Started this over the weekend – working around the pool guy.
Pergola on the left, where the roll-off is –
Poolhouse on the right, where the dozer is
Really cool 40′ swinging vine all the kids enjoyed (nine on it this afternoon)
Forrest
Prescriptive codes don't address the connection at less common angles, so base the connection off more typical ones using bolts, structural screws, blocking, and steel tension ties.
"I have learned so much thanks to the searchable articles on the FHB website. I can confidently say that I expect to be a life-long subscriber." - M.K.
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Forrest
Edited 3/24/2008 7:10 pm ET by McDesign
Nice!
I'll stay tuned.
What are you going to build it with?
Chuck S.live, work, build, ...better with wood
Pergola will be (6) 10' x 10" permacast Tuscan columns; cypress 6x6s and 2x8s top.
Poolhouse (open inside) is all rough-sawn white pine studs and rafters and sheathing; painted Hardi and arch. shingles.
Client is thinking about the columns and trim being ketchup red.
Forrest
Getting ready for inspector and concrete for various things this morning -
Equipment pad, poolhouse slab, and pool farthest away-
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My poolhouse form - ladder so inspector can see water in the standpipe. Yes, I will re-use all that nice lumber in the rakes and soffits! the pool guys were kidding me that I was building "furniture".
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Shut-off and drain for winter
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12-14" deep is all I have to go - I like this global warming!
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Deep end looks like 10' or more
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~2200 ft addition and big cantelevered roof I put on several years ago.
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Forrest
Edited 3/28/2008 12:40 pm ET by McDesign
"Deep end looks like 10' or more"
How you goin' fill it in Dry-Lanta?
Looks good,Our inspectors just shake the pipe to check for water.Will that be a 'shotcrete' pool?Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
It's an interesting type of pool (forget the name) - it has the curved metal short side segments, a slab "shallow end", and hand placed (stiff) mixer-concrete for the slopes. I'll post some pix.
Then it all gets a vinyl liner.
Forrest
Supposed to pour (rain) this weekend. Sump pump will go in the tarped hole for the deep end -
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Pads poured - light broom on the pool house
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Forrest
Edited 3/28/2008 7:37 pm ET by McDesign
Alright, it's Monday. Where's our update?
jt8
"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."-- Mark Twain
Whoooee! I was over there this AM, and it's a GIGANTIC mudhole. I was going to strip the forms, but just walking over there my boots weigh five hundred pounds. Sprinkling now; supposed to rain hard tomorrow.
Still waiting to go pick up the RS wood at the mill; I'm repairing around a hearth for somebody else
Forrest - staying inside in wet'Lanta
Thought y'all were having a drought down there. Did you get out your drum and do your Bill Starbuck imitation, or what?!
jt8
"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."-- Mark Twain
Lot's o'rain lately -
"No - uh-uh, you won't get stuck - it's pretty dry coming thru the back . . ."
Right.
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12,000# of RS southern yellow pine and some cypress - the biggest non-CDL rental truck sitting on its bump-stops
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Maybe I can get the truck out with it unloaded - mostly the right front wheel is in a hole.
Forrest
Edited 4/1/2008 8:45 pm ET by McDesign
The rental folks don't mind. The meter is running. jt8
"If people concentrated on the really important things in life, there'd be a shortage of fishing poles." -- Doug Larson
Unloaded most last night, by my lonesome. Dad and I finished and dug it out this AM; sprayed off the undercarriage and still made it in time.
After unloading, I realized my left hand wasn't really working on the "clenching" part - like when that ulnar nerve was messed up. Couldn't hold my coffee cup, and my hand slipped off the door handle at Circle K and whacked me in the head.
Now they think I'm an early drinker.
Seems to be coming back now.
Forrest
Oh sure, I may have crippled myself for life, but I got the 12k lbs of lumber unloaded, the 24' box truck unstuck from the mud, the mud cleaned off, and returned said box truck without a late charge!
;)
You gonna give it a day or two to dry out?
jt8
"If people concentrated on the really important things in life, there'd be a shortage of fishing poles." -- Doug Larson
Edited 4/2/2008 1:38 pm by JohnT8
Hah! I got the forms stripped, and all the ACQ toe-plates bolted down - just finished.
Forrest
Reminds me of renting a Ryder in Pa. to move my shop to NC , in Dec. BLIZZARD hit and my mile long drive needed a back hoe to dig me out, then the truck was from FLA and had no decent tires.
I spun, slid, spun..nada. Finally shuttled the shop to the truck in 4wd pu's, and the hoe. Bought chains for the rental ( 106.00$ IIRC) and was both late returning the truck and over the estimated milage.
When I pled my case and story of snow, me buying chains..etc. They decided to not overcharge me, and when they asked why the estimated milage was high, I just looked at the girl and " because the G-Daam thig was sitting spinning in the snow for 2 days. LOL.
I think they use better tires these days.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
"Welcome to Poo-ville, can I have your socks?Seriously Folks, I need a home for 3 lovers of your life.
Realized I hadn't posted any elevations -
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Forrest - making cut lists in the rain
Edited 4/3/2008 2:26 pm ET by McDesign
Working in serious mud today (Sunday). Cut and labelled all the pieces Friday AM; got rained out. Had it alll aid out - here's the walk through the valley of the mud - Couldn't carry more than one board at once up to the pad; too heavy and I'd sink.View Image
Supposed to pour the apron 7 AM tomorrow; I'm thinkin' they're gonna' have fun!
