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   JTC1 | Jul 13, 2008 09:21pm | #1

   Check Simpson Strong Tie or USP web sites / catalogs - you'll find them.

   Jim

   Never underestimate the value of a sharp pencil or good light.
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   KFC | Jul 13, 2008 09:24pm | #2

   You may be looking for a "stud shoe".  Simpson has reinforcing shoes for single, double and triple stud assemblies.  look for SS or HSS.  They do add compressive strength to the studs, but you may want to run it by your engineer.

   k

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   MikeHennessy | Jul 13, 2008 10:16pm | #3

   Any good plumbing supply house will have these.

   Mike Hennessy
   Pittsburgh, PA

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   KFC | Jul 13, 2008 10:29pm | #5

   these what?

   k

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   MikeHennessy | Jul 13, 2008 10:32pm | #6

   As another poster said, "stud shoe" is the technical name. I usually just ask for notch covers.

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   Mike HennessyPittsburgh, PA

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   KFC | Jul 13, 2008 10:43pm | #8

   Yeah, I was that other poster.  I wasn't sure if you had a different product. 

   cool pic, tho.  how do you post simpson products like that- worth a thousand words, as they say.

   k

   Edited 7/13/2008 3:45 pm ET by KFC

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   iluvgear | Jul 13, 2008 11:12pm | #10

   Piffin, you are so right! 

   There was a better way to run this vent and it will be redone correctly.  Laziness and a sawzall are a bad combination.

   I just couldn't believe that this little gizmo existed and I hadn't see one; where the he(( have I been.  By the way has anyone seen the thing with rungs or steps that help you get to things that are too high to reach........

   Thanks to all for the info.

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   Piffin | Jul 13, 2008 11:25pm | #11

   I think they quit making that gizmo. Not enough sales. Seems like I saw a clearance sale email about it a few months ago. e-bay may have it if you can come up with the name. 

    

   Welcome to the Taunton University of Knowledge FHB Campus at Breaktime. where ... Excellence is its own reward!

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   MikeHennessy | Jul 14, 2008 12:51am | #12

   "cool pic, tho.  how do you post simpson products like that"

   Just found a pic of the item on the web with Google. Right-clicked on the pic on the supplier's web page, "copy", then "Paste" in the Reply post.

   Simple.

   Mike HennessyPittsburgh, PA

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   KenHill3 | Jul 14, 2008 01:14am | #13

   Mike- like this?http://www.simpsonwatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/ashlee-simpson-hot-holly-06.jpgWWWhoops, wrong Simpson.The picture didn't come up as a picture, just the link.

   Edited 7/13/2008 6:17 pm by kenhill3

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   KFC | Jul 14, 2008 01:41am | #14

   That's one way to stiffen a stud...

   k

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   MikeHennessy | Jul 14, 2008 02:59pm | #16

   Nope. Like this:

   1) Go to the website with the pic you want.2) Put your mouse pointer over the pic, and right click. A menu will appear.3) Left click on "Copy" in the menu.4) Go back to your Breaktime post. Right click on the space in the post where you want your pic.5) Left click on "Paste" in the menu.6) Like this. Done!

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   PS: This method only works for pics you find on the web. 'Whole nother process for pics on your PC.

   Mike HennessyPittsburgh, PA

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   KenHill3 | Jul 14, 2008 05:43pm | #17

   Mike- My right click menu has 'Copy Image' and 'Copy Image Location' options. I've tried using 'Copy Image', and then when I try to put it into my post, the 'Paste' option (and some others) are grayed out. Maybe it's because I have MAC OSX and Firefox? Is there a primer on this somewhere on BT? I feel like a dumbazz w/this 'puter stuff!Thanks.

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   BossHog | Jul 14, 2008 05:54pm | #18

   You can't copy and paste images with firefox. I don't know why.
   The ultimate value of life depends upon awareness, and the power of contemplation rather than upon mere survival. [Aristotle]

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   brucet9 | Jul 15, 2008 06:33am | #33

   "You can't copy and paste images with firefox. I don't know why."You can't on Prospero or Mzinga or whatever the provider duJour for BT is now.Copy and paste works just fine from Firefox to every other application I run.BruceT

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    MikeHennessy | Jul 14, 2008 06:59pm | #20

    Ah. A MAC. And Firefox.

    All bets are off!

    A primer? Nope. Should be, but nope.

    Mike HennessyPittsburgh, PA

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    KenHill3 | Jul 14, 2008 08:10pm | #23

    OK, I'm on another computer with Windows..................

