last week i got a call from an old customer.. wanted me to look at her roof
anyways…
we got the job… 62 sq red cedar and a chimney rebuild
the original roof ( i think this will be the third or 4th roof ) was from 1910 ????
and it was all on skip sheathing… so that’s what she wants now
we spec’d taper sawn.. with resawn butts.. a full 5/8″ butt …… almost twice the thickness of an R&R
across the cove ( Mackeral Cove )
is the remains of the 10th tee box…. that vertical stonework that looks like a chimney…. seaward is the 11th tee , also built over the rocks
this was quite a course.. the front nine on Mackeral Cove.. and the back nine on the other side looking towards Narragansett
looking sw you can see past Beavertail towards Block Island
and looking south you look out over Horsehead
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I can just barely make out the (360) area code on that blue label. That stuff's from my neighborhood.
where be that ?.... Oregon... Washington ?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
That would be near me, as well. I have the same area code.You know where I am.=0)
I like a good husky woman. Shows they have sandwich making skills ~Gunner '06
yeah, but i bet it took you 36 hours to open the dam pics
you see the one looking at Horsehead ?
to the left of that ( East ) is where you & Pete were fishing with Bruce
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The 360 area code is just about anything west of the Cascades, with the exception of the immediate Puget Sound area in and around Seattle. Up there you have 206/253/425, for now. I'm on the SW coast with 360. It covers a big area and LOTS of mills....a bad day at the beach is better than a good day anywhere else... :)
>> That would be near me, as well. I have the same area code.Of course, out here in God's country, "near" and "same area code" can take in a lot of territory. The entire state of Montana is one area code. 575 miles from Libby to Alzada.
Hoquim, Washington.
right on the ocean/harbor of Western Washington
There are a few shingle mills around in the Greys Harborarea with one actually in Hoquim(on Fifth street , I think), not sure if it's the same as what's on your label.. a few other 1/2hr up the coast in Ocean City, Pacific beach, and Tahola all of of Hwy 109
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my roofer is only stripping what they can cover in a day
the bottom skip sheath is all being replaced with a PT skip and covered with a white alum break metal
then starter shingles are nailed to give an extension to the edge
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a line is snapped for the overhang ( 3/4" )
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and a 1x6 ( 5 1/2 ) is nailed to the extended shingles for the doubled starters
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here's a happy boy ! great day ..
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looking down the ridge to the end of the garage and the weathervane
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and looking towards the main house with the chimney we have to tear down & rebuild
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here's a good view of the coursing ( 5 1/2" )
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We do skip sheating differently out here in the Great Northwet. Skip sheating goes right on the rafters. That looks odd to me to see the roof sheathed solid, then the skip sheating added. Is that SOP back that way? Who's the cat that won't cop out, when there's danger all about?
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jim , this is the garage roof.. it was added long after the house..
and at one time it had an asphalt roof.. about 30 years ago, they took the asphalt off & skip sheathed over the roof sheathing...
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the main house roof is skip sheathed just like you would think.. and we'll have to tarp the attic when we strip
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Skip sheating goes right on the rafters.
Same here in the dirty mid-east.We change the course of history,everyday people like you and me
Jim,
It's been a couple of years, but here are the last couple we did with skip sheathing.
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We don't do shake very often anymore. When I was younger I'd come out after school and I thought it was so cool to skip sheathe and climb around on the roof. Now shake is about as expensive as tile and most people prefer tile.
that's cool tim...
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Yeah, that's a familiar site, for sure.
Hey - you going to JLCLive in Seattle? You giving any classes or anything?Who's the cat that won't cop out, when there's danger all about?
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I'll be there, but not giving any classes. I might get to help set up, but I'm not sure yet.
I'm taking Gary Katz and Jed Dixon's trim class, and then one right after that on proper flashing, so that will be a long day. I think that is Wed, then I'll be at the Expo Thursday and Friday.
Hard to beleve we used to use those clear #1 cedars to roof corn cribs & barns. Around Iowa they were always applied to 1x4 sheathing with a 1-1/2 in gap between each strip of sheathing.
We regularly found them fully weather tight on 50 yr old roofs.
I always loved applying them;smelled so good. Really didn't like applying split shakes though. Seemed like that was nothing but a tarpaper roof.If you have a problem, don't just talk do something to set it right.