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Assembled this this afternoon; just nailing things together - an 8x8x8 cube and a 10x10x10 one -
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Interestingly, one of the modules actually held water, thanks to the sill sealer and not cutting out for the doors yet. The other side the plate kicked up in front where it wasn't bolted for the door -View Image
Some dramatic mildew and mold growth on these 2-week-old boards - some have 1/4" of the white fuzz - seems to be normal. Sawmill guy says build it, dry it in, then "Cloe Rox it real good" -View Image
Forrest
Edited 4/6/2008 7:12 pm ET by McDesign
Forrest,
I've built 6 or 7 barns over the years with that rough cut lumber. Some of the lumber I used was so wet that when you sink a nail home with a hammer it would spray ya in the face. lol
I always used ring shank nails to help keep it from warping as it dried out.The wood I used was syp.
Your sawmill guy is right about the clorox. I usually mixed it 50/50 with water and used a pump up sprayer to apply it.That mildew just about jumped off the walls.I'd always follow up with a water hose and anything that was closed in got a fan to help dry out.
That stuff is alot of work compared to store bought and sometimes its hard to find a crown when its that fresh ,but it would harden like iron weathers way better.
good luck with the project,
dug
Thanks - this is my first time framing with RS. Going to sheath with diagonal 1x6 RS tomorrow.
Forrest
In case I missed it before, what is the reason for using the RS wood?John
J.R. Lazaro Builders, Inc.
Indianapolis, In.
The inside will be all exposed and unpainted - no ceiling or interior wall finish - also, that's why the roof and wall sheathing is not plywood. Kind of a design idea; client said "sure - go for it".
Detailing the millwork around the windows and doors will be interesting; I'm planning on using scraps of RS.
Outside will be crisp and Hardi-planked and TuffBoarded and painted probably deep red with white trim.
Forrest
Looking good.
What type of prservative will you use?
Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
Uhh . . . On the inside, wasn't planning on any. Should I? It will take at least a year to dry out, it seems.
Forrest
More playing in the mud. This wood is really amazingly straight - a pleasure to work with - those pieces on the back under the electric box are ~18' long and dead straight. Using the ring shanked nails to try and keep it tight. Client took these pix today.
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Forrest
Edited 4/7/2008 7:52 pm ET by McDesign
Schweeeet.
Uh, us Ky-ians. Use a bale of straw or three under foot to fight the goo. Yall DO have pine straw or somethin like that doncha?Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
"Welcome to Poo-ville, can I have your socks?Seriously Folks, I need a home for 3 lovers of your life.
<Uh, us Ky-ians. Use a bale of straw or three under foot to fight the goo.>
Uh - given your state's abbreviation, I'm afraid to respond.
Forrest
Yup. The jelly state.
Better quit now, too easy to get booted these days.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
"Welcome to Poo-ville, can I have your socks?Seriously Folks, I need a home for 3 lovers of your life.
Be slip sliding away ?
They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.
Speaking of that -
Yes, the front-dump concrete truck did get stuck this AM - all 6 wheels churning. Tow strap on the backhoe; stretched and snapped it like string. Finally a big chain on the dozer - with everyone out of the way!
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Finished the walls; rafters this aft.
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Forrest
Edited 4/8/2008 11:50 am ET by McDesign
You know, don't ya, that if an old timer was to see that pattern he'd say, "Good! Ya got her sheathed off. When do you start with siding?"
Though to be honest, if it was really old time sheathing it'd be done like herringbone, opposing at the corners, not a running pattern.
It will get sided - just not the inside.
Forrest
While I was waiting for my dialup connection, I see you already responded.
Only 6 kbs connection today!
Allen
Only 6 kbs connection today!
using carrier pigeon?jt8
So what was that like?It was like coming THIS close to your dreams. And then watch them brush past you like a stranger in a crowd. At the time you don’t think much of it. You know we just don’t recognize the most significant moments of our lives while they’re happening. Back then I thought, “well, there’ll be other days.†I didn’t realize that that was the only day. --FoD
Really? I was thinkin' that it looked very good as it is. 1X6 sheathing was always #2 or #3, loosely applied and full of large knots and knot holes. Your job looks like select material, applied as siding.
Thanks - really been nice wood to work with - really wet, so the roughness isn't splintery - no splinters yet, without gloves.
Got the roof framing finished today - pool guys got the slopes done by hand, lined it with foam, and put the liner in just as I left - they vacuum it all night mehind the liner as they fill it (we can do that now!)
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I'll finish decking and tarpaper tomorrow; shingle Friday
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Forrest - finally dry
Edited 4/9/2008 7:36 pm ET by McDesign
Comin' right along and lookin' good, nicely scaled.
Do you know what the gray pool base consists of? I ask because it used to be vermiculite/portland and I'm curious what's being used in place of the vermiculite.
It's just coarse (mixed) sand and Portland - 6-1/2 bags for that. 2-4" thick, depending on the area.
Forrest
Today - added the shed on the back for equipment coverage - a way to use the extra wood. Just for cuteness, I had all three roof planes intersect at one point. Will work up some columns back here - have to check CraigsList!
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Liner in; filling the pool since 7 last night through two garden hoses - maybe finished tomorrow afternoon -
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Edited 4/10/2008 7:27 pm ET by McDesign
What is the ground around the pool house getting, pavers?
jt8
So what was that like?It was like coming THIS close to your dreams. And then watch them brush past you like a stranger in a crowd. At the time you don’t think much of it. You know we just don’t recognize the most significant moments of our lives while they’re happening. Back then I thought, “well, there’ll be other days.†I didn’t realize that that was the only day. --FoD
Outside the 3' concrete apron will be pavers - as much as 20' in some places.
