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   popeye87 | Nov 08, 2002 02:09am | #1

   Try  this link, I've used them and they're the best I found:

   http://www.johnsonhardware.com/100pd.htm

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   wmmooniii | Nov 08, 2002 04:48am | #2

   These are the best available in this area too.But the ones I saw in New York were head and shoulders above those in appearance and ease of operation.Thanks for the reply.

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   andybuildz | Nov 08, 2002 03:35pm | #3

   I hate the Johnson door hardware and I cant help you cause I try and stay away from them if possible. The only ones I've installed were Johnson and as I said.I hate them. Good luck. I'd love to see a post that speaks of a REALLY quality pocket door. I've yet to find any.

   Be well

           Namaste

                       AndyIt's not who's right, it's who's left ~ http://CLIFFORDRENOVATIONS.COM

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   wmmooniii | Nov 08, 2002 05:05pm | #4

   That's it in a nutshell, Andy.I'll keep looking and let you know what comes up!

   Will Moon

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   andybuildz | Nov 08, 2002 05:29pm | #5

   Is your name really "Will Moon?

   aIt's not who's right, it's who's left ~ http://CLIFFORDRENOVATIONS.COM

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   wmmooniii | Nov 08, 2002 06:34pm | #7

   Yep!

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   Frankie | Nov 08, 2002 06:12pm | #6

   I work in NYC and there's a pocket door or two on just about every site. Please describe the track and or other features that you liked. Where in NYC was the site? How close are you to NYC? Maybe I can give you a distributor also.

   I know of two systems. One is about the same $ as GJ and the other is $$$$$$$ + 6-8weeks and made to spec length. No cutting on site. But oh so nice. They both work nicely and quietly when installed properly.

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   wmmooniii | Nov 08, 2002 06:39pm | #8

   Frankie,

       The one I saw was in a condo on Central Park,a high dollar place.The track appeared to be very heavy duty steel,polished.The hardware was high quality chrome and this moved as smoothly as a bank vault door.What you are describing sounds like it may be what I am looking for.I do a lot of high-end custom work and my clients would be willing to pay for a quality set-up.Tell me more!

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   Frankie | Nov 08, 2002 07:19pm | #9

   I can e-mail or fax you the cut sheet. I just tried to get it from the web but because it's a custom item the co. doesn't list it. Pretty nutty because a 4 ft unit looks just like a 9 ft unit - only longer. And they have a spec sheet with #'s to fill-in, in order to ........

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   JDRHI | Nov 08, 2002 08:02pm | #10

   Hows about postin the website for the rest of us!?J. D. Reynolds

   Home Improvements

   "DO IT RIGHT, DO IT ONCE"

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   Frankie | Nov 08, 2002 08:24pm | #11

   Like I stated in my previous message, they do not have a PDF for it on their web site. Dunno why. I cannot fax it to everyone either.

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   wmmooniii | Nov 08, 2002 08:25pm | #12

   Frankie,

         Please do as Jaybird suggests and post the website for us.I am sure that I am not the only person looking for this sort of thing.Thanks!

   Will 

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   Bruce | Nov 08, 2002 11:32pm | #13

   Stanley makes poket hardware sets too.  I haven't used them, but I've installed a lot of their bifold and bypass hardware, and I think it's more substantial than Johnson.  Might not be what you're looking for, but one supplier is at

    http://www.sgshardware.com/stock_catalog/pocket_door.htm. 

   I'd bet your local big-box store can order it too.  I was surprised to learn that HD can special order just abut anything available, and at pretty decent prices.

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   Snort | Nov 09, 2002 12:25am | #14

   I've hung a lot of pocket doors. The Johnson hanging system is much superior to Stanley, IMHO. That said, I gotta add that I, too, hate 'em. Most framers don't seem to have ####clue about how level and plumb and plane effect 'em, especially doubles. The best system I've seen is a Johnson track in a 2x6 wall, and even that's pretty cheesy...

   And what's with the problem posting a web address for the good stuff...addresses ain't got nothing to do with PDF...c'mon, give it up...puleeze It's okay, I can fix it!

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   Frankie | Nov 09, 2002 12:56am | #15

   You're #%@#^$#@ right. Web sites have nothing to do with PDF's... unless that is how manufacturers (most if not all) offer their specification sheets.

   Now, I will repeat AGAIN. You, me, anyone in your families - NOBODY - can even see it on the web site because THE MANUFACTURER DOES NOT EVEN LIST IT there. I spoke to them today and asked them to e-mail me the spec, so I could post it, but they can't even do that without e-mailing me their complete data base. They even admitted that this is ridiculus but it is what it is. Can I be ANY clearer?

