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   Hiker | Oct 31, 2008 08:47pm | #1

   Use a good quality primer and tint the primer a dark grey.  Sherwin Williams recommends grey primers for the really bright colors.  The grey should cover the red with not much issue

   Bruce

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   DonCanDo | Oct 31, 2008 08:56pm | #3

   Sherwin Williams recommends grey primers for the really bright colors.

   I hadn't heard that.  Do you have experience with painting over their gray primer?

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   Hiker | Oct 31, 2008 09:06pm | #4

   If you look at there fan decks they have suggested primer colors particularly for robust colors.  It is usually a grey.  The grey helps keep reds from looking pink on the first coat and blues stay darker.  Give it a try-it works

    

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   DonCanDo | Oct 31, 2008 09:26pm | #7

   Thanks.  That's really useful information!  And something the OP should definitely consider.

   I actually have the Sherwin Williams fan deck, but I never noticed the primer recommendations.  That's probably because I mostly use Benjamin Moore.  No particular reason other than I started with it, I've been happy with it, I have a good relationship with my local dealer and my customers also know it as a good paint.

   In many ways, Sherwin Williams strikes me as a more "professional" paint and their stores are much better stocked with painting accessories than my local Benjamin Moore dealer.

   I didn't see any actual samples of their gray primers (P1 - P6) in the color chart, but that makes sense since I would probably use that to determine how to tint my non-Sherwin Williams primers... not exactly what it was intended for.

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   PlumberJoe | Oct 31, 2008 09:12pm | #5

   The gray primer is for use UNDER red paint.He wants to COVER RED.Check with the paint stores. Some primers are specific for HIDING. That is different from stain blockers.But Bullseye 1-2-3 and SW Preprite stain blocking primers so a fair jost of hiding.Valspar has one.http://www.valspar.com/products/product/High_Hiding_Primer.htmlBut get the primer tinted to you paint color.

   Edited 10/31/2008 2:13 pm ET by PlumberJoe

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   Hiker | Oct 31, 2008 09:19pm | #6

   I understand what he is trying to do.  If he primes it white, the base of his wall will be pink.  The new orange will be going over a pink wall.  If he primes it grey, the red will be neutralized and the orange will be quite robust with no pink or white tones to it.  If he was going to paint it white or off white, a white primer would be very appropriate, however he is going dark so a dark primer would work better.

   The products you mentioned are great, but the stain blocking does not mitigate color bleed through. 

   Edited 10/31/2008 2:20 pm by Hiker

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   Karl27 | Nov 01, 2008 12:02am | #8

   Thanks all for the good info. I normally use Porter and the guy at the store recommended their Blank-it primer tinted to the new color and a good hiding top coat.

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   kate | Nov 09, 2008 09:31pm | #13

   Use the gray primer, & then use SW Duration - it covers amazingly better than any other paint I've ever used, & I'm pretty old - My large, ancient, porous house used 15 gallons of red Duration over white in one coat...that was exterior, but I've also used a lot of the interior formulation, & it's equally good at covering.

   Edited 11/9/2008 1:35 pm ET by kate

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   Hiker | Nov 10, 2008 03:52pm | #14

   I like Duration as well.

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   DonCanDo | Oct 31, 2008 08:54pm | #2

   There is no real need to degloss the surface, a light sanding should suffice.  And besides, you would have to evacuate the house and use a respirator to degloss such a large area.  I would use a primer.  Any good quality primer will do.  Kilz is a good brand and they make several different primers.  Kilz 2 latex would be my choice for interior walls if I was using Kilz, but there are other good primers out there.  Kilz Original or Kilz Oderless are oil-based and are very good choices if you don't mind working with an oil-based primer.

   You can have the primer tinted to reduce the number of coats, but don't tint it to the full formula because primers tend to tint darker.

   The main reason to use a primer is to ensure good adhesion, they're not as good at hiding as paints.  I suspect that you may need a coat of primer and 2 topcoats to get complete coverage.

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   JeffBuck | Nov 01, 2008 07:38am | #9

   ditto the grey primer.

   even if U wanna paint it white.

   start with grey.

    

   Jeff

       Buck Construction

    Artistry In Carpentry

        Pittsburgh Pa

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   DonCanDo | Nov 09, 2008 04:00pm | #10

   So, did you do this job yet?  How did it go?

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   Danno | Nov 09, 2008 06:57pm | #11

   I do some painting and I would go to Lowes and buy High-Hiding Primer. I have found that to be excellent for covering colors that would otherwise show through. Kilz and other stain blockers will indeed (usually) keep colors from bleeding through, but that it not your issue. Bleeding through is different than just showing through because the primer is too transparent. The high hide primer has lots of pigment (titanium) and it is opaque and covers the red.

   I constantly argue with the guy I work for about this and he generally does it his way and we end up putting three or four coats of Benjamin-Moore, which is a good primer in most cases, but does not keep bright colors from showing through, since it is translucent (like skimmed milk) and has no ability to hide the color it goes over. That is fine when priming a new wall or a pale color, but absolutely does not work over reds, hot pinks, etc.

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   frenchy | Nov 09, 2008 08:19pm | #12

   leave it red during the winter months!

     The house will seem warmer. 

    whites and versions of white are cooler colors and better during the summer..

    Grin!