     

     

     View Image

    Edited 7/14/2008 1:11 pm by kenhill3

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    KenHill3 | Jul 14, 2008 08:16pm | #24

    That's AMAZING!  Not enough to get me off my Mac and Firefox, tho. There must be a way for me to do it. I HAVE done it on other forums by using direct links (correct term?) to my Photobucket album.

    Thanks Mike and Boss.

    Edited 7/14/2008 1:17 pm by kenhill3

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    asmith | Jul 14, 2008 10:50pm | #27

    "Mac and Firefox, tho. There must be a way for me to do it."

    I can't remember the key combination, but on my macbook (it's at home) you have to hold down either CTL, Function, or the Command key when you click.

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    Jim_Allen | Jul 15, 2008 02:41am | #29

    It won't work with firefox but you can do it with IE:attach the file like normal. Then, preview the post. While there, cntrl c the picture attachment. Then, Paste into the edit window. The picture will appear in the post. So will the attachment. The link is internal in the taunton site. Bob's next test date: 12/10/07

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    BillHartmann | Jul 14, 2008 08:20pm | #25

    The problem is that you need to registered and logged in to view the images at BikeForum..
    .
    A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.

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    KenHill3 | Jul 14, 2008 08:22pm | #26

    I feel dumber by the minute................

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   Piffin | Jul 13, 2008 10:28pm | #4

   The better solution is to cut out the plumbers PVC, don't pay him until he learns how to run a drill properly. by just covering up for his hack job, you teach him that it is OK to continue hacking up the next house and the next and....

    

    

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   KFC | Jul 13, 2008 10:41pm | #7

   Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 2+" hole he drilled would require structural repair as well, no?

   I'd be more inclined to have the plumber pay for the HSS fix, which will probably be code compliant (you might have to sister more studs in if the load is a lot) and include language about that in the contract.  Or, if he's t&m, fix it myself and know it was probably faster and cheaper anyway.

   Sometimes there isn't enough room, hack plumber or not.  This may be the designer's fault as much as the plumbers, or nobody's "fault", just a result of choices for floor space.

   k

   Edited 7/13/2008 3:50 pm ET by KFC

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   Piffin | Jul 13, 2008 11:11pm | #9

   That may be true, but no plumber should be doing ANY notching! Lazy #### @#^&! 

    

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   Jim_Allen | Jul 14, 2008 01:34pm | #15

   If I was concerned, I'd probably add a stud on the flat to each of the three compromised studs. Or, header them off if the pipe is running horizontal. Or frame that wall with 6" studs.

   Bob's next test date: 12/10/07

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   KFC | Jul 14, 2008 07:14pm | #22

   Although, if it's a 2" hole in a 3.5" wall, you can't...

   k

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   Jim_Allen | Jul 15, 2008 02:38am | #28

   Yes you can. 2" hole + 1 1/2" stud on flat = 3 1/2". Bob's next test date: 12/10/07

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   KFC | Jul 15, 2008 04:55am | #31

   Well, if it's 2" vent, the O.D. is more than 2", so I'm standing by my comment.  Unless the OP meant 1 1/2" vent, with a real O.D. of approx. 2", in which case you'd be right.  The SS/HSS stud shoe can allow for O.D. of 2 3/8".

   Either way, it sounds like there was a better way to route it. 

   I did enjoy Piffin's decree that no plumber should ever notch a stud!  I wish I had that much "hand" over the plumbers I deal with...  I'm like George Costanza with these guys:  "I got no hand!"

   k

   Edited 7/14/2008 10:30 pm ET by KFC

6. 
   Terry | Jul 14, 2008 05:59pm | #19

   A novice question from a DYI lurker.  If notching the studs is so dangerous and if the plumbers do it so often, why do we not hear stories of the house that fell down because of this practice?  What am I missing?

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   MikeHennessy | Jul 14, 2008 07:03pm | #21

   You're missing all the stories of houses that fell down because of this practice. ;-)

   Seriously, wood framed houses don't usually collapse. It's the nature of wood. It tends to sag for a long time first. The owner eventually calls someone to fix the "springy bathroom floor". That someone discovers a bunch of joists that used to be, and fixes them. Usually after much damage and otherwise needless expense.

   Mike HennessyPittsburgh, PA

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   rasconc | Jul 15, 2008 04:34am | #30

   Did anyone ever say if this is a bearing wall?  Know it is not the best but if not bearing or supporting  cabinets I am not sure it is the end of the world as we know it. 

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   KFC | Jul 15, 2008 04:56am | #32

   Yeah, the OP said it was a bearing wall.

   k

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   rasconc | Jul 15, 2008 06:40am | #34

   Note to self, read closer. Thanks.