Jim Andersen
Are you providing any labor for the job or is it all management?
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john..... looks like i have subs lined up for the whole thing.. roofing , copper, & masonry
we're still working in Middletown for the next couple weeksMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I can't believe you aren't doing the chimney yourself, it was my favorite part of the "Adverse Conditions" build.Jim
The awful thing is that beauty is mysterious as well as terrible. God and the devil are fighting there, and the battlefield is the heart of man.- Fyodor Dostoyevski
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Man. Beautiful place. I don't like high places so much but looking at that picture I'm thinking I could just about live on that roof.
I have a question about the copper flashing at the peak. I'm on the historical commission in my town here in eastern MA and we're having a cedar shingle roof put on a small 18th century house that's being donated to us by a developer. (Instead of knocking down the old house out front of a new development, the developer restores the exterior and donates it to us. In return we helped him get approval to squish the units a little closer together so he can still build the one he would have put on the spot occupied by the old house.)
I had heard that the copper at the cap is important because rain washes traces of copper (or copper oxide) down the roof and this prevents lichen and moss from growing on the shingles.
The developer's rep I've been talking to says he's never heard that and thinks it's a wives tale. Maybe his roofer knows better but I haven't met the roofer yet.
Does that story about the copper ring true to you?
yes.. some use zinc strips, but according to wood scientists, copper is superior to zinc in preventing algae & lichen
the developer's rep is demonstrating a deficiency in his knowledge, or trying to avoid using the copper
all of the roof shingle mafr's now include copper in their granules as an algae preventer
as to the historical significance, a copper ridge MAY have been used, but it is just as likely to have been a cedar board cap, or a cedar shingle cap
1700's would not likely use that much copper as it was too dear.. by the 1800's , with all the ship building , whaling , & fishing, copper sheet wa a lot more prevalent in New England...
but some research may give the answerMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
what a beautiful site. Wow.
You gonna put the copper ridge cap back on? If they don't want it, I'll take it.
SFor every complex problem, there is a solution that is clear, simple, and wrong.
-H.L. Mencken
We put the Cu cap UNDER the cap course, works well.
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" If ya plan to face tomorrow, do it soon"
I'm going to do a little more research but I think I may urge them to use the copper despite the likely historical inaccuracy. I don't want to leave the town with the problem of a roof that develops problems before its time. As someone else has mentioned here, I've also seen copper placed underneath a cedar cap with just a couple inches of copper exposed at the bottom. That might be a reasonable compromise.
Thanks for the good info and advice!
Lovely pictures.
Gotta ask, outta morbid curiosity...what's the shingles running per sq?
Jason
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Senor Mike
does that $1200 / sq. by chance include tearoff & removal?
yes, everything.. permit, stage, strip, flashing & reroof: materials & labor
doesn't include the chimney workMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Purdy place to work.
installed ? about 1200>>>>>>.WOW...cool. I always wondered how much the 40 something sq I put on my house would have cost.
Looks abso-friggin gorgous you lucky dog you!! Alfred E. Newman for president (we'd be better off)
yeah, now if you could only get the ocean to come up to your back door, you'd be all set. lol.
The ocean is coming to his back door; haven't you heard about global warming. :)If you have a problem, don't just talk do something to set it right.
Jim Andersen
>>>>>>>>>>>>yeah, now if you could only get the ocean to come up to your back door, you'd be all set. lol.Keep voting Republican and it'll be beachfront property soon enough.
"Let's go to Memphis in the meantime, baby" - John Hiatt.
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Gotta bid my first cedar shingle roof in several years. I'm curious how my prices will come out.
"Let's go to Memphis in the meantime, baby" - John Hiatt.
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I'd rather have copper than cedar. jt8
"Success is not the key to happiness. Happiness is the key to success." --Albert Schweitzer
It's about the same price. That's why we don't do much cedar any more.
"Let's go to Memphis in the meantime, baby" - John Hiatt.
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What's the lifespan of a copper roof - maybe 100 years or so? When we ripped off the shake roof from my house it was only 30 years old, and certainly not watertight anymore.
Of course, since I don't have that kind of money, it's a moot point.
stopped over at the end of the day
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and the coursing technique ... using a 1x6 ( 5 1/2" ) board as a spacer and aligner
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a copper vent boot
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and a long view from the north end of Mackeral Cove looking across to the job site
the third house to the left... this shot is taken at the entrance to the causeway that leads to the Ft. Getty campground
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Hoquiam. There's a town that's seen better days. Old logging town on the Olympic Penninsula.