Forrest
Will you being putting a clear sealer on the inside of that building. Seems to me that that wood will dry and become a hair splinter heaven when bathers touch the walls.
They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.
Sealer - maybe. Might spray on some thinned white to "pickle" it. Client wants to see how it works out natural first.
Forrest
When I asked the question I was thinking of a sauna I built and didn't quite get some metal fasteners set deep enough.
Bare skin and rough wood (or hot metal) just don't make for a good combination. Tough on tender skin!
They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.
The two benches and stall wall/door will be sanded and finished for sure. Just not sure about the rest.
Forrest
Watching the pool heater run yeaterday, made me think. House now has two gas furnaces, three heat pumps, and the pool heat pump.
Bet that meter spins!
Seems like some early advance planning would have resulted in a boiler and a chiller, or geothermal.
Forrest
Edited 4/12/2008 11:06 am ET by McDesign
I agree with your geothermal comment. How is it that the heat pumps outnumber the furnaces? I'm assuming you are talking about hybrid systems.John
J.R. Lazaro Builders, Inc.
Indianapolis, In.
No - they have that many systems - house was significantly added onto twice, (I did one), plus the new pool.
Kinda of a convoluted house.
One gas furnace / AC handles the original downstairs. One heat pump does the garage / bonus room section (added 7-8 years ago). One gas furnace / heat pump (dual fuel) system does the downstairs of my addition. One heat pump does the new upstairs addition I did. One heat pump I had installed as part of that project services the old upstairs.
Now the pool heat pump
Forrest
McD,
I spent a few summers installing vinyl liner in-ground pools, mostly in NY and NJ. The pool dealers I subbed from usually provided inch and a half black poly pipe for the plumbing.
One time I had an extra fifty foot roll so I decided to experiment with it's potential as a solar collector. I simply laid it out in a sunny spot, adding an elbow+pipe on the suction end, plumbing my spare pool pump into the loop.
Very rudimentary, just hung the suction end over the coping and left the discharge end resting on the coping being held down by a cement block. Primed the pump and plugged it in.
It wasn't miraculous but it worked pretty well. There was a rise of about five degrees as a result of running through that fifty feet of pipe, during mid-day sun. I imagine a similar gain could be attained by increasing the length of pipe to one hundred feet, without slowing the rate of flow by very much.
I've yet to have a pool of my own to continue experimenting with but I'm sure that a more effective collector could be made using that same, very inexpensive poly pipe.
Edited 4/12/2008 8:54 pm by Hudson Valley Carpenter
My mom had a solar heater on the last house in Florida. It worked very well. But the new house has a heat pump on the pool. Bad move in my opinion.John
J.R. Lazaro Builders, Inc.
Indianapolis, In.
I agree about heating a swimming pool with solar. It's an almost perfect application.
My original plan was to do something along those lines to heat my pool in CT. Thought about burying a run of black pipe in the slate-covered patio that surrounds the pool, or possibly a loop of black poly pipe on the pergola's roof.Ended up doing neither. When building, I had them tint the plaster (shotcrete pool) to a medium gray. With solar gain only, in summertime the water temp hangs right around 89 degrees.The propane pool heater does get used to fire up the hot tub, which gets used about 4-5 mights a week. But with the water already in the high 80s, I'm looking at a delta-T of only about 15 degrees.I do heat the pool a couple times, once early spring and again late fall, for the kids' pool opening and closing parties.But even with that hot tub usage, it's nice that the original estimate from the pool company that we'd use 600-800 gallons of propane a year turned out to be far overstated. We use about a tenth of that per year.
what about embedding the poly pipe into an ashpalt driveway?? my driveway heatsup something fierce when the sun is pounding down... its only 50 feet from where the pool will be? .. might be worth the experiment? is poly strong enough to drive over? :)
Having a thickness of pipe in just 3"-4" of asphalt might result in some sort of telegraphing of the pipe location through to the surface of the asphalt. Plus maintaining the pipe's integrity when placing the hot asphalt?Putting the pipe on grade and then placing 3" to 4" of asphalt over it would work fine I think with regards to the telegraphing. But still, an installation question that I can't answer...would the hot asphalt placed on top of the on-grade pipe melt the pipe during installation, and/or would circulating water through the pipe when the asphalt is being placed and rolled be effective in maintaining the integrity of the pipe?If you're in a freeze climate you'd want to blow out the line in winter.
is poly strong enough to drive over? :)
Poly pipe has a lot of limitations regarding strength. I wouldn't bury it under a driveway. Using Schedule 80 PVC would be a whole lot safer in my opinion.
I described my experiment as a cheap way to start playing with solar, nothing more. Because poly pipe comes in big rolls and is somewhat flexible, it can be laid out in a coil shape on any flat surface, without much work or additional plumbing fittings.
If I were going to try improving on what I described in that previous post, I probably build a simple 8'X8' frame and cover it with some treated or painted plywood.
Then I arrange a 100' roll of inch and a half poly on it in a loose coil, fastening the pipe in place with galv straps. I'd cut a hole in the center of the plywood to allow one end of the coil to be plumbed out that direction. The other end would run off the outside to the plywood and back to the pool.
Then I'd raise the "collector" to face south at the optimum angle of elevation, staking and bracing it firmly in place. If I didn't have a spare pool pump I'd probably replumb the discharge side of the installed pump with a four way ball valve, thus allowing me the option of running the filtered water through the collector.