   Oh yeah, I explained why I was requesting it (thinking they might think the target audience would be an incentive). They then asked me NOT to give out their name UNTIL I posted the spec sheet. Otherwise, they will get swamped with requests from you guys for the same FAX SENT BY HAND.

   I have no way I know of getting you guys the spec sheet without faxing it. So, someone in NYC or close gimme your fax # and then you can have the honor of turning it into an attachment for the others.

   PS. - If I did not want to give out the info I would not have aswered the post. THAT would be holding out with the "good stuff".

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   Snort | Nov 09, 2002 01:15am | #16

   Well, all righty then, just as long as you're working on it...'cause when it comes to steenking pocket doors, seems inquiring minds want to know...

   And, also, thanks for the trouble...

   and my fax # 919.929.2872, just got a new machine and it's loaded for action;-) I can scan it up here, too... It's okay, I can fix it!

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   JDRHI | Nov 09, 2002 02:26am | #17

   Frankie...sweetheart...baby....no need to get yer jockeys all in a bunch....If you were to post the website....regardless of whether the specific info of which you speak was available, then those of us who may not need the info immediately would at least have a starting point in the future when necessary. Fax info will be great, but I have no specific requirements to send them at this time. Come on big guy...give it up ya big pocket hardware tease ya!J. D. Reynolds

   Home Improvements

   "DO IT RIGHT, DO IT ONCE"

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   FrankB89 | Nov 09, 2002 04:14am | #21

   Well, if this outfit is so damned snooty, how about we get their specs and start mfg. our OWN G.D pocket doors!  Obviously, there's a market right here!

   You would think that with all the complaints and dissatisfaction with PDF's and the amount of time spent by people like us trying to dissuade clients from putting them in because the off-the-shelf units are such crap, that some enterprising enterprise would have got in gear by now!

   Where's Capitalism when we really need it? 

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   2Hammer | Nov 10, 2002 11:11pm | #33

   Frankie

   If or when you get these specs, you can send them to me, if we have a good quality fax I will scan it - make a PDF - and post.

   303-297-8044

   EWS

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   Piffin | Nov 09, 2002 06:39pm | #25

   If Stanleys are that good it might be worth a second peek. It's hard to believe though. I swore off using Stanley Doors fifteen years ago when they failed miserably to impress me. I always put them in the bottom third of the pile..

   Excellence is its own reward!

   "The first rule is to keep an untroubled spirit. The second is to look things in the face and know them for what they are." --Marcus Aurelius

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   Bruce | Nov 09, 2002 07:11pm | #26

   What's your top third?  I'm here to learn ...

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   Piffin | Nov 09, 2002 07:25pm | #27

   Well, I recently learned that collar ties go in the top third...

   ;)

   I use the Johnson and haven't heard a complaint from customers. I'm sure there are better ones but these are a great value.

   That's on Pocket door hardware.

   or did you mean doors?

   I've been fairly happy with Andersons and Marvins in the middle third but most of my doors are custom wood with Baldwin hinges and Baldwin or Emtex knobs.

   Excellence is its own reward!

   "The first rule is to keep an untroubled spirit. The second is to look things in the face and know them for what they are." --Marcus Aurelius

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   Bruce | Nov 09, 2002 08:13pm | #30

   I'm thinking pockets.  Johnson is what I see most of ... problem is, you need to have a serious carpenter install any pocket frame so it's dead nuts plumb, level, and square.  As a custom trimmer, that's something I don't often comes across.  Crooked pocket frames ranks right up there with misaligned R/O's where you have an array of windows.  I guess the framers figure if the R/O size is OK, it doesn't make much difference where it is in relation to the others. 

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   Piffin | Nov 09, 2002 09:01pm | #31

   we do our own frame and trim so that be not a problem for us.

   I would think that the very finest smoothest hardware would still be unsatisfactory though if the framing job is crap..

   Excellence is its own reward!

