FHB Logo Facebook LinkedIn Email Pinterest Twitter X Instagram Tiktok YouTube Plus Icon Close Icon Navigation Search Icon Navigation Search Icon Arrow Down Icon Video Guide Icon Article Guide Icon Modal Close Icon Guide Search Icon Skip to content
Subscribe
Log In
  • How-To
  • Design
  • Tools & Materials
  • Restoration
  • Videos
  • Blogs
  • Forum
  • Magazine
  • Members
  • FHB House
  • Podcast
Log In

Discussion Forum

Discussion Forum

Recognize these old double hung windows?

Oldcruizer | Posted in General Discussion on April 16, 2020 03:33pm

I bought this house that was constructed in 1988. Currently remodeling. So these are the original wooden double hung windows. Was going to replace some cracked and fogging panes. Also see if possible to make balances work again, as most do not.

Trying to determine how to remove these window sashes. At this point, I believe both sashes have to be removed will still installed in the plastic jambs. Which requires removal of interior window stops (moulding.

·         These sashes do not tilt out.

·         There are no release buttons or levers.

·         The side jambs do not deflect outward to allow the sash to be titled.

House was built in 1988, original wooden double hung windows. Was going to replace some cracked and fogging panes. Also see if possible to make balances work again, as most do not. I have not found any markings to identify manufacturer thusfar.

Balances appear to be an approximately ¼” diameter coil expansion spring, clipped or nailed to the top of the PVC jamb. Fully retracted (or not stretched or expanded, if you will) length of these springs are 28” including a white plastic mechanism attached to end. See “Photo 1 Ends of Spring Balances in Side Jamb” and “Photo 2 Window Balance End Mechanism Closeup” and “Photo 3 Spring Clipped over Top End of Side Jam”.  These end mechanisms of the spring balances are only visible because however they attach to the sides of each sash has broken. When they are visible and exposed in the side jambs with both sashes closed in normal position, that means they are no longer attached to their respective sashes and do not function at all. I found two broken white plastic “clips” laying in the bottom of the side jambs. See “Photo 5 Broken Clips”.

Bottom of the white plastic side jambs appear to lift free of the outer window casing (or perimeter “shell”) with lower sash raised. I only see a single staple holding the top of the side jambs to the outer window casing. One other note there is a metal clip or “staple” in the bottom ends of both upper and lower sashes, See “Photo 4 Metal Clip or Staple on Bottom of Sashes”

Overall window dimension are approximately 61” x 28”. 

If anyone could please confirm the correct sash removal procedure, I would be extremely grateful. If you can identify the balances, that would also be very helpful. I have not seen anything like them on Swisco, Blaine Window, or several other similar sites.

Thanks so much for your help!

Reply
  • X
  • facebook
  • linkedin
  • pinterest
  • email
  • add to favorites Log in or Sign up to save your favorite articles

Replies

  1. andy_engel | Apr 16, 2020 04:56pm | #1

    Nope, sorry. Maybe someone else will.

  2. calvin | Apr 16, 2020 05:41pm | #2

    I know these windows, but damn if it wasn’t several yrs ago.....

    Do you see any letters, code, etc on the glass (usually in a corner) or on the metal spacer between the glass?

    I’ll hunt through old job descriptions in my files which I’ve been shredding from the 70’s........damn fun going through those........let me hunt and see.

    1. calvin | Apr 16, 2020 06:21pm | #3

      Well,
      Searched the remaining files and scanned the QB’s invoice files......found no job for Bill Connolly......a painter I must have done a trade with as there’s no invoice to be found. That goes back to when I switched to QB from 3 part carbon. I’m not looking through the day books at that time period.

      I seem to remember he found the parts for his windows and so I left any info with him I’m sure.

      Also think it was a Michigan window company......

      And maybe it was Simonton........

      I’ll keep thinking and looking.

  3. calvin | Apr 16, 2020 06:51pm | #4

    Here’s something. Give Blaine a call. Hope you can still get a human being (if they’re there). They’ve been great help in the past. Tell them what you have and see what happens.

    And I’m remembering that some of those vinyl liners slide down and toward the other side with both sash up. This allows the removal of the sash. Now, if that’s the case......think through this so the sash don’t knock you out!

    Best of luck, sorry for the no real help.

  4. Oldcruizer | Apr 16, 2020 08:34pm | #5

    There is a SM - 87 stamped in one of the metal frames around the pane.
    Thanks everybody.

    1. calvin | Apr 17, 2020 08:03am | #7

      Bottom of the white plastic side jambs appear to lift free of the outer window casing (or perimeter “shell”) with lower sash raised. I only see a single staple holding the top of the side jambs to the outer window casing. One other note there is a metal clip or “staple” in the bottom ends of both upper and lower sashes, See “Photo 4 Metal Clip or Staple on Bottom of Sashes”

      -————————————————————————————————————————————-

      “. And I’m remembering that some of those vinyl liners slide down and toward the other side with both sash up. This allows the removal of the sash. Now, if that’s the case......think through this so the sash don’t knock you out! “

      Did you check to see if the plastic jamb liner could slide down ?

