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Old Fashioned Fish Scale Roof

gromittoo | Posted in General Discussion on September 1, 2005 03:58am

Ok I’m back.  Last year I posted some questions about alternate ways to lay out 3 tab shingles.  Well I am glad to say the project worked out well.

Well it is time to do the Garage roof.  I want to do something a little differant, that would be appropriate for a garage built in the 1930’s.  My area is full of old houses, and I have occaisionally seen what I call a “Fish Scale” roof.   I like the effect.

I have been told that these “Fish Scale” roofs were made out of Asbestos, simular to the Asbestos siding so popular in the 50’s and 60’s tract houses.  I have been told that, they are no longer made.

That is until I saw a garage near my work.   I talked to the homeowner, and the roof was done by a previous owner.  I also was able to inspect the roof up close.  His “fish scales” appear to be made out of asphalt rool roofing. I was able to reach up and touch them, these are defitly mineral roll of some sort.

I have no idea if these are available pre-cut, or if some poor fool cut them out of a 3 foot wide rool of mineral roof.

I have 4 rolls of 3 foot wide roll roof that I bought years ago when “Builder’s Square” went out of business.  I am tempted to be a “poor fool” and cut out some fish scales.   I would need a pattern.   If I can find the shingles pre-cut, I may just use the roll roof as underlayment. 

SO… Does anyone out there recognize these fish scale shingles?  I am just north of Philadelphia, and I am guessing the shingles in this picture are at least 10 years old. 

If I have to go the cutting route, does anyone know where I can get a pattern?  It seems that someone has “Google bombed” all of the web search engines, so that searching for “Fish scales” + “Roofing Shingles” only finds web sites selling Viagra.  Either that, of the disease called “shingles”.

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  1. gregb | Sep 01, 2005 04:04am | #1

    They're french lock shingles. Don't know who, if anyone makes them anymore. You can read about them here...http://www.oldhousejournal.com/magazine/2005/jul/amazing.shtml

    1. gromittoo | Sep 01, 2005 04:24am | #2

      Thanks a lot!   Having the proper name for them has got to help me search more effectivly.

      1. joeh | Sep 01, 2005 05:21am | #4

        Grommitt, I'm looking too.

        http://forums.taunton.com/tp-breaktime/messages?msg=56076.1

        Joe H

        1. gromittoo | Sep 01, 2005 06:13am | #5

          I like your's, but they must be asbestos.  I wouldn't want to have to deal with the problem of disposing of the old ones.   I am guessing the thing to do is nail plywood over them, to seal in the asbestos.

          Here is something I did with ordinary 3-tab shingles on my house, that looks just differant enough to please the eye:

          http://forums.taunton.com/tp-breaktime/messages?msg=47907.1

          These are standard 3-tab shingles, but with a non-standard layout.  What this layout does is get rid of the vertical lines that are made by the cutouts.  I have been spending this summer in our tiny pool, admiring how much better this pattern looks over my neiighbors houses with the standard 0-6-0-6 layout.  Took a bit longer, but I think it was worth it.

          I am considering cutting out the "french lock" shingles out of roll roofing for my garage.  The garge is only 4.5 square, but still a labor of love.  Need a pattern first.  With the pitch of your roof, and the fact that it probably is at least 10 squares, I wouldn't suggest cutting shingles by hand.  Roll roofing doesn't hold up that long either, especially on a cape with an insulated ceiling (not enough ventalation underneath).

          Good luck!  I'll post here if I come across anything.

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            aimless | Sep 01, 2005 08:16am | #6

            These have a slightly different shape, but they are locking shingles(click on style and design and then product showcase - the Tite-loc shingles)

            http://www.dreamroofs.com/en/03/p_03_01.aspx

            There's also Tamko:

            http://www.tamko.com/residential/shingles/tam/tam.htm

             

    2. joeh | Sep 01, 2005 05:11am | #3

      Great article, but no pictures, no links to manufactures offering anything available now:(

      Joe H

       

  2. donk123 | Sep 01, 2005 02:20pm | #7

    Gromittoo - I believe those interlocking shingles are not asbestos, but a mineral surface. I haven't seen them in any yard that I can remember for 20 years. The tamkos look like the closest thing. I doubt that you will cut anything close to that shape with an acceptable nailing tab that can hold down the bottom and both sides.

    When I hear "fish scale" shingles, I think about the ornamental wood shingles in different patterns. I worked on a job a bunch of years ago where the owner did something similar (to fish scale) in sheet transite, cutting every one by hand.

    You have your work "cut out" for you. <G>

    Don

  3. DragonLight | Dec 26, 2015 06:26pm | #9

    What did you end up doing/finding?

    Hello,

    I live across the river from Philadelphia in New Jersey & have this same shingle shape on the house I bought.   The roof is in dire need of repair,  & this shingle shape is impossible to find!

    However,  as it's also the perfect style shingle for my rather unique home, I'm trying to find a way to match them, just like you were.

    Did you find a template somewhere,  or did you end up making one from scratch?

    Thank you! !

    1. DanH | Dec 26, 2015 08:39am | #8

      I Googled "interlocking

      I Googled "interlocking asphalt shingles" and came up with this right away: http://www.sherriffgoslin.com/tabbed.php?section_url=140

      1. DragonLight | Dec 26, 2015 06:28pm | #10

        Those are close, but they don't sell them, unfortunately

        Thank you for responding!

        I had decided to use those shingles, but after 4 months of actively trying to obtain them/get a response from the company,  I discovered that the company requires that only they install them & won't sell the shingles by themselves (uninstalled).  And (of course), they only install in the Ohio area.

        Those are quite pretty, & definitely could have worked - if only they would sell them.

        The recent weird 'hurricane winds out of nowhere' damaged so many shingles that I'm getting significant water damage, so I was really, really hoping the OP had found a solution/template/hidden-away-supplier that I could use quickly, too.

        Rectangular shingle patches interspersed among these shingles would look terrible,  & I can't afford a full new roof for a few more years.

        And of course,  I love the look of these shingles. They add to the storybook uniqueness of my home.

        1. DanH | Dec 26, 2015 09:17pm | #11

          I found these: http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/2015-hot-sale-high-quality-mosaic_60240556170.html?spm=a2700.7724857.29.361.lVuirY

          But they are Chinese, appear to be lightweight, and don't appear to be interlocking.

          1. DragonLight | Dec 29, 2015 07:42am | #14

            Very Cool find

            Those look cool!  I wonder when they'll be adapted for the US?

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      MarkH | Dec 28, 2015 05:46pm | #12

      Maybe you can use these GAF shingles.

      http://www.lowes.com/pd_665018-240-0689106_0__?productId=50419220

      View Image

      GAF Sienna 25-sq ft Harbor Mist Laminated Architectural 3-Tab Roof Shingles

      1. DragonLight | Dec 29, 2015 07:40am | #13

        I can't believe I missed these in my searches!   They have an Aged Oak color that's a darker version of my current 'desert sand'  shingles,  but will look a whole lot better than the ripped/dilapidated/missing shingles do right now, & the shape of these will blend in nicely with the current shingles,  too!

        My local Lowe's even has them in stock - which is a first, as I usually have to special order items I need (a well-known hazard of buying an older home, I've learned).

        Thank you! Roof, & home, saved!!!!

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          MarkH | Dec 29, 2015 06:17pm | #15

          If you really want to thank me, show some pictures of them being installed.  I always loved that style shingles on the right house of course.

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