When Kathy and I got married in 1980 my best man came out from MA. We took a drive down to the coast and stopped at a small shingle mill outside Hoquiam - I'm talking like a three man operation. Watched a two fingered man feed one shingle at a time up on edge into the purring teeth of a big old bandsaw - then reach around the other side of the blade to finish the "resaw" and pull away two tapered shingles with his left hand what a second before was a single piece in his right. Enough to turn my stomach, just watching it.
Holy smokes, man. Does that label really say "20 year limited warranty available..."? For 1200 skins/square they better last a heck of a lot longer than that. Who's the cat that won't cop out, when there's danger all about?
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When Kathy and I got married in 1980>>>>>>.
Hey wait a minute copy cat...thats when Katrina and I got married.
No wonder you didn't come to our wedding...and I was mad at you for all these years for nothin'. Go figga!Creation arises, is sustained for awhile, and then things change. That’s the dance.
That comment of life span got me thinking? Well I was trying. Some where back in the head I had read about the non old growth shingles not having nearly the life span.?
I kinda think you could get 50 -60 years pretty easy in the old days.?
It may have been a article in FHB, Many years back.
Also with Mike saying the garage roof was skipped 30 years kinda dates lifespan. Hmm more thought 1910 2007= 100 years 3 roofs 1st 45 2nd 35 3rd 20 nope let's try 40-30-30 Maybe.
i would think the house got a major remodel in 1938... the hurricane put boulders as big as baby buggys thru the south wall that overlooks the cliff
so say 1940 to say 1980 and guessing 1980 to now
and the main roof was toast.... so .. ideal conditions ( skip sheathing ) and 26 years max .. on an 8/12 pitch... not so good
if the pitch is less , the dry cycle is longer ( the shingles get wet all the way thru more often ).. so the longevity decreases on low pitch roofs
lots of the old shingle style houses have painted red cedar siding... in many instances the original shingles are still on .. as long as they keep up the paint jobs , the shingles tend to last forever... but roofs area different thing
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I just have to get over that feeling- All that money and I have to redo it again. Kinda like the lawn, damn I have to mow again.
So about 40 and 27
Did you get a localized number on the Sq cost.
Say 140$ west 190-210$east then full penetrate bath of? =30% longer life would be nice. And considering that cost as a percentage of the installed to add 20 or 30% would be pretty good? I guess I'll try and figure out where I read that info on the shingles. I also remember very simular on bur- roofing due to the decreased quality of the asphalt
Wouldn't over come the boulder dilemma though.
I am gussing the one leg bricker on the roof was the missing mason on adverse conditions.
Anyone here ever use rubber singles? http://www.euroslate.caI think the look is pretty nice and I like the concept of once they are done with their lifetime they can be recycled instead of going to the landfill. I am currently in a conception phase of designing a house and thinking about what materials to use. I am going to try and go with products that pay off in the long run but may cost a fair amount upfront. A 50 year warranty on the product seems like a good thing as long as the company stays in business that long.I might take the risk and go with these singles otherwise I was thinking of going with concrete singles or metal. Copper sounds nice too... though copper effluent from the rainwater on your shingles is terrible for trees - not that the asfault run off is good for the environment either.MG
Have you considered using real slate for this project?
It has a really long track record unlike some of the fake slates on the market now.
Walter
No I hadn't thought of that. One of the things that I like about the euroslate system is that the ridge shingles look exactly like the normal shingles and it gives it a nice seemless material look. I haven't finished my research on what shingle to go with, part of the equation will be cost but I really want to avoid anything that lasts less than 30 years. Does a slate roof have a life time? I assume all roofing products even concrete have some kind of life time? With slate, tile or concrete the limiting factor might be moss going between the material? I believe with concrete you have to enhance the roof support structure to take into account the additional weight load. Does slate require similar enhancements to structure?
Yes, slate has a lifetime-anywhere from 50 to 150 years depending on source of the material.
Moss is not a concern with slate like it is with concrete or the old asbestos tiles.
Ordinarily if the roof pitch is over 8/12 and the roof is properly sized for live and dead loads for your region,slate can be used without further framing. The weight difference of slate to archys is only 5 lbs/sq.'