I make no claims as to how well such a collector might work but, given that the pool pump has to run 6 or more hours a day to keep the pool water clean, there's no reason not to run it during mid day and give this idea a try.
Edited 4/15/2008 5:20 pm by Hudson Valley Carpenter
Back on this tomorrow - need to get windows and doors in, and box in the rakes and eaves prior to siding. Will wrap everything with 30# paper first.x
Need to figure out how to address this bird nest catcher (hard to see in the afternoon), and the one on the back side - don't really want to just extend the siding over; would look "wrong". Think I'll trim it out it as is, and put screen over it in the plane of the wall.
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Here's my ventilatation scheme - drop the ridge board 4", hold the 1x sheathing back, and use CobraVent.
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Forrest
Edited 4/17/2008 10:27 pm ET by McDesign
I like it all. What a great kids playhouse that would make. Also for poolboy and lady of the house <g>.
Hawks--mind in the gutter tonight.The best reward for a job well done is the opportunity to do another.
Looks great Forrest!Silly building question of the morning... Does dropping the ridge open the bottom 4" of that board up to warping? And, what structural effect does that now provide? IOW if that's a 2x10 and you drop it 4" would a 2x6 in full contact with the rafters provide the same benefits?Steve - not a framer'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
I don't know! Seems pretty well-constrained - I'll watch and see what happens.
And speaking of <Steve - not a framer>,
I noticed in the new FHB Houses issue yer quoted as giving electrical advice now - neat!
Forrest - not all I want to be
I saw that! Good thing I wasn't offering half-baked ideas. LOLYes, keep me posted on how that ridge board works out. I'm curious.Looking forward to the rest of this thread. Friends of ours just had a neighbor's cherry tree go down and lost the shade for their patio. Instead of waiting for a new tree to grow up, I thought, 'pergola!' We'll see if I can convince them to build one. What better way to work out the kinks than practicing at their house. Or maybe Ray Davies' house. ;)'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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FR,
Zat cherry tree worth cutting up/planing down for furniture-grade wood???
http://www.grosshillrentals.com
You don't think I asked that very question when I heard about the tree? ;)Probably could have salvaged something small from it, but their neighbors had it taken down and trucked away by the time I got there.'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
Dropping that ridge is interesting. I will have to think on that for a while.
not much to think about all the bearing pressure of the rafter is on the bottom
I understand. If the rafters were hanging a couple of inches deeper than the ridge, it would not pass inspection here. I assume that the method shown would be accepted by our building inspector, but one never knows until one tries.
The thinking has more to do with the implications of the unusual venting pattern. That's the part that I have never seen done and that I haven't completely thought through.
Hey!
Hangin' here...
Don't leave us!
Please!A La Carte Government funding... the real democracy.
Got the windows and doors in; cool vented watertable made and installed today; cornerboards and siding tomorrow
Here's today's work - holesaw trying to break my arm (why didn't I bring the side handle?)
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Forrest
Edited 4/22/2008 9:54 pm ET by McDesign
'bout got thrown from a ladder yestidy cutting a hole w/o handle... lesson learned.
You put the vent screens in those holes b4 covering?
I like the venting idea and will accept your unbiased report of their effectiveness. I installed three circle vents in each gable ona a 20x34 garage attic and was amazed at the difference in temps. Your idea may be just the ticket to getting those temps to tolerable working environment.
Keep em comin', please.A La Carte Government funding... the real democracy.
I just used scraps of regular screen over the whole outside - didn't want to buy (36) of the little 3" louvered deals - just a lot of 2-1/4" screened holes.
Forrest
Made the five corner boards yhis morning - I hate loose fitting ones, so I nail and glue them together in the shop, and make them to stand off the actual corner - truer that way over the 30# paper. these are 5" on the front and 4-1/4" on the sides
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Forrest
Edited 4/23/2008 9:29 pm ET by McDesign
Looking great...with the bed of the truck hidden in the last shot I must admit that my first thought was "zebra rustling" ;)
What's the material for the corner boards and siding?
Inquiring minds want to know. Looks great BTW.John
J.R. Lazaro Builders, Inc.
Indianapolis, In.
Thanks - corner boards and trim are a synthetic (PVC, mostly) called TuffBoard - even rated for ground contact. Siding is something cementitious like Hardi, a little thicker - no factory primer. My main complaint against Hardi is that it looks too thin at the edges.
I found the siding on CraigsList - a builder north of Atlanta has a pole barn full of various sizes for good prices - not sure what the story is.
Probably made from old Cheerios boxes.
Forrest
I've only used the PVC trim once to trim around some basement windows that I installed. I did like how it worked. I don't recall the brand but remember that it wasn't Azek.
I haven't used Hardi yet, so I can't compare. We've used Certainteed since we switched to fibercement. No complaints. I was carrying 3 pieces around a house yesterday on a sunroom addition that we are doing and went to lift them onto the sawhorses and snapped all 3 before I could blink.John
J.R. Lazaro Builders, Inc.
Indianapolis, In.
Forrest,
Those outside corners are nice.
I usually use 5/4 or 6/4 depending on the siding thickness. What are the corners made of?
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Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
What are the corners made of?
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My Bad! I was replying to .92 before I got to .95
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Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
No prob - I do that.
Here are two of my three quikee (fakee) gable louvers this morning. I say fake, 'cuz they will have glass behind them to seal.
I want all my intake air to come from floor level, but one expects to see something on a gable - otherwise it just looks like a big forehead!
I timed the third one - from 12' lengths of 1x2 and 1x4 boards to finished in 44 minutes. Figure I've got $7 in materials in each! (great TuffBoard deal last month).
