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Re-plan this bedroom suite

Gene_Davis | Posted in General Discussion on June 7, 2008 04:20am

Trying to think through a bedroom suite that is under the roof as a half-story, I came up with this.

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The original concept had it under a 12:12 roof, and thus there was more room.  What you see here has the bath under a shed dormer, a small shed dormer in the BR, and a wierd arrangement of doors because it is desired to be able to access the bath from outside without entering the BR, and then also to be able to close off the bath-BR as a suite for total guest privacy.

The flat ceilings in the bath and dormer are 7’4″, and the slopes in the BR go up to where it flats out at 9’1″.  The funky little space in the BR corner near the shower is where the closet was before.

I’m a second story guy, but not a half second story guy, and I thought some of you design/build pros out there might be able to advise a sensible change or two.

 

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“A stripe is just as real as a dadgummed flower.”

Gene Davis        1920-1985

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    McDesign | Jun 07, 2008 04:29am | #1

    First thought would be to explore rotating the entry cube 45 degrees CW, and see what that does to the shapes, and to give more of a feel of entering into the centers of the bed and bath.

    Forrest - not a Sketchup guy.

  2. andyfew322 | Jun 07, 2008 05:07am | #2

    I personally am not feeling that bottom wall design w/ the closet and bathroom entry

     

    there's no need to reinvent the wrench

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    Ted W. | Jun 07, 2008 06:55am | #3

    How much of this is already built? I ask becuause my first inclination is to do away with the dormers altogether and build higher. That would give you about twice the space you have now, at a minimal cost.

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  4. JeffinPA | Jun 07, 2008 05:39pm | #4

    Looks like a lot of real estate in the bath for a wall hanger and a neoangle shower.

    I would consider larger vanity in the bath, perhaps not on an angle wall, and a full rect. shower.  (neo angles are snug and not in favor in our marketplace)

    It would help if the door  was off the bedroom and you had a full wall for the vanity wall but if you need that foyer for the opt. privacy or hall bath situ, then that is that.....Unless of course you could add another door into the bath from the hall and have a jack/hall bath.  (ie, Jack and Jill but the other door goes into the hall)

    This way, you could move the bedroom/bath door further down into the room perhaps and loose the foyer gig at the entrance to the bedroom.

     

    That and $1.29 will get you a coffee.

     

    plowing straight ahead come what may.......jb

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      Gene_Davis | Jun 07, 2008 06:47pm | #5

      You are right about the waste of space.  With a heated floor, it can be a pilates studio.

      The size of this bathroom is unchanged from the architect's original concept.  What all this reconfig is about is the need to lower the roof peak, per a permit and deed restriction requirement.  A 12:12 roof is going down to the 10:12 shown.

      The toilet in the alcove and the neo-angle shower is their idea, not mine.  Likewise the pedestal sink.  I put the diag wall in the corner and dropped the pedestal sink there; the sink in the previous plan is against the outside wall, to the immediate R of where the sink is now.  I popped the corner arrangement in so as to get a mirror behind the sink, and some wall lighting.

      Under the 12-pitch roof, it was possible to have the "jack" door enter the bath on the wall to the L of where the corner sink is now.  With the 10-pitch, that's out the window, thus my little suggestion for the three-way vestibule.  The only endwall door that could go into that space under the rafters is one for Fido, or Junior.

      These half-story spaces, with all their angular funk, are time-consuming when it comes to the interior wall framing, the insulation details, and the sheetrock work.  Furthermore, I've only Google Sketchup to use as a tool for analyzing and figuring things; surely one of the powerful arch packages like Chief would make things go more quickly.

      Done well, the living spaces under the roof in the half story, can deliver a great feel.  You know, the vibes you get spending time in a historical B&B that is done to the nines, or staying over at the in-laws summer cottage.  The keywords are "done well," though. 

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      "A stripe is just as real as a dadgummed flower."

      Gene Davis        1920-1985

      1. JeffinPA | Jun 07, 2008 06:53pm | #6

        I still use pencil and paper.  (when I went to engineering school, we had engineering drafting and used pencil and paper and erased when we drew a line in the wrong spot.  For me that still works.

        If I am stuck, I have a few architects I can pay to re-draw and give us some better ideas. 

        90% of the time, client and I work thru it though.

  5. mike_maines | Jun 07, 2008 07:09pm | #7

    We design/build a lot of master bedroom suite additions, and it's often desirable to keep the mass of the new structure as small as possible so it doesn't overwhelm the original house.  So, I understand the need to keep the eaves low and the scale down.

    You might try modifying the vestibule area, with bathroom on one side and walk-in closet on the other side.  We've done a few like this.  Put a regular swinging door at the entry to the suite, and a pocket door at the entrance to the master bedroom proper.  Make the closet 5' wide and stretch the vestibule to match.  It will give you more wall space in the bedroom and the vestibule won't be so cramped.

    Stretching the vestibule would also allow you to get the bathroom door out of the corner.  Walk into the bathroom with the shower on your left, toilet on the other side of that, and a vanity in the alcove where you drew the toilet.

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    CapnMac | Jun 07, 2008 09:05pm | #8

    Take the "kicK" out there are the lavatory, and set it square to the wall.  Then flip the shower over to that same wall, too.  Move the door out of that crowded entry vestibule and move it up to where the shower presently is.

    I'd go with some casework for the lav, and maybe look at two bowls, but one will work beeter and also have storage  above and below.  (You did notice that there is not one place to put folded towels or TP in this spaces, yes?)

    Note that by moving the bath entry door down, you can make the vestibule the same depth as the closet, which is almost always a good thing.  Since there does not seem to be any specific furniture requirement, I'd pull that closet out to the current vestibule depth, and also ditch the framed opening (just a flush opening).

    All you get for 2¢ <g>

    Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)

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