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   joeh | Jul 04, 2004 05:21am | #1

   Neighbors house, be careful.

   Especially if they have a dog.

   Joe H

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   Jamie_Buxton | Jul 04, 2004 05:38am | #2

   My local glass shop sells several varieties of modern glass manufactured to look like antique glass.   Try yours.  

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   hopper | Jul 04, 2004 05:46am | #3

   How much and what sizes do you need?  I have some old window sashes from a late 1800's  farmhouse.  They have the original "wavy" glass in them.  I'd just send you the whole sash and let you get the glass out with one of those Prazi Putty Chasers.  Unless you wanted to pay me something to do it.  I'm not sure what the glass is worth but I'd like to get a little something for it plus shipping.  Anyone know what it might be worth?  Anyone else interested in it?

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   joeh | Jul 04, 2004 05:48am | #4

   I heard, long ago in a land far away, that old glass doesn't like to be cut.

   Don't know if it's true or not though.

   Joe H

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   hopper | Jul 04, 2004 05:55am | #5

   Good question!   I've never tried to cut it.  Shouldn't be any problem getting it out of the sashes but it would probably have to be just the right size for what someone needed.

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   IMERC | Jul 04, 2004 06:22am | #7

   It doesn't... the sun tempers it...

   Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming....                                                                   WOW!!!   What a Ride!

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   joeh | Jul 04, 2004 06:47am | #8

   It's tempered me too..........

   Some days more than others.

   Joe H

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   WayneL5 | Jul 04, 2004 09:11pm | #13

   Sun doesn't temper glass.  For glass to be tempered there has to be produced in the piece a compressive stress on the surface, with a corresponding tensile stress in the core.

   There are four ways to do this.  Thermal tempering (the most common) involves heating the entire piece to a temperature near the softening point, then quickly cooling the surface.  Then the entire piece is brought down to room temperature.  Done just right, it produces a compressive stress in the surface about 1/4 the thickness of the glass deep.  Chemical tempering (rare and expensive) involves soaking a high-sodium glass in a bath of molten potassium salt.  Lamination (used on Corelle dinnerware) produces tempered ware by laminating a thin skin of glass onto a core of glass with a higher coefficient of thermal expansion.  Glazing of ceramics can produce a tempered like condition by using a glaze with a lower thermal expansion than the ceramic body.

   Exposure to sunlight does not produce any of the conditions necessary to produce tempering.

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   rreinagel1 | Jul 04, 2004 06:07am | #6

   Please let me know where you live and maybe we could work out a deal. Im sure I can cut it . I would prefer old glass rather than reproduction glass . Thanks for responding

   Thanks Russ Reinagel

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   VaTom | Jul 04, 2004 03:36pm | #9

   Im sure I can cut it .

   Not a problem to cut.  I've cut and installed dozens of panes.  Occasionally one will act weird. 

   Got lucky once and happened into a supply of old sashes.  Gone now.  Have yet to see reproduction glass that really looks like the old stuff.  With lots of old (expensive) houses here, the glass companies usually have a supply if they can find panes large enough to cut down to the usual sizes.  Getting to be more of a problem.

   You'd do well to stock up whenever you can.PAHS Designer/Builder- Bury it!

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   andybuildz | Jul 04, 2004 04:04pm | #10

   HAve you tried the Puzi Putty Chaser?

   I found it to be a waste of money.The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!

   http://CLIFFORDRENOVATIONS.COM

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   AlgonquinCollege | Jul 04, 2004 04:54pm | #11

   Similar comments re old glass, we outfitted new house spec'd for "old" glass, reproduction glass was far too expensive---we were told produced in Germany, so tore apart old sash acquired from window installers and salvage yards at around $5-10 per sash. 

   I've seen the putty chaser demonstrated at trade shows with amazing results but co-workers and self haven't yet found the touch.  Usually quite effective to cut through the tenons in the sash and pull the glass out from the old dry putty.

   Cutting results did vary as did thickness of reclaimed glass.  we lost about 20% of the panes we tried to cut.

   House looks great, Craftsman influenced, lots of glazing but clients apparently weren't aware that the architect had spec'd old glass so were concerned by the distorted views and odd scratches!!!! 

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   andybuildz | Jul 04, 2004 05:43pm | #12

   I found that my heat gun seriously softened the glazing pretty fast and then just scooped it out.The house is 325 yrs old.The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!

   http://CLIFFORDRENOVATIONS.COM

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   hopper | Jul 05, 2004 01:16am | #17

   I've never used it.  Don't really care too either, looks dicy.

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   andybuildz | Jul 05, 2004 02:55am | #18

   heat gun is the way to go....trust me.I've done about five trillion windows here so far.The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!

   http://CLIFFORDRENOVATIONS.COM

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   joeh | Jul 05, 2004 05:31am | #19

   Andy, how you doing with the paint on those windows.

   Did that gizmo you were thinking about last year do the trick, or is there something better out there?

   Joe H

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   andybuildz | Jul 05, 2004 02:33pm | #21

   Joe

   The heat gun works the best IMO and is the least expensive.

   Theyre mostly all scraped and we'll probably start paint and reglazing in Aug-Sept.The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!

   http://CLIFFORDRENOVATIONS.COM

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   Piffin | Jul 04, 2004 09:16pm | #14

   S. A. Bendheim Co., Inc

   212-226-6370

   two or three grades

   About three times the price of regular single strength in cut to size plus shipping, or you can buy a crate of full sheets at trade discount and break it your self.

    

    

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   DougU | Jul 04, 2004 11:26pm | #15

   russ

   I buy and restore a few antiques, I don't like to put new glass in an old piece of furniture, looks wrong. Others have touched on this,  the repro stuff does not look as good.

   I can usually find some old sashes around, getting the old glass out is the problem, just take your time, you will break some but you usually don't have to much money in them. I will sometimes just sacrifice the sash, going to throw it away anyhow. I've seen putty as hard as stone, no way is that prozzi thing going to work on it. I think Andy mentioned it, you can heat it but be careful the glass will break with to much heat.

   I have cut old glass numerous times, probably broke maybe 10%, not all that difficult.

   Doug

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   DavidxDoud | Jul 04, 2004 11:53pm | #16

   I've done a fair amount of refurbishing/salvaging sash and glass - the heat on the putty is good - I use a drywall knife to shield the glass from the heat while using the heat gun - - patience is also essential,  I warm a large length of the putty part-way,  all around the piece if it's small,  then go back an get an area hot and soft - - maybe 2-3-4 hitches before it's ready to scrape - takes time for the heat to sink all the way thru to the wood - -

   all old glass is not the same,  of course,  I periodically visit the architectural salvage place and keep an eye open for desirable sash..."there's enough for everyone"

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   4Lorn1 | Jul 05, 2004 07:19am | #20

   Working from what I learned in Old Colonial Williamsburg I Googled 'Bullseye window glass', it was called bullseye because it was made by hand spinning the glass into a disk that was cut to make panes. The iron rod left a round in the center and all the wavyness was centered on this point.

   http://www.traditional-building.com/brochure/members/sugarhollow.shtml

   From the site, the name and the use of the word artistry, I take it that this is the stuff but it is nothing like cheap. I suppose a house that demands this sort of thing wouldn't be inexpensive either so I guess things work out.

   I have no experience with this company or material but this might get you started. I will say that the genuine antique bullseye you can see in a few old buildings does add a nice touch and looks good. Out of place in a more modern design it sets off an older period design very well.

   Good luck.