You can do the ridges with slate too just like the Euro slate
Heres a pic of slate hip caps-the chimney is about to be reflashed.
Yikes! I HOPE that is getting flashed..LOL Ya gotta wonder what some folks were thinking when the bucket of tar is in thier hand.
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Shooting rubber bands at the Moon
I put that up to illustrate a slate hip cap-not superb chimney flashing,cause it's gonzo.
I did that job last Jan-I don't think I have finished pics of the flashing job though.
Oh yeah I knew that, but I just cringed when I saw that chimney and couldn't stop looking at it..kinda like a furry mole on a pretty face..ya just keep staring at it.
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Shooting rubber bands at the Moon
It's obvious that the slatherer was holding stock in the goo company.
Thanks, so basically the slate on the ridge is really just hiding the metal ridge flashing? Any tricks if I plan on having ridge vents for attic ventilation?What are the causes of failure to slate that signifies it is at its end of life?Thanks,MG
Yes with slate hip and ridge caps you should flash with each course to keep water from penetrating,but the look you desired is obtained by using the same material for caps.
A good hard slate will probably last longer than you'll be in the house ,if it's installed properly. Some soft slates like Penn. slate aren't worth installing since the life span might only be 40 years or so before they have become water logged.
Another suggestion might be recycled slate-since your initial post seemed to indicate a desire for enviromental concerns.
Walter
Mike,
Have you taken shots of the thru flashing yet?
Walter
i did... how's this sequence ?
torn down & rebuilt , ready for the tin man
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parts made up in his shop
torch & iron
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Sue laid up the flues & cement brick...
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the flues have weep holes in the sides so they will shed onto the thru-flash
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one of the specs is to lay up a sample panel so the owner can see the stucco colors
they picked the one on the right
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and the finished chimney... George got an 8-point buck and a small doe last week during bow season... George is the caretaker for the estate
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working on the last roof section
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Really nice work!
Thanks for all the shots of the work.
Best regards, Walter
HOT sequence of photos / chimney et all you're workin w/ a good bunchI'll be leaving for Cosmopolis to pick up some R&R boxed shingles in a few momentslies right next door to your Best shingle / Hoquiam connection
isn't that amazing ? what a small worldMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
and about a week later , when the mason returned & took the blue tarp off
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nice work...here,and at the abuttheads...
thanks for letting us play along....
did you consider using PT shingles?...
regards
i consider doing anything they want.. she wants it just like it was and we aim to pleaseMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I've never seen a copper boot either. Where'd that come from?
shucks... any roofing supply company has themMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
must be suppliers in the better neighborhoods. every time I ask for something a little out of the ordinary, I get this blank stare. come to think of it, any time I ask for anything, I get a blank stare.
oh, i don't know about that.. seems like you got the cherrystones and Bloody Mary's ok...
BTW.. gotta do that again , soon.. or at least sooner than this yearly schedule basis we seem to be on
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Pretty good blank stare here behind the glasses.
View ImageA great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
Anytime, bro. It was great.
But as I recall, they have some fine oceanfront sites along the RI coast, and I bet they make some excellent bloody marys.
Beacon delivered another pallet of red cedar today....
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and the breezeway got stripped.. should be on the main roof tomorrow
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Those look like Costco tarps !Have you finally discovered the wonders of Costco ??=0)
You can never get ahead by getting even.
Mike,
Have you seen saw cut cedars laid with every other on pushed up 1/2 inch. We did a lot of them that way back in the 70's. It gave the irregular appearance of split shakes.
JimIf you have a problem, don't just talk do something to set it right.
Jim Andersen
yes, i have.... in this case the Owner would kill me
she really likes the nice crisp straight lookMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I love the copper boot. Are you going to us copper for the ridge or the cedar hip & ridge sets.
I have always felt the non asphalt roofing materials gave structures a feel of durability. Unfortunatly my next project is imbeded in 10 acres of timber in Oklahoma where the combination of dry summers, brush and distant water supply make me leary of fire hazard with cedars. But I sure ove the smell when putting them on. If you have a problem, don't just talk do something to set it right.
Jim Andersen
Great view up there... Makes me homesick! I can almost see those stripers swirling in the water... "War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." Ambrose Bierce
oh, they are..... i don't fish...b ut everywhere i go.. it's striper this and bluefish that !
just bring me the fillets !Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
if you don't fish you must be the guy that invented work..