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Because of the way my drawings looked, I decided to locate the louvers differently - the louver in the small gable (2" shorter than the other two) abuts the trim board; the two in the larger gables are dropped about 8" fronm the trim board
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Forrest - soffits to go
Edited 4/25/2008 9:53 pm ET by McDesign
http://forums.taunton.com/n/mb/at.asp?webtag=tp-breaktime&guid=362AC4FB-D6ED-49A2-B9F2-8104C48A36F0&frames=no
Man, that looks nice! The trim really frames the siding well with the added relief, and the scale all works well.
Thanks.
I find that if I draw everything out beforehand, I can juggle the proportions around on screen to where it looks right (to me, anyway!)
I have a sneaking suspicion that almost ALL modern trim details are undersized.
Forrest
I love the corner board detail.
Forrest,
First off, let me say I love to see your work. You, Steven1, Mike Maines and many others here really define Carpenter.Now, a question about venting the watertable. How does air enter the watertable? Is it open at the bottom? Also, do you apply the screen between the tar paper and the sheathing?I notice you are using a ridge vent and vents at the gables, will you also vent the soffits?EDIT: I see now (after closer inspection) that you are not venting the soffits. Is that right?Thanks for sharing your work.
Edited 4/29/2008 11:48 am ET by Ryan1
Thanks - right, the eaves and louvers will be sealed - the goal is to make it 12-15' vertical from intake to exhaust to encourage a chimney effect.
Forrest
Finished up the mechanical (plumbing & elec milestone).
Client came in as I was cleaning the lettering off the exposed piping with acetone - perfect timing! Supplies pitched downhill to drain in winter at a buried access point.
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Neat light I found - 100W CFL (Mogul base); the lumens of a 1000W incandescent - less than $60 at Depot.View Image
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Forrest - not a plumber OR an electrician
Edited 5/2/2008 9:50 pm ET by McDesign
surely you must be working on something else of intrest by now
Wish I'd seen that light prior to installing a back light on the project house. But I probably wouldn't have wanted to shell out $60. Was that for the whole fixture or just the bulb?
http://www.amazon.com/Mogul-HighMax-Compact-Fluorescent-Maxlite/dp/B00149L4OM/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&s=home-garden&qid=1210265568&sr=1-9jt8
My advice to you is not to inquire why or whither, but just enjoy your ice cream while it's on your plate-- Thornton Wilder
That was for the complete fixture, including bulb, at Depot. That is the bulb.
Here's some more pix - that last guy seemed bored, but here's what's been going on.
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This scared the wheee out of us yesterday morning - I was behind the poolhouse, and was sure the guys had driven the Bobcat into the pool - it was LOUD. Luckily, it was next door, at the brother's house. I had my business card to them before the leaves quit trembling.View Image
My solution for the ceiling under the shed - the shed was a change order, so I always try to use what I have in stock - in this case, extra siding and cheap TufBoard and an old piece of C-channel. Diagonals were to see if the HO wanted (decorative) braces - she does.View Image
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Forrest - trying not to bore anyone
Edited 5/8/2008 8:30 pm ET by McDesign
"...trying not to bore anyone"
Never!
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I think the bored guy's tongue was in his cheek....
If not, too bad for him. Great thread! I love your practical, geterdone ideas.
Here's some more pix - that last guy seemed bored, but here's what's been going on.
I read it as saying he was ready for either new pics of this project or pics of a new project, not that he was bored with this one. You can't feed us daily pics of a project and then dry up for a week. We get used to a certain speed and dose and you can't just make us cold cold turkey.
Can you tell the poolhouse is supposed to echo the main house?
They've got that... Arts & Crafts? extended overhang on the pool house and on part of the main house. I can't tell for sure, but it looks like you need to extend the overhand on the front of the house to really get everything in harmony. :)
Diagonals were to see if the HO wanted (decorative) braces - she does
She's probably short. As a tall person, I like decorative braces up high, but not where I'm going to run into them.
jt8
My advice to you is not to inquire why or whither, but just enjoy your ice cream while it's on your plate-- Thornton Wilder
not bored at all. love your post just hadn't seen you post anything in awhile figured you were on to something cool like that new bridge project?
No prob - big bridge should be this fall - they had lots of house and yard stuff they wanted to do first, apparently.
Forrest
Still pecking away - other things have come up. Finally decided how I wanted to do the soffits.
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Forrest - nine colors of paint on the other side now - client having trouble deciding . . .
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Nice soffit detail. Brings it all together.
Forrest,
I hope you'll still post weekend projects from your abode...
I like to jump, think and execute on the way to a finished product...
I only wish I could do that as well as you.
Nice outcome.A La Carte Government funding... the real democracy.
Thanks!
Here's the patterned look - client still working on her color choice!
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Looks like it will be the extreme lower right - kinda' gray-blue
Forrest
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Gable detail today - someone here had a sunburst design posted in the last few days that got me to thinking - meant to thank them, but couldn't find the thread.
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And yes, the cobra-vent has been affixed in the center now
Forrest - winding down
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Now thats cool!
When ya start the suit and tie job?Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
Click away from here
Do not click here what ever ya do
Bad things happen to those who click themselves
June 1, therabout. Still gotta pas my drug test!
Forrest - short-timer
You gettin a hair cut and all that?
I think we have to give ya a new suit and 40 bucks on yer way out.
Cover up the tatts, too's.
Edit: Ohhh, can I have yer pillow?
