversize permit" to carry 55' er's! They acutally tried to send me out one time with one of these verrrrrrrrrry long beams. By law, we weren't allowed to project anything more than 3' past the front of the truck so we first tried to load the beam legal. There was only one problem: the back of the beam was flopping and dragging on the ground! So, we compromised and shoved it forward about 10'. It wasn't pretty, but the back didn't drag unless I hit a bump too hard.
I only had to carry the "oversize load" that one time but I pretty regulary delivered 40' beams off that small stake truck.
Someday I'll tell you the stories about the 32' half cab stake truck that I drove for about a year there.
blue
Don't know about Ohio, around here you get 4' out of the bed before you're required to use a red flag etc.
I argued with a cop about it once, and we broke out a tape measuere cause I was hauling 12's with no flag, and I said I promise they ain't more then 4' out, it's impossible... ;) Only time I won a battle with a cop over a ticket.
You should be fine with the ladder, I often carry 24 or 32' ladders out of the back of my truck, I do use a flag though, and it's only short distances, no real highways or anything.
Just make sure you secure it well.
Is this an extension ladder??? 14' closed, this is easy. Trucks got to be 7' wide, shove that sucker sideways through the front window, overhang on either side is 42" so no flags needed. If the ladder is 28' long I can only recommend this method be used late at night. Oh and take pictures of the before and the aftermath.
U better be talking about a long 28ft pick and not a stinking little 28ft extension ladder ...
if yer worried about a measly little 28ft extension ladder ... start searching the want ads for a nice desk job! U kids think ladders and picks show up on the job sites magically?
Strap them on ... hit the gas ... and learn how to move them around the house upright and fully extended ...
Jeff
Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
Dang, you guys are rough.
It's a Werner fiberglass 28ft extension ladder and I just don't want to get pulled over by a StateBoy as it's an hour drive down the interstate.
be reaching for new heights
40,000 Americans are injured by toilets each year.
I'll bet if you called the State Police they would be happy to help with the rules.
The law only addresses marking, in some fashion, an object projecting more than 4 feet from the rear of the vehicle. No maximum listed.
Just to update...I did call the state boys and was told about the red flag rule, but learned that in Ohio you are legally permitted to carry anything up to the point that is forty, that's 40, foot back from the front bumper.
be a long piece of trim
'Nemo me impune lacesset'No one will provoke me with impunity
Holy smokes.... 40 feet back from the front of my truck is about 20 feet. How can that be safe??
I don't know. All I was interested in was the ladder legality and that data far exceeded my concern so I just thanked the officer and went on my way.
Good to know tho' in the event something comes up farther on down the line.
'Nemo me impune lacesset'No one will provoke me with impunity
Edited 12/11/2005 9:03 pm ET by razzman
Pretty sure we have a max of 7-8'. Same deal with over 4'. With your history, you ask a simple specific-to-Ohio question and expect straight answers?
Or....PAHS Designer/Builder- Bury it!
Well, ya got to admit that's a great pic.
be something
40,000 Americans are injured by toilets each year.
rez
I wish I had my camera with me today while driving around Austin.
Some of the locals have some very ingenious ways of hauling there ladders. I think a few of them were even legal!
Tie that badboy down and get to work, what Buck said.
Doug
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40,000 Americans are injured by toilets each year.
Rez, this is just too funny to let go.You have 14 feet of ladder. 16 feet at the most. You have a truck that is 18 feet long. Front bumper to rear bumper.You have no place flat on top of the truck ? Didn't you say you have a jumbo fibergalss topper ?They have this new invention called rope...Or if that isn't new enough for you, they have other inventions called bungee cords.Slap that bad boy down on top of the topper, tie it front and rear, and side to side. Or slap it up against the side of the truck and tie it to the mirror in front, and wherever, in back.Or, decide that you are going to want to carry this ladder again... and go to the hardware store and get really beefy shelf supports or something that you can bolt right to your topper, and make a ladder rack out of.
But it's amazing how we've reached the point where we will go to war over anything that bothers us. I think we all have the right to walk away from things that bother us. If it happens in our homes, then we have the right to send the offending person away. Anywhere else, we take a walk. But when did it become okay to think that we have the right to fight with people who annoy us? And when did a little consideration of others become so unfashionable that we can't do it? A little bit of cooperation and consideration would make all of this a whole lot easier. Rules at the job are always appropriate. But we have become so used to imposing rules on how others chose to live their lives that we are ready to beat them for failing to adhere to them. -SHG
jagwah is right. Tie it under the truck, under the axles. And stay on smooth roads. We've done this with 20-foot lengths of 4" pipe and rebar. It works.
But an overhead rack is better, so couldn't you just pad the top of your shell and tie it there?
Holy shid. Getting a lot of mileage out of that question.
I'm just going to put it in the bed sticking out 6 or 7 ft with a flag and let 'er rip.
Thanks guys, that's enough.
Cheers
be a cowboy
40,000 Americans are injured by toilets each year.
"I'm just going to put it in the bed sticking out 6 or 7 ft with a flag and let 'er rip."
ahhhh!!!!!....
On top of the topper!
what's so hard about that?
btw ... U can make one fine "topper rack" out of a coupla rips of Teak or Ipe or what ever all waether material U have on hand. Run the "racks" length-wise ....
cut 1 1/2 deep by 3 1/2 long slots ... can ya see where I'm going here? ....
so when the time comes ... just lay the precut 2x's .. me ... I'd pop for treated ...
across ... and strap her all down.
no load ... just looks like a nice teak accent strip.
Or ... like I've seen done ... do the same but with some 3/4 teak or such running "across" ... but screwed down permanent.
I can't believe we're talking about riding a lousy extension ladder around town ....
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
I can't believe we're talking about riding a lousy extension ladder around town ....
I'm trying not to.
The topper is high above the top of the cab and is slanted forward at two different angles.
It was an hour on the interstate I was troubled about.
be looking in the mirror the red lights were blinking the cops were after my hotrod lincoln.
40,000 Americans are injured by toilets each year.
"the cops were after my hotrod lincoln."
oh great!
now U've driven me to drinking ...
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
If he can do it..... so can you....
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and a wooden ladder no less.
Wonder what he used to connect the bracing to the ladder.
Do you think he predrilled for sinkers?
or did he dare use...gasp... piffin screws?
be looking like he did accomplish his task at risk only of his pride.
and well being
and sanity
40,000 Americans are injured by toilets each year.