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
lessee.... work.... gardening....... fish...... golf
ok... golfMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
four letter words sure can be fun...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Dan's guys finished the coursing on the garage... just waiting for the hips..
he gives his supplier the pitch of both roofs and they make up hip sets... be interesting to see that..
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so staged up for the main roof
with his big yellow billboard
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about 20 years ago we built out boxes on the some of the sliding doors and installed a 2d sliding door outside the first ones...
all the sliders in this pic. are double.. one in the regualr frame wall, and one in the box built outside the main wall
the one in the bay window we did about five years ago along with the one closest to us
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they tarped the attic before they started stripping
this roof is the more conventional skip-sheathing...
that's the town beach ( Mackeral Cove) in the background
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here's a great view of Horsehead out on the point
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and the cliffs below the house we're working on
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Binoculars? Just what kinda "wildlife" are they spotting? :)
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jt8
'Grandpa used to say "know your role and shut your hole." ' --Stilletto
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Nice tagline. I think I have heard that a few times in my life. :)
Nice tagline. I think I have heard that a few times in my life. :)
I'm another one who thinks your grandpa was probably a neat guy. But alas the grandpa signature has been bumped by Emerson.
jt8
"Most of the shadows of this life are caused by our standing in our own sunshine." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Thats alright, it put a smile on my face seeing it. Thanks. :)
tore the chimney down & now rebuilding ...
here's Sue giving me some attitude....
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and Mike supervising her efforts
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Loking at Mike's right leg, that guy has a pretty good attitude and determination doing work like that on a roof that high up. Are you gonna tell us that he's the one who carries the bricks up the ladder???"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." Ambrose Bierce
looking south, another shot of Horseheadwas I daydreamimg in history class & I'm supposed to know of that beautiful place??please say something more of Horsehead
john... it's just one of the most spectacular on the island..
here's a description..
<<<
240 OW
JOSEPH WHARTON HOUSE/MARBELLA/HORSEHEAD (1882-84): Horsehead is a massive, turreted landmark, sited on a bold promontory overseeing the approaches to Narragansett Bay where it joins the ocean. Legend has it that the place was named for a large offshore rock, now vanished, which resembled a horse's head, but on a mid-nineteenth-century map "Horse Head" is shown on land, east of Mackerel Cove. Marbella, the original name, refers to a promontory facing the Mediterranean at Marbella, Spain.The stone and shingle house has a gable roof brought down to the first story on the entrance front and overscale double dormers. The major feature of the exterior is a circular corner tower terminating in a belvedere below a bonnet roof. The seafront and gable is accented by a recessed porch with squat stone columns. On the rear elevation the house is a full story taller due to the slope of the land, and there is a big, west-facing porch which once overlooked a grass tennis court. Just north of the cottage is a matching carriage house-barn accented by an octagonal turret echoing that of the main house. On the barn turret's peak is a horsehead weathervane.Joseph Wharton, a wealthy Philadelphia-based industrialist with Newport connections, was a Quaker. He began summering at the Robinson House on Washington Street in Newport in the 1860s, occasionally sailing over to Conanicut to picnic, explore, and collect marine specimens. In 1882 he acquired more than 30 acres in the Ocean Highlands tract and set about building his summer house. Wharton participated in the design process, insisting initially that the house be closer to the cliffs. It is likely that C.L. Bevins was the architect. Horsehead recalls Bevins's design vocabulary and it is known that Bevins designed very early additions to the house. J.D. Johnston was the builder and may also have had a hand in designing the barn-carriage house. Beautifully maintained, Horsehead is one of the outstanding summer houses of the New England coast. >>>
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amazing abode - I think the architect Robert Stern learned a lot from that housewas pricing some tapers & sidewall shingles with that Best Co out of Hoquiam this morningthose tapers are going for $ 145 / square if I pick them up
they are one of the few mills in these parts w/ an R & R machine on sitefrom a computer illiterate did you have to type that info re: Horsehead House or are you able to patch & paste (?) such printed matter?
i highlighted what i wanted, then did a copy ... and paste..
i'll ask my roofer what he paid here on the east coast.. be interesting to seeMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
here's an interesting sequence... the East Passage to Narragansett Bay is just beyond Horsehead... you can see a ship approaching from the left
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and then clearing it....