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Do not click here what ever ya do
Bad things happen to those who click themselves
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That sounds VERY much like the voice of experience.The best reward for a job well done is the opportunity to do another.
How would YOU know? (G)Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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New book alert; Eckhart Tolle "A new earth"
A must read.
<giggle>
Forrest
Ask Forrest.The best reward for a job well done is the opportunity to do another.
He'd make a good celly, imagine the tattoo gun he'd make outta a cassette motor a toothbrush and a guitar string and a ball point pen.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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New book alert; Eckhart Tolle "A new earth"
A must read.
You know waaaaay too much about inside. Scary huh?
edit: he'd (Forrest) probably have a decent applejack recipe to.
The best reward for a job well done is the opportunity to do another.
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I think it would do everyone some good to spend a few weekends in the County Hotel, it helps ya realise what your freedom is really worth.
Never made apple jack but I can split a cardboard match slikker than snot, and hide em, along with quarters using toothpaste. LOLSpheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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New book alert; Eckhart Tolle "A new earth"
A must read.
Not to distract y'all from fond memories, but the poolhouse is finished, short of scraping the glass. I really love making "crispy" trim-to-field paint lines, and tasty trim. Working on the pergola now.
Landscaping to come next week -
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Bathroom door on left; meant to be sort of notionally concealed -
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Decorative conceit - it is my swan song, after all -
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Forrest
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Nice! The Red Badge of Splurge-age?
I am eagerly awaiting the pergola. Got a feeling it's going to be worth the wait.
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Pergolating today - here are all the pieces cut; columns are in and plumbed; will pour 2-3' of Sakrete into each tomorrow -View Image
Bases and capitals on. Lanscaping going in today as well. I think (230) individual plantings! -
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Forrest - with the nice truck
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Forrest - with the nice truck
So - did ya get a parking space with a sign for baby at the new gig?
Grant -looking for new tailgate for mine since the forklift operator dropped a 1000 lb pallet of copper on it.
Hmm. The tag outweighed the post. http://grantlogan.net
Who got Bo Diddley's money?
I'll have to see about a sign. Monday's the day. I hope to finish pergolating this weekend, then I'll be clean and cool all summer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Forrest - tired of being icky
We should start a pool on how long before Forrest get antzy at the new desk job. I'm guessing he will start out all excited and enthused but that over time we'll start to see cracks. And then eventually his need for creative outlets will start to bust at the seams.
Just have a hard time picturing him sitting at a desk for 40 hrs. :)
jt8
"If we don't put effort into creating what we want, we must then put effort into coping with what we have." --EPNIA
And then eventually his need for creative outlets will start to bust at the seams.
Nah. I bet he'll be around here more than ever. They've probably got internet access at the new job.
Just have a hard time picturing him sitting at a desk for 40 hrs.
I bet he sits at a desk 40 hrs a week now. There's just not many photo ops.
Grant - paramutualinghttp://grantlogan.net
Who got Bo Diddley's money?
Forrest, Smith, you, theslateman, and a few others are prime pic posters for neat projects. Hate to loose one of the prime ones. Must get my project picture fix :)
And speaking of which, when was the last pics you fed us? jt8
"If we don't put effort into creating what we want, we must then put effort into coping with what we have." --EPNIA
when was the last pics you fed us?
We've just ben doing run of the mill stuff lately. Set up scaffold on a mcmansion turret yesterday. While the house isn't too interesting to me, the layout on the turret might be.http://grantlogan.net
Who got Bo Diddley's money?
Hey, that kind of reminds me of home. Where all the fat Romans hang out poolside.
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When can I move in?'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
Forrest,
Everything looks great. Looks like a nice job to finish things with.
I have a question about the pergola. How are the columns installed? Did you install posts set into the ground before the pavers were installed?. Also, do you have a photo of the pavers around the base of the columns.
Did the landscapers continue with the existing pattern or did they lay a frame around the base of the columns?
Hope that's not to many questions.
Thanks,
Aaron
I did a separate little thread about that - http://forums.taunton.com/tp-breaktime/messages?msg=105500.1.
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As far as layout, I told the paver contractor I wanted my (6) column bases on somewhere between 9-10' centers. He figured what would best work in his pattern, and left (4) 6x6 pavers in a 2x3 grid about 9-1/2' X 19'. He also flattened out his drainage pitch in the whole 10x20' area.
After they were finished and gone, I pulled the squares and dug straight down. I then designed my pergola beam spacing to match that layout
This AM, I went and poured about 3' of Sakrete in each column to tie them to the rebar pins, then whacked around the bottoms with a rubber mallet. Got a good idea about the tops I'll post next.
Forrest
Questions about your perg:
Where'd the posts come from? Are those those fingerjointed porch columns? Or real turnings? Or??
How do they tie in to the rebar? Are they composite and you'll crete down in them?
(did I miss the answers previously?)
What's the upper material?
It's always interesting what you guys can get in the South, vs. what we can get in the PAC NW.
Thx,
Pat - curious...
The columns are HB&G PermaCast, fiberglass/cementitious composite. ~$200 and ~80#.
FIL had the FJ wood ones on a couple of pergolas; they failed pretty quickly in the wind. I had a thread about replacing his with these a few years ago -
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http://www.hbgcolumns.com/roundcolumns.html They're in Alabama - long way from you.
I've used them a lot, have great success with them - cut with a circ saw; can split and re-glue with PL400 invisibly (not for load-bearing!)
Here are some 22" X 20' fluted ones - about $5K apiece - frightening to erect by myself!
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Forrest
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Forrest, you are my secret internet construction hero...
