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   andybuildz | Jan 01, 2006 08:19pm | #1

   teflon tape?

   The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!

   When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides, I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace. I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.

    

    

   
    

    

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   Kop | Jan 01, 2006 08:39pm | #2

   This is for seating the tailpiece inside the sink.

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   rasconc | Jan 01, 2006 08:56pm | #3

   Personaly I hate plumber's putty.  I think it was concocted as a job security enhancer for plumbers.(:-)  There is a HVAC product I have used with success called Permagum.  Comes in a block and works like P. putty.  It never dries out.  It is designed to seal around line penetrations in refrigerated cabinets. 

   It just seems that every time I take something apart that used the regular putty it crumbles into nothing that could possibly have sealed. 

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   WayneL5 | Jan 01, 2006 10:00pm | #4

   Plastic tailpieces generally come with a thin foam gasket that is used in place of plumber's putty.

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   Fonzie | Jan 01, 2006 10:18pm | #5

   We always use clear silicone rubber. I have never been successful talking a plumber into using it - however after the plumbers leave and the slip joints under the vanity or kit sink leak we use the clear silicone on and under the slip rings, on the lip of the tailpiece, finger tight, life is good (and a lot easier). You can bump it with the "Tide" and it doesn't leak - yet it will easily come apart if necessary.

   We have had leaks on tub/shower slip joints that involved a finished ceiling. We had to fix and add the silicone - couldn't talk the plumbers into it during installation.

   I don't know what the problem is here with the plumbers (the few I have encountered on this). I don't know how anybody can see plumber's putty in 5 years and think it's the way to go. My best judgement is just: "doing it the way we always have". (though the silicone does stink I'll admit)

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   plumbbill | Jan 02, 2006 04:56am | #7

   The main reason we don't use silicone is most of that stuff is designed to be taken apart for service.

   A slip joint connection doesn't really need anything extra on it to make the seal.

   I will put on a lubricant to help in the seating of the slip joint gaskets but not to seal them.

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   Pierre1 | Jan 03, 2006 03:45am | #12

   What kind of lube do you use on the tailpiece slip joint, Bill?http://www.costofwar.com/

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   plumbbill | Jan 03, 2006 04:27am | #13

   Usually a teflon based pipe dope that doesn't harden & has easy water clean up.

   Hercules Megaglock¯ is what I prefer.

   I have used dish soap, vasaline, vic grease AKA duck butter ( it's a vegitable based soap for victaulic & tyseal piping systems)

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   Fonzie | Jan 04, 2006 05:33am | #14

   "The main reason we don't use silicone is most of that stuff is designed to be taken apart for service." (plumbbill)plumbbill,Please explain this one to me, because the silicone doesn't interfere with taking the slipjoints apart. This has been one of the reasons I have heard, along with the other. I'm not trying to argue with you - just seriously trying to understand. I have seen plumbers come back a couple of times for the "little drip" - leaving a paper towel, checking back, etc. That costs the plumber a - lot - more than silicone or the extra trouble. On the other hand I have never seen a failure with the silicone method. And it comes apart easily.

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   plumbbill | Jan 04, 2006 06:06am | #15

   I supposse if ya use it like brill cream ( lil dab will do ya)

   I mainly come across silicone that looks like they used a tar brush & about a pint of it per joint.

   The manufacturer of most SJ connection wether it's pvc or brass (dearborn is one of the most common) don't ask for anything on the washer.

   I always like a bit of lube on there to ease assembly & it fills in tiny imperfections.

   I'm not denying silicone works but can be a bit messy when you're trying to do a bunch of traps

   Current job i'm on 42 story hotel/condo over 1100 traps to be put in.

   My opinion a plumber that NEVER has a leak is a plumber who NEVER does anything.

   they happen now & then key is to fix it before someone else sees it.

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   Boats234 | Jan 06, 2006 03:18am | #16

   As I wipe the condensation off my container of Oatey's Plumbers Putty I see it has instructions on it that claim DO NOT USE ON MARBLE, GRANITE, LIMESTONE OR PLASTIC. Never knew that before-- ignorance is bliss-- and never had any problem with plastic.. But I've never read the instructions on a roll of duct tape or bottle of beer for that matter and I've had equal success.

   Duct Seal-- You mean that fine product AKA Monkey Sh#t by all Navy Snipes.

   And who gets a discount at Johnstone with out spending over $75K a year--I'd shave my legs for 10% off.

    

   BTW The condensation on my 8oz. container of Putty is due to the fact that I use my empty containers for cocktail glasses to complement my Kool Whip salad bowl collection, and since they have just allowed me back in "The Tavern" I'm heading there now for Happy Hour and a round of virtual drinks on my tab.

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   plumbbill | Jan 02, 2006 04:52am | #6

   Like others have posted putty is for the flanged top part of the P O assembly ,not the tail piece.

   All the puttys I use say do not use on stone marble or granite, I haven't seen one that said not on plastic.

   The duct stuff sounded interesting, not having seen it before I can't give it a yay or nay---- I am always open for new ideas though.

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   rasconc | Jan 02, 2006 06:12am | #8

   http://www.virginiakmp.us/detalhe_produto.asp?IDP=217&IDC=6

   Here is the link to the product.  My FIL did refrig. repair and i borrowed some and liked it.

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   4Lorn1 | Jan 03, 2006 02:04am | #10

   Looks like a high quality version of what we term 'duct seal'. Commonly available in one pound blocks for a couple of bucks. I looked in my Johnstone Supply 2005/2006 catalog and found "Presite Permagum Slugs" $7.35 list price, only walk-ins pay list so show some leg, on page 956. Item No.G21-517Johnstone is a well established HVAC supply house with branches Just about everywhere anyone would care to be. Locator:
   http://corporate.johnstonesupply.com/findstore.asp

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   rasconc | Jan 03, 2006 03:40am | #11

   It is the same stuff.  I did not know about that store. Thanks.  There is a store in Asheville over by Cloud.

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   TTF | Jan 02, 2006 06:13am | #9

   I just installed a shower drain - the instructions said to use silicone caulk under the flange. Typically, you would put plumbers putty there. I used the silicone and it worked great.