  5. firedudec56 | Apr 16, 2020 10:16pm | #6

    seems to me the sash comes out when you push "out" on both sides of the vinyl jamb liner at the top rail of the bottom sash, you tilt out the top rail of the lower sash and you can then "unhook" the balances - can't remember where I dealt with windows like that, but I remember taking out some like that. just watch out for the spring to "snap" up when it's unhooked.
    if you have some that aren't working, probably try on those 1st
    the SM-87 might mean they were made in 87 (?)
    good luck

  6. calvin | Apr 17, 2020 08:13am | #8

    I couldn’t let this one go, that nagging need to find an answer. Not onsite and hands on,

    .
    google.

    So I tried these words:

    How to remove vinyl jamb liner

    Might be this.........?

    https://thecraftsmanblog.com/how-to-work-with-vinyl-jamb-liners/

    1. Oldcruizer | Apr 17, 2020 08:34am | #9

      Thanks Calvin, I would agree that article seems to be the best how-to for these windows. I am about to work on them today, so I will keep everybody posted.

      1. calvin | Apr 17, 2020 09:12am | #10

        You’d better report back, I need a memory refresher!

  7. CBJones76 | Apr 17, 2020 10:12am | #11

    It looks like "Sun" brand window. My father was a dealer. They are made in Owensboro, KY. https://www.sunwindows.com The company has has several names: Anderson--(not to be confused with Andersen), AnderSUN, now SUN windows. They usually have a distinctive rectangular latch and a groove in the bottom for a sash lift. The factory had fire at some point so some old parts are limited. Their customer service department sent me some parts a few years ago. Sometimes the latch has Sun or a sun logo engraved in the top. Hope this helps.

    Chris

Log in or create an account to post a comment.

Sign up Log in

Become a member and get full access to FineHomebuilding.com

Video Shorts

Categories

  • Business
  • Code Questions
  • Construction Techniques
  • Energy, Heating & Insulation
  • General Discussion
  • Help/Work Wanted
  • Photo Gallery
  • Reader Classified
  • Tools for Home Building

Discussion Forum

Recent Posts and Replies

  • |
  • |
  • |
  • |
  • |
  • |
View More Create Post

Up Next

Video Shorts

Featured Story

Podcast Episode 689: Basement Garages, Compact ERVs, and Safer Paint Stripper

Listeners write in about ventilation and radon control and ask questions about tightening basement garages, ventilation solutions, and safer paint stripper.

Featured Video

Micro-Adjust Deck-Baluster Spacing for an Eye-Deceiving Layout

No math, no measuring—just a simple jig made from an elastic band is all you need to lay out a good-looking deck railing.

Related Stories

  • Design and Build a Pergola
  • Podcast Episode 689: Basement Garages, Compact ERVs, and Safer Paint Stripper
  • FHB Podcast Segment: Are Single-Room ERVs the Answer?
  • Fire-Resistant Landscaping and Home Design Details

Highlights

Fine Homebuilding All Access
Fine Homebuilding Podcast
Tool Tech
Plus, get an extra 20% off with code GIFT20

"I have learned so much thanks to the searchable articles on the FHB website. I can confidently say that I expect to be a life-long subscriber." - M.K.

Get home building tips, offers, and expert advice in your inbox

Signing you up...

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
See all newsletters
See all newsletters

Fine Homebuilding Magazine

  • Issue 332 - July 2025
    • Custom Built-ins With Job-Site Tools
    • Fight House Fires Through Design
    • Making the Move to Multifamily
  • Issue 331 - June 2025
    • A More Resilient Roof
    • Tool Test: You Need a Drywall Sander
    • Ducted vs. Ductless Heat Pumps
  • Issue 330 - April/May 2025
    • Deck Details for Durability
    • FAQs on HPWHs
    • 10 Tips for a Long-Lasting Paint Job
  • Issue 329 - Feb/Mar 2025
    • Smart Foundation for a Small Addition
    • A Kominka Comes West
    • Making Small Kitchens Work
  • Issue 328 - Dec/Jan 2024
    • How a Pro Replaces Columns
    • Passive House 3.0
    • Tool Test: Compact Line Lasers

Fine Home Building

Newsletter Sign-up

  • Fine Homebuilding

    Home building tips, offers, and expert advice in your inbox.

  • Green Building Advisor

    Building science and energy efficiency advice, plus special offers, in your inbox.

  • Old House Journal

    Repair, renovation, and restoration tips, plus special offers, in your inbox.

Signing you up...

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
See all newsletters

Follow

  • Fine Homebuilding

    Dig into cutting-edge approaches and decades of proven solutions with total access to our experts and tradespeople.