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and off into Block Island Sound... this is a coal ship .. just spent about 3 days transferring coal to barges north of the Newport Bridge for the Brayton Point Power plant off Fall River
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Your pix of the coal ship piqued my interest.
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Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
yes, indeedy.. pretty cool pic..
hey , we're going to be in the Northern Neck about two weeks before Thanksgiving..
would like to meet you... Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Come on by. I'm sending you an email with my contact info.
Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
I have been unable to cut and paste a Google Earth image. How did you do it? I own the free version.
Gene,Just get your "screen shot" of what you want to view, and click File+save image. The default is a .jpeg image of reasonable size (ie the 41kb attachment I pasted was not resized.
Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
Hi . After seeing your picture I downloaded it. Kinda cheated and didn't read up on the complete deal. But was working it and it doesn't seem to be quite as clear as your picture?
Do you have the Pro version? Which looks interesting and Pricey-400$ a year.
Clay,I just have the free version. I don't know why the picture could have been more clear.
Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
How bout maybe my tired eyes arn't quit rite. Or may be my speelling.
I'll play with it a little more, sometimes you take the download you get and maybe don't do a check. Then the next time you do it and it comes out better. Could be little E gremlins.
But still no doubt it's a very nice piece of E stuff.
I'd even quit my whining if our tools came at such a cost.
Hey Gene.
I like the free program just want it to get it to where I can see in the house windows you know.
To copy go to Google earth and open it. Get to where you have the map/picture you want. Go to file/save/save image. Put it where you can remember where it's at,not like some of me.
Looks like the first on hung a little in the transfer process but the second one is what I was trying to do.
I also could directly post it to paint, but you still need to save it as a?file to be able to move it around.
Another website you may want to try is http://local.live.com/. It has maps of most places, and for some areas it has really good aerial photos - I called up my address, and could actually see myself...the day they took the photo I happened to be standing out in the driveway. The high-res photos seem to be mainly over major cities, so if you're in a rural area it probably won't work very well.
That's another good one-Thanks
I went to dial in my house and got much closer, could make out the sky lites pretty good. But I was a little surprised? the base of the pictures are at least 2+1/2 Years old. Added a garage and stuff so it's easy to tell the difference. Kinda neat though.
And it is OK size town SLC,Ut.
short crew today.. buttoning up the last part of this section
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and the chimney is waiting for the tin knocker to return
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Are you sure? I don't see the eyepeices like I'd expect, but then again, my binocs are 25 years old..LOL
That was my first guess, then I attributed it to water bottle holder or somesuch containers...we often have odd things hanging around off the Pjacks or scaffold.
I get funny looks when I pull out an ATM carrier full of srews. Thanks GUNNER!
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binocs... who can resist with this scenery ?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
looking North over the garage you can see the town beach and the Jamestown Bridge in the background
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some of the main roof stripped
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looking South, another shot of Horsehead
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and a schooner beating into a southwest wind
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$weet !Are you still teing it up?Chucklive, work, build, ...better with wood
my mason showed up today with a full crew... staged it
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that's Sue running the show
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by this afternoon.. they had it torn down
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Are you sure? I don't see the eyepeices like I'd expect, but then again, my binocs are 25 years old..LOL
Yeah, we're not talking about 25lbs watch commander binocs :)
jt8
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Mike,
In the roof pictures with the 1x laid on the sheathing boards. Are you concerned about water getting under/through the shingles and being held against the sheathing?splat
no, the garage roof was done over that way about 30 years ago.. and it looked fine when we stripped itMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike,
A couple of questions for you.
Will you be thru flashing this chimney rebuild?
Also, how do you dare let your mason subs operate with such glaring OSHA violations-i.e. no safety rails around the staging tower. As the GC I would think you'd make them be compliant since you're the one liable in the end if the Hard Hats show up on site.
Walter
I was gonna ask the same thing - You beat me to it.
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yes, thru-flash.... we'll see on the handrail.. thanks for the tip.. i'll probably go over there and fire his azz this morningMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Another great thread MIke, that copper boot is sharp. I have never seen one before. And so castles made of sand melt into the sea eventually
>>>>>>>>>>>>What's the lifespan of a copper roof - maybe 100 years or so? Possibly - depends on what's in the air where you live.
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