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1. 
   bobl | May 28, 2006 06:44am | #1

   what kind of gun do you use? does it have the dohicky to release the pressure?

    

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   zak | May 28, 2006 07:40am | #4

   Yeah, it's one of those nice orange plastic ones.  I release the pressure every time.zak

   "so it goes"

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   IMERC | May 28, 2006 08:02am | #7

   made in China????

   a quality Cox is more better...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->

   WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->

   Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

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   zak | May 28, 2006 08:40am | #9

   Cox is what it is.  Made in England.  I couldn't think of the name before, just knew it had an X in it. 

   small tubes.  I'll try cutting them bigger.

   Anyway, by tomorrow I'll be done with blocking and on to subfloor, so I won't have these starts and stops bugging me so much.zak

   "so it goes"

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   IMERC | May 28, 2006 08:41am | #10

   Is the PL cold????Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->

   WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->

   Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

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   IMERC | May 28, 2006 08:41am | #11

   for that cut it huge....Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->

   WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->

   Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

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   Piffin | May 28, 2006 04:21pm | #14

   Most of the time I have that problem regardless what gun or what size hole. It is worse in trhe heat.What I think the problem is , is that it is a polyurethene glue and it does expand as it cuees. Probably it starts to cure immediately on exposure to the air, so it wants to keep running. If I tape the end of the tube or use a red cap at end of day, it will stop running out much more quickly, so that confirms my ttheory in my own mind at least. We have learned to just keep a lid or scrap of ply or board under where we lay it down, or hang it up in the trash can so it drips down into there.because of this feature of expanding on exposure to the air and while curing, I still get more mileage out of it than regular PL adhesive, even with the waste.That's my story anyway... 

    

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   IMERC | May 28, 2006 08:03am | #8

   10.2 oz or quart tubes....

   is the PL outta date or near there...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->

   WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->

   Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

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   BillHartmann | May 28, 2006 03:57pm | #12

   I have a cheap dripless gun. Workes perfectly on most caulks.But I have the same problem on PL Prmium. I even release the plunger and pull it back. Still ozzes.Does not matter what the conditions are.But I do usually make a small hole.

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   Sphere | May 28, 2006 04:15pm | #13

   It is because it is a moisture activated cure. Any humidity will accelerate the expansion. After the tube is opened, the permeability of the un-cured product rises like bread dough with yeast.

   If it doesn't grow outta the tube, I'd suspect its ability to cure properly.

   PL won't expand near as much as the liquid poly glues like Gorilla, but it does expand.

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   There is no cure for stupid. R. White.

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   BillHartmann | May 28, 2006 04:28pm | #15

   I don't buy that.A. The moisture is working on a fairly small volumne and that is being pushed out all the time. If moisture was getting down into the tube then the next day it would all be hard. But with a reasonable seal on the tube you can use it for a few weeks.And when you look at the small amount that is exposed to the air for it to keep going like that it would have to expand faster than great stuff (which, by the way is similar chemistry).B. It stops after a couple of minutes.

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   Sphere | May 28, 2006 04:38pm | #16

   Oh yeah? well Piffin agrees so we out number you!  LOL.

   If Pif says so it must be true.  Really it is.

   I just let the plug harden and drive a screw into it next time, pull the plug out and keep on keepin on.

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   There is no cure for stupid. R. White.

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   rez | May 28, 2006 07:15pm | #25

   I've also had that happen with midrange latex caulks and not happen with every tube of the same brand.

   Not like I'm standing on the trigger to get pressure to the gun either.

   One time after a number of tubes in succession I even took the cartridge out of the gun and laid it in the middle of the floor, watching it continue to spill it's contents out the nozzle long enough for me to climb back up the step ladder and sit on top with fist on chin in my best 'The Thinker' pose as I marvelled at the proceedings.

   Being reminded of the occasional air pop out from the middle of various tubes, I'm more inclined to think the problem lies in the manufacture instead of a normal chemical reaction.

   be but hey, whatta I know and whatta I gotta know?

   half of good living is staying out of bad situations

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   IMERC | May 28, 2006 07:34pm | #28

   I didn't buy that hog and horse hockey either....

   small hole.... glue is slow to flow.... times up can't wait any more... crank down on the plunger....

   build a fair amount of excessive hydraulic pressures... (amout relative to the tip hole size)

   use glue...

   release plunger...

   not all hydroststic pressure is realeased....

   glue hast to go someplace...

   now if ya want ozzing.. set that sucker in the sun for a minute or two...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->

   WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->

   Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

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   hasbeen | May 28, 2006 09:38pm | #33

