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   Gene_Davis | Jan 30, 2008 03:54am | #1

   Kohler, American Standard, Eljer, and more, all have rough in dimensions for their various pedestal sinks.

   Look at a bunch of them, and you can decide for yourself.  If your client cannot decide and you have seen a lot of variation, you might want to stub off low for now, leave wall finish off, and do it later when they can get off the dime on selection.

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   PaulBinCT | Jan 30, 2008 03:58am | #2

   Gee Gene... How'd you guess? BTDT?

   ;)PaulB

    

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   Riversong | Jan 30, 2008 06:16am | #3

   What does this have to do with the category "Energy, Heating & Insulation"?

   Are you lost?

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   BillHartmann | Jan 30, 2008 08:26pm | #6

   Since there is no section for plumbing and electrical it very common that this folder is used for those subjects.And more so for electric..
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   A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.

   Edited 1/30/2008 12:27 pm by BillHartmann

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   DoRight | Jan 30, 2008 11:40pm | #8

   Well it does take a lot of "energy" to work with clients and to install sinks and any kind of work, by definition, generates "heat".  The insulation part?  Well, two out of three. 

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   Riversong | Jan 31, 2008 05:12am | #18

   Well it does take a lot of "energy" to work with clients and to install sinks and any kind of work, by definition, generates "heat".  The insulation part?  Well, two out of three. 

   Oh, I get it!  And, if you do the job right you'll "insulate" yourself from call-backs.  ;)Riversong HouseWright

   Design *  * Build *  * Renovate *  * ConsultSolar & Super-Insulated Healthy Homes

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   Piffin | Jan 31, 2008 01:35am | #11

   You taking over the job of forum cop?There is no plumbing area at BT so these kind of Qs normally fall here since plumbers often do heat plant installations too.
   Its a Breaktime tradition. Paul's not lost. 

    

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   rez | Jan 31, 2008 01:44am | #14

   ROAR!Now that's funny right there. 

    

   Peaceful,easy feelin'.

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   PaulBinCT | Jan 31, 2008 02:28am | #16

   "Paul's not lost"

   That may not be strictly accurate Oh Great Oracle... but I appreciate the vote of confidence ;)PaulB

    

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   popawheelie | Jan 30, 2008 08:19am | #4

   I wait till I have the pedestal sink to finalize it. But that's just me. I like the supplies and trap to be high as possible so they don't show as much.

   
   

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   Edited 1/30/2008 5:36 pm ET by popawheelie

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   john_carroll | Jan 30, 2008 08:07pm | #5

   I'm not a plumber but I've done a few of these. First off, the rough-in directions that come with the sink are almost indecipherable. Why they don't just write in plain English how high off the finished floor the R.O. needs to be is a mystery to me.

   For the Kohler sink in my bathroom, I put the R.O. for the drain at 23-in. above the finished floor. My thought was to hide it. I deeply regretted it when I installed the sink. It was extremely difficult to install the waste line, especially the part that went with the drain plug. In subsequent installations, I've found that lower is better. I'd go no higher than 18-in. off the finished floor for any future pedestal sinks.

   The supply lines were easy to install but I managed to place the valves in a perfectly horrible location. They were close together and directly opposite the trap. There, they made tightening the connections to the trap an ordeal. In roughing these in, I was again very concerned that they be hidden. In the future, I'll put the valves about 10-in. under the R.O. for the drain.

   I've found that my concerns for aesthetics were misplaced. First of all, the sink blocks the view of these connections. But, aside from that, I don't really care if I can see these connections. When I walk into the bathroom, I have a direct line of sight to the valve and supply line to the toilet. About two days after I finished the bathroom I stopped noticing it and, for all practical purposes, it has disappeared.

   Don't forget to get wood in the wall for bolting the sink.

   I'm very interested to see what the plumbers have to say about the rough-in heights.

    

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   Piffin | Jan 30, 2008 08:55pm | #7

   They are not!

   My plumbers refuse to rough in for a pedestal sink unless it has already been chosen so that things are in the right place. Then they can go by a print out from the PDF sheet

   Otherwise it might be too far off the wall or have too much of the supply showing or have the supply hitting the stand, or....

    

    

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   PaulBinCT | Jan 30, 2008 11:45pm | #9

   I hear Oh Great Oracle and I obey...client will choose sink before rough in. PaulB

    

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   Piffin | Jan 31, 2008 01:36am | #12

   LOL, You healthy enough to kick the clients butt yet? 

    

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   PaulBinCT | Jan 31, 2008 02:26am | #15

   Me? I only kick butt if I don't get paid... but that's a story for another thread...PaulB

    

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   Sasquatch | Jan 31, 2008 12:35am | #10

   I recommend you go to the manufacturer's site for rough-in dimensions.  I did that with my Kohler sinks and the installation went flawlessly.

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   Piffin | Jan 31, 2008 01:38am | #13

   Kohler does do a pretty good PDF. I like top print out a copy and staple it to the stud where the rough-in happens and fax one to the plumber's office. That way - no excuses. 

    

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   Sasquatch | Jan 31, 2008 02:49am | #17

   At present, I am just doing work for myself.  I may attempt to go back into business when the horizon shows more promise.

   For now, I still do the same things for friends and for myself when I do any kind of project.  I take comprehensive digital photos, which cost nothing more than my time.  I also collect data from the web on anything I install.  I make AutoCAD LT drawings of anything I do.  Photos of some areas with a tape measure in sight also help folks to make decisions in the future.  Everything gets put onto a CD which goes to the owner.

   I mention this because I believe the sharing of information is really the moral thing to do.  I went through much of my life unable to obtain information on many things that were important to me.  Trade secrets and consumer protection were some of the reasons I was up against.  It may have pumped money into the lives of certain businesses, but it sucked it out of my earnings.  After decades of this nonsense, I know that the real motivation for withholding information is job security and other reasons which are less noble.

   In this same line of thought, I will mention that I have had a few unnecessary medical issues over the years because I could not access important information about myself.  Evidently, I was not qualified to make judgments concerning my own life.  Thanks to the internet, I know much more about myself than any doctor can ever know.  For example, last year I agreed to try a certain drug after resisting pressure from my doctor (who I believe had the best of intentions) for two years.  After two weeks, I elected to stop taking the drug.  My access to information, along with nearly 60 years of learning about my own body, made it possible for me to make a firm decision.  Last week, the news reports validated that the medicine I was taking would have actually made my condition worse.  I really didn't need further complications!

   Information is vital in all fields.

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   RhondaRay | Feb 03, 2008 06:41pm | #19

   Seventeen years back, we built a custom home in western North Carolina, home had a crawlspace. I had the plumber install the shutoff valves in the crawlspace and run the supply lines up through the floor, through the pedestal chase. Made for a cleaner install.

   Currently building another new home, once again over a crawlspace, this time the CS is "conditioned" (not that it makes any difference to this thread).

   New home has two pedestal sinks, don't know if current residential code will allow the same install but will let you know.

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   BillHartmann | Feb 03, 2008 07:12pm | #20

   I don't like the stop valves to be in the crawlspace. Big pain for a simple seal change.Or if you have real problem and need to shut if off quickly..
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   A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.