   "The first rule is to keep an untroubled spirit. The second is to look things in the face and know them for what they are." --Marcus Aurelius

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   andybuildz | Nov 10, 2002 12:50am | #32

   Pocket doors also need attention paid to the thought of being able to remove or replace them if necessary which few carps think about. Some just nail up the jambs to both sides of the rear of the door and no stops after the door is in. The stops can be pulled a whole lot easier then the whole jamb if need be. I've seen a lot of this as well. 2x6 walls are a nice feature if you can frame it that way as the walls the PD slides into is sure flimsy

   Be well

          Namaste'

                      Andy

   It's not who's right, it's who's left ~ http://CLIFFORDRENOVATIONS.COM

   Edited 11/9/2002 4:53:29 PM ET by Andy Clifford(Andybuildz)

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   2Hammer | Nov 10, 2002 11:32pm | #34

   One thought on pocket door framing-

   Keep in mind that I have NEVER been accused of over building -

   Replace 2X with 3/4 ply and you can even make an over height

   pocket inside of a 4" finished wall

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   BEI | Nov 11, 2002 01:47am | #35

   Fine Homebuilding (1988-90) had a good article on building and installing pocket door frames. These were to be used in 6" walls so they would not interfere with light switches and other intrusions. In 1990 I built and installed 3 of these door frames using Johnson's "ball bearing" hangers and hardware. I was very pleased with the results and to this day they are used on a regular basis without problem. To this date I have not seen a better installation method.

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   ahneedhelp | Nov 09, 2002 02:34am | #18

   There is a German company that set up shop in the Carolinas somewhere.

   I've been to their web site but can't remember their name....

   One of their products is pocket door track hardware.

   I will continue to search.

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   Snort | Nov 09, 2002 03:11am | #19

   So what kindahelp do you need? I got a NC zip code;-) It's okay, I can fix it!

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   romeoraft | Nov 09, 2002 07:36pm | #28

   Pocket Doors-

   .

   .

   .

   "JUST SAY NO!!!"

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   Piffin | Nov 09, 2002 07:43pm | #29

   can't agree there.

   Used judiciously, they are a great choice. The trouble is when somebody thinks they belong everywhere..

   Excellence is its own reward!

   "The first rule is to keep an untroubled spirit. The second is to look things in the face and know them for what they are." --Marcus Aurelius

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   BillHartmann | Nov 09, 2002 03:59am | #20

   I think that would be Hafele.

   Here is a list of manufacturers of pocket door hardware.

   http://www.dhi.org/products.asp?Mode=Products&ID=3920

   Accuride International Santa Fe Springs, CA

   Arthur Cox & Sons Industry, CA

   Barry Supply Company Division of Barry Industries, Inc. New York, NY

   Benson Industries, Inc. Portland, OR

   G-U Hardware, Inc. Newport News, VA

   Modric, Inc. Pagosa Springs, CO

   Cal Royal Products, Inc. Commerce, CA

   Don-Jo Manufacturing, Inc. Sterling, MA

   FPL Door Locks & Hardware, Inc. Moorpark, CA

   Hafele America Company Archdale, NC

   Hager Companies Saint Louis, MO

   Harnisch Company Huntington Beach, CA

   Hettich America Alpharetta, GA

   KN Crowder Manufacturing, Inc. Mississauga, ON Canada

   Kristrack Manufacturing, Ltd. Coquitlam, BC Canada

   L. E. Johnson Products, Inc. Elkhart, IN

   Leatherneck Hardware, Inc. Danville, IL

   M. A. G. ENG. & MFG. Co., Inc. Huntington Beach, CA

   Master Manufacturers, Inc. Denver, CO

   Sierra Automatic Doors, Inc. Ontario, CA

   Stanley Hardware Division of The Stanley Works New Britain, CT

   Stone River Bronze Logan, UT

   Sugatsune America, Inc. Carson, CA

   Paul Decorative Products, Inc. New York, NY

   PEMKO Mfg. Co. Ventura, CA

   PRE-HUNG DOORS, Inc. Eagan, MN

   Prime Line Products Company/Slide-Co. San Bernardino, CA

   Selby Furniture Hardware Co., Inc. Bronx, NY

   Tice Industries Portland, OR

   TRIMCO/BBW/QUALITY Los Angeles, CA

   Ultra Hardware Products, LLC Pennsauken, NJ

   Westguard Inc Twinsburg, OH

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   Snort | Nov 09, 2002 04:29am | #22

   I know Grass is in NC and I think Blum may be too, but none of that's the full sized, walk thru pocket door stuff, is it? Cabinet hdwre, s'not quite the same... It's okay, I can fix it!

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   DougU | Nov 09, 2002 07:20am | #23

   I think Hartman suggested it a few posts back, Hafele(German maker) are the cadilac of pocket door hardware

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   ahneedhelp | Nov 09, 2002 04:05pm | #24

   Thank-you, Bill -

   Hafele is the name I was trying to recall.

   Alan