   My experience is very similar to BillHartmann's. I do suspect that the stuff may compress and then decompress, i.e. I squeeze harder than it seems like I should have to for a new tube of relatively thin glue and then it oozes for a few minutes. I've been sticking a piece of electrical wire in the hole and bending the other end into a sort of handle. When I set the just used tube down I put something under it (sometimes just a pile of sawdust or sheetrock dust) and I place it so that the "handle" is against a wall or something heavy.Like pif, I like the stuff so much that I don't mind the hassle and waste enough to switch back to PL400.Edit: I also try to release the pressure way in advance of the end of the bead I'm laying, with varying results.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++"Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd." Voltaire

   Edited 5/28/2006 2:44 pm by hasbeen

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   zak | May 28, 2006 10:35pm | #34

   I've been having better luck today, cut a big tip, let off a bit early, and try to set it on a joist where you're going to need glue anyway.zak

   "so it goes"

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   IMERC | May 28, 2006 07:26pm | #27

   But I do usually make a small hole.

   prime suspect...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->

   WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->

   Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

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   IMERC | May 28, 2006 06:58am | #2

   you leaving it out in the sun...

   Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming

   WOW!!! What a Ride!

   Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

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   zak | May 28, 2006 07:42am | #5

   Oy vey.  I haven't seen the sun around here for a week, and I'm working inside.  I cut a hole big enough for a 16D common to fit in easily.

   Does no one else experience this?  Am I mistakenly buying the "carbonated" tubes?zak

   "so it goes"

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   IMERC | May 28, 2006 08:01am | #6

   cut the hole a bit bigger... you may be pressurizing the snot out of the tube to get a good flow..

   bigger hole .... less gun pressure... better release...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->

   WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->

   Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

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   IMERC | May 28, 2006 06:59am | #3

   are you cutting only a small hole in the tip..

   Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming

   WOW!!! What a Ride!

   Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

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   andybuildz | May 28, 2006 04:47pm | #17

   I love when that happens. YA have to be one with the Premium.
   I love that stuff.
   I also love that it never gets hard in the entire tube so as you can't squeeze more out the next day like some tubes of glue. I use to stick a 10 in there but found it to be unneccessay. Just pull out the squiggle of glue (after its hard)that annoys zak and yer ready to rock n roll. Thats why it oozes out. Its an automatic cap. Now ya love it doncha?

   If Blodgett says, Tipi tipi tipi it must be so!

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   BillHartmann | May 28, 2006 04:53pm | #18

   I have to try the automatic cap.I have had bad luck with using a nail. Seems that moisture will follow it down and cook the whole tube.And I never had one of the rubber tips when I need one.So I have been taking a bit of plastic bag and wrapping it around the end and using masking tape to hold it in place.Makes about a 3/4" size ball on the end that I fill up with PL.while I have not dated them I think that some where 4 weeks old and possible 6 or more that was still good.

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   andybuildz | May 28, 2006 04:56pm | #19

   I think its called a "Piffencap".If Blodgett says, Tipi tipi tipi it must be so!

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   butch | May 28, 2006 05:31pm | #20

   think its called a "Piffencapwhich is not to be cornfused with piffenscrews

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   andybuildz | May 28, 2006 05:37pm | #21

   think its called a "Piffencap>>>>>which is not to be cornfused with piffenscrews>>>>>>Well thats how it got its name dummy : )
   We used to use Piffenscrews in the end of our PL Premium tubes. That gave birth to the inspiration of the "Piffencap". Imagine the possibiities...who'd a thunk?If Blodgett says, Tipi tipi tipi it must be so!

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   butch | May 28, 2006 05:47pm | #22

   <<Well thats how it got its name dummy : )>>hey, i resemble that how about "piffen for dummies"

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   andybuildz | May 28, 2006 05:57pm | #23

   how about "piffen for dummies"and on that note
   "piffen for dummies unite"If Blodgett says, Tipi tipi tipi it must be so!

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4. 
   Piffin | May 28, 2006 07:17pm | #26

   My reputation is screwed if you guys don't cap this conversation,LOL 

    

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   IMERC | May 28, 2006 07:35pm | #29

   you gonna be lead?????Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->

   WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->

   Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

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   andybuildz | May 28, 2006 07:56pm | #30

   you gonna be lead?????>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Its all the same to me...s/matter...you too good to be another Bozo on the bus? I'll even move over to make some room for ya : )~If Blodgett says, Tipi tipi tipi it must be so!

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   IMERC | May 28, 2006 08:46pm | #31

   just as long as it doesn't cut into the fishing....Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->

   WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->

   Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

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   Sphere | May 28, 2006 09:01pm | #32

   If his tube dribbles we doan want him on the bus.

   Just give the tube a little extra ( yes, by hand) before ya release the plunge lock, expell the overage..never dribble again.

   Yoous are still learning about barometric pressure and millibars of water x square force of plunger=dribble ooze.

    

   Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

   There is no cure for stupid. R. White.

2. 
   zak | May 28, 2006 06:50pm | #24

   One with the premium

   One with the premium

   As long as I can cut blocking fast enough to use that big snaky goober hanging off the tip.

   be one with the premiumzak

   "so it goes"