Please don't go.
I'm honored!
Assembled the pergola today. It's fairly big - right at 12' X 12' X24'.
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I'll paint the columns mornings before my desk job; will build two swings and two benches in the shop
Forrest - all sweaty and gross
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Very cool. Perfect swan song.The best reward for a job well done is the opportunity to do another.
Forrest,
As always, great work!
Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
Got a pergola column update last night.
Those two pergolas at my FILs on the Chesepeake? Big storm Saturday night, says DW, who's there.
80 mph sustained, according to the anemometer.
Stripped shingles (I put them on in 1989), trees over, wiped out all the porch furniture and screening. Blew the little two-man sailboat off the trailer
Pergolas never moved. They've got a big threaded rod up each one, through a 1/2" plate on top; we preloaded each one to ~6000 lbs.
Forrest
How did you calculate the amount of preload, I mean the actual measurement ?
Giant torque wrench? I am sitting here wondering how that is done.
They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.
Yes! A big torque wrench! My FIL is an engineer, too, and he figured that given the pitch of the threads,and the reading on the wrench, we could get fairly close - ignoring thread friction.
Guess we shoulda' got a really big bolt-stretch gauge.
Forrest
Thanks I was curious. Figured it was done with all that hated math stuff.
;-)
They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.
If you guys ever need something put on with a LOT of torque, just hire one of those tech's from Quickie Lube where they do the oil changes
Yea you got that right.
They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.
Looks great how many sq ft is this? Thanks
That's Forrest's project. Much as I'd like to take credit for it...It is a beauty though, isn't it!'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
Its~ 164 square feet - 10x10 and 8x8'
Forrest
I haven't been keeping up on all the threads, so am gonna have to ask... How is the office job going? Walls closing in on you yet? Does looking out the window and seeing glorious, sun filled days make you fidgit in yer chair? :)
LOL, by mid-July I'm usually thankful to be working in the AC.
jt8
"A little 'enthusiasm' and all problems seems small!"
Office job is great. Nice and cool in here as I read BT instead of lunch. Did you know BT has no calories?
I have a nice ground-level view of the woods, and of the winding walkway through them to the super-nice model shop.
Forrest
Tell us more about the super-nice model....=====Zippy=====
You should see her shop!
Forrest
Neighbors enjoying the completed Poolhouse / Pergola.
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Forrest - used to be a GC, once
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Ah Forrest you'll always be a builder held in the highest regard.
Plus you'll have time, money, and energy to appreciate it now.
Thank you! DW's telling me now I can finish painting the house, since I just sit all day, and can't be tired!
Forrest - no longer working half-days (6-6)
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You gonna play that thing?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32Ln-SpJsy0
I did do the ropes, though that's not the final arrangement at the bottom - I'm just waiting for the ropes to weather to length to do the knots correctly. The top eyes are done; rewoven into an eye around a thimble. That 7/8" tarred manilla is too cool to work with.
My shop smells great, what with the teak and manilla smells.
Forrest
<My shop smells great, what with the teak and manilla smells.>
Yea, with the new gig and all, ya probably don't want it smellin like hemp.The best reward for a job well done is the opportunity to do another.
LOL!
Forrest - no sir, I never touch it.
Here's a detail with my scarf joint -
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Forrest
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I did one of them in a ridge beam in NC a few yrs ago..it was a DF 6X14 in two pcs, jsut for pretty not structural.
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You gonna play that thing?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32Ln-SpJsy0
Looks really good!What kind of paint did you use on those columns?Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
Thanks - I used Porter's exterior; whatever their top-end is. White semi-gloss and satin blue/grey. It has a nice body to paint with, and is ~$22, versus SW Duration at $50.
Forrest
Why's it not level? Looks like its listing to starboard.
Edit: ok, must be an optical delusion..carry on. Nice work on the finial touch.
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New book alert; Eckhart Tolle "A new earth"
A must read.
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I really love making "crispy" trim-to-field paint lines, and tasty trim.
You don't like making "crispy" muntin to glass lines? Sorry - I already know the answer. Looks great. http://grantlogan.net/
But you all knew that. I detailed it extensively in my blog.
<muntin to glass lines?>
Ba dump bump!
Actually, all the doors are used - slopping it on seals up the edges, me thinks.
Forrest - defensive
Looks really great!
I agree. You have to paint a sash like that to seal the glass in.
Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
I really love making "crispy" trim-to-field paint lines, and tasty trim.
I, too, love the results.... not so much the painting, but the prep and the results. Kinda like zipping up an evening gown on a beautiful woman.
You have plenty weekends' worth of painting at home. You'll still be doing it when you retire.
Post pics, please.A La Carte Government funding... the real democracy.
Coolest pool house ever! I'm glad to see that they chose a color which compliments your design and work, so well.
When ya start the suit and tie job?
WHAT?! Did I miss a thread somewhere?!jt8
My advice to you is not to inquire why or whither, but just enjoy your ice cream while it's on your plate-- Thornton Wilder
Yep.
Forrest
Help me out here, where's the link?!
jt8
My advice to you is not to inquire why or whither, but just enjoy your ice cream while it's on your plate-- Thornton Wilder
yep.
SphereSpheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Do not click here what ever ya do
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When ya start the suit and tie job?
Forrest decides to become a tailor'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
<<someone here had a sunburst design posted in the last few days that got me to thinking - meant to thank them>>Probably PeterJ's detail in the "Going Dutch" thread in the Photo Gallery. I really like the corner boards that way you did. I've been stalling on that detail on my own house; thanks.