    Start Free Trial Now
    • Facebook
    • Instagram
    • X
    • LinkedIn
  • GBA Prime

    Get instant access to the latest developments in green building, research, and reports from the field.

    Start Free Trial Now
    • Facebook
    • YouTube
  • Old House Journal

    Learn how to restore, repair, update, and decorate your home.

    Subscribe Now
    • Facebook
    • Instagram
    • X
  • Fine Homebuilding

    Dig into cutting-edge approaches and decades of proven solutions with total access to our experts and tradespeople.

    Start Free Trial Now
    • Facebook
    • Instagram
    • X
    • LinkedIn
  • GBA Prime

    Get instant access to the latest developments in green building, research, and reports from the field.

    Start Free Trial Now
    • Facebook
    • YouTube
  • Old House Journal

    Learn how to restore, repair, update, and decorate your home.

    Subscribe Now
    • Facebook
    • Instagram
    • X

Membership & Magazine

  • Online Archive
  • Start Free Trial
  • Magazine Subscription
  • Magazine Renewal
  • Gift a Subscription
  • Customer Support
  • Privacy Preferences
  • About
  • Contact
  • Advertise
  • Careers
  • Terms of Use
  • Site Map
  • Do not sell or share my information
  • Privacy Policy
  • Accessibility
  • California Privacy Rights

© 2025 Active Interest Media. All rights reserved.

Fine Homebuilding receives a commission for items purchased through links on this site, including Amazon Associates and other affiliate advertising programs.

  • Home Group
  • Antique Trader
  • Arts & Crafts Homes
  • Bank Note Reporter
  • Cabin Life
  • Cuisine at Home
  • Fine Gardening
  • Fine Woodworking
  • Green Building Advisor
  • Garden Gate
  • Horticulture
  • Keep Craft Alive
  • Log Home Living
  • Military Trader/Vehicles
  • Numismatic News
  • Numismaster
  • Old Cars Weekly
  • Old House Journal
  • Period Homes
  • Popular Woodworking
  • Script
  • ShopNotes
  • Sports Collectors Digest
  • Threads
  • Timber Home Living
  • Traditional Building
  • Woodsmith
  • World Coin News
  • Writer's Digest
Active Interest Media logo
X
X
This is a dialog window which overlays the main content of the page. The modal window is a 'site map' of the most critical areas of the site. Pressing the Escape (ESC) button will close the modal and bring you back to where you were on the page.

Main Menu

  • How-To
  • Design
  • Tools & Materials
  • Video
  • Blogs
  • Forum
  • Project Guides
  • Reader Projects
  • Magazine
  • Members
  • FHB House

Podcasts

  • FHB Podcast
  • ProTalk

Webinars

  • Upcoming and On-Demand

Podcasts

  • FHB Podcast
  • ProTalk

Webinars

  • Upcoming and On-Demand

Popular Topics

  • Kitchens
  • Business
  • Bedrooms
  • Roofs
  • Architecture and Design
  • Green Building
  • Decks
  • Framing
  • Safety
  • Remodeling
  • Bathrooms
  • Windows
  • Tilework
  • Ceilings
  • HVAC

Magazine

  • Current Issue
  • Past Issues
  • Magazine Index
  • Subscribe
  • Online Archive
  • Author Guidelines

All Access

  • Member Home
  • Start Free Trial
  • Gift Membership

Online Learning

  • Courses
  • Project Guides
  • Reader Projects
  • Podcast

More

  • FHB Ambassadors
  • FHB House
  • Customer Support

Account

  • Log In
  • Join

Newsletter

Get home building tips, offers, and expert advice in your inbox

Signing you up...

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
See all newsletters
See all newsletters

Follow

  • X
  • YouTube
  • instagram
  • facebook
  • pinterest
  • Tiktok

Join All Access

Become a member and get instant access to thousands of videos, how-tos, tool reviews, and design features.

Start Your Free Trial

Subscribe

FHB Magazine

Start your subscription today and save up to 70%

Subscribe

Enjoy unlimited access to Fine Homebuilding. Join Now

Already a member? Log in

We hope you’ve enjoyed your free articles. To keep reading, become a member today.

Get complete site access to expert advice, how-to videos, Code Check, and more, plus the print magazine.

Start your FREE trial

Already a member? Log in

Privacy Policy Update

We use cookies, pixels, script and other tracking technologies to analyze and improve our service, to improve and personalize content, and for advertising to you. We also share information about your use of our site with third-party social media, advertising and analytics partners. You can view our Privacy Policy here and our Terms of Use here.

Cookies

Analytics

These cookies help us track site metrics to improve our sites and provide a better user experience.

Advertising/Social Media

These cookies are used to serve advertisements aligned with your interests.

Essential

These cookies are required to provide basic functions like page navigation and access to secure areas of the website.

Delete My Data

Delete all cookies and associated data