Forest I noticed in your picture of the plumbing, the white PVC looks perfect and with no purple primer slopped all over everything (which is how I would have done it)How do you do it and keep it so neat looking?Thanks!+++Spring Break = Summer Broke
You can buy clear PVC primer...or be very careful.
Aha!
Be careful with the purple primer, don't dribble coming from the can, always hold stuff with the primer end down 'til it dries, be sparing with the glue, wipe off squeeze-out quickly, and clean off the lettering with acetone and paper towels.
CPVC use the yellow primer/glue combo, clean the same way.
I would only do that where it shows, for sure!
Forrest
Wow!
Is the house that big or just that convoluted? I think I would have looked at ways to do some zoning just to cut down on the amount of equipment........or like you stated earlier, geothermal.John
J.R. Lazaro Builders, Inc.
Indianapolis, In.
House isn't really that big - under 5000, I think. Just cut up and no big picture planning.
Forrest
McDesign,
As always, enjoy watching the threads come together.
Just curious. Did the RS lumber come from the trees removed on site?
-D
Boy, that would have been cool! I think the two big trees taken down were an oak and a pecan, and a couple of mimosas. The hardwoods did get turned into firewood, I believe.
The RS pine I used came from an interesting retired guy's (band)sawmill just west of Dallas, GA. He has some sort of deal with GA Power, and gets trees cleared from power and phone line right-of-ways.
He also has a stock of old "spike-climbing practice poles" from their training academy - they're treated, but not with creosote, and get replaced when the outside gets too splintery. We're hoping to use them to saw out the 2x8s for the 48' arched bridge I'll (hopefully) build end of summer.
Beautiful wood, straight, really well sawn - about $.50 a board foot for pine cut to order - he'll do custom sawing of hardwoods, too. I believe he can do up to 18" X 18" x 20'. For anybody in the area (75-100 miles from Atlanta), he's worth a look.
Forrest
Bleached it all Friday; let the 3" of rain Saturday rinse it off. Note the sheathing above the top plate is artistically splayed, and at a different angle to intersect the roof plane perpindicularly -View Image
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I left the ladder there to get a sense of the real size - that's a 12' stepladder, and the doorway is almost 10' tall (transom above). Eave and rake overhangs are ~29"; ~21" on the smaller section. Pool is 40' left to right.
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that's too bad, if it was warmer, you could actually use that pool ;)
Look ma, no jigs!!!
Love the look.
It's like painting with wood.
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"Welcome to Poo-ville, can I have your socks?Seriously Folks, I need a home for 3 lovers of your life.
Forrest,
That looks really nice. Good proportions.
Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
If I read Forrest's posts correctly, that is, indeed, diagonal sheathing. He'll be installing fiber-cement clapboards on the exterior. The rough-sawn diagonal pine will be visible from the interior (no interior wall finishes).
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When do they plan on movin' in? That's gonna be in the top 1% -2% of southern out buildings. Jeff Foxworthy or Larry the cable guy could do a whole stand-up routine on that thang.
"You know you're NOT a redneck if your outhouse has Hardi siding on it."
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BTDT with the front dumps. Always an adventure when they get mired in. I had one job years ago that we had a D-8 cat hook to the front of the redi-mix truck to haul them into and back out of the site. Already had towed a pump truck in before the mud showed up. Ahh the good old days.
They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.
You know, this is probably one of the "greenest" buildings so far that I've seen in a while.http://grantlogan.net/
But you all knew that. I detailed it extensively in my blog.
Green AND slick AND furry!
Forrest
BLIZZARD hit and my mile long drive needed a back hoe to dig me out, then the truck was from FLA and had no decent tires.
Kid moved in for a few months many years ago, during mud season. Rental stuck up to the axle. Wife flagged down a passing empty logging truck. Driver lifted the rental up and moved it to firm ground. Life in the boonies.
The pool guy has his own personal well. But, we're off whatever drought category we were in - now we're just in "Extreme Drought". That's better, somehow.
Forrest
I would do the top in 3x or 4x stock and then 4x4 on top.WHY DO I HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO FRIENDS AND FAMILY THAT BEING A SOLE PROPRIETOR IS A REAL JOB?
REMODELER/PUNCHOUT SPECIALIST
Really cool 40' swinging vine all the kids enjoyed (nine on it this afternoon)
I have an uncle who had used a bow & arrow to shoot a string over a very high branch. He then used the string to pull a rope up. Ended up rigging up a swing just a foot or two above the ground. That swing had an amazing arc to it.
jt8
"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
-- Mark Twain
I saw similar vines in the back woods of the snobdivision in the St. Louis subs. In the summer, it was easy to see they was poison ivy, but not in the winter. Huge vines.
That swing had an amazing arc to it.
John,
That's a wonderful experience and a fond memory for many of us. There's something unique about swinging in a big arc under a really big old tree, even for older people.
My sister and I were invited to visit a couple who'd been friends of our parents, at their home, a few years ago, soon after our mother had passed. We were both over fifty at the time.
They made a point of taking us out to the back yard where there was a swing on thirty+ foot long ropes, under a magnificent old oak tree. They coaxed us both into trying out their family treasure.
It was an experience which I've never fully grasped. I can only say that my spirits were lifted to unexpected heights. The same was true for my sister.
The oak tree seemed to be part of it all, it's spirit soaring with ours.
Our friends confirmed that they and their children had been having the same wonderful experience, since they first put the swing up, forty-some years before.
It was very compassionate and generous of them to share that with us, at a difficult time.
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