I need to find an old hammerdrill with certain, specific features. If you have what I need or can tell me where to get it, then I am willing to pay well for it.
Here is what I need: I need an example of a drill/driver/hammerdrill with a single adjustment ring mounted behind the chuck that was made in the early 1990’s.
Drill/driver/hammerdrills have three modes: (i) a driver mode where the torque output is adjustable, (ii) a drill mode where the torque output is at a maximum, and (iii) a hammerdrill mode which, like the drill mode, has maximum torque output. In the tool I need to find, these three modes can be alternately selected by turning a single adjustment ring. Usually the driver setting is first on the ring and as you turn the ring the torque output is increased. Then as you continue turning the same ring, the torque output is increased until it is at its maximum and you reach the drill mode. And then if you turn the same ring once more you’re in the hammerdrill mode.
Some drill/driver/hammerdrills that are made and sold today have this type of design. I am aware of those, but I am looking for an old tool from the early 1990’s.
If you have a tool like this lying around your shop or truck, or know where I can find one, or even just remember seeing a tool like this, please let me know. I’ll make it worth your time.
Thanks for you help.
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Yer a lawyer aren't you?
Pete
You could be right. But if he's a lawyer looking for evidence, you'd think he would know the brand of tool that injured his client. Heck, there's only about a dozen manufacturers and the tool he wants is only 10 yrs old, seems like his paralegalbeagle could track it down pretty quickly.
Do it right, or do it twice.
I'm more of an engineer. And a woodworker, too.
One company is claiming this hammerdrill design is proprietary and that they were the first to make it a few years ago. They are trying to prevent another American company from making this kind of hammerdrill. I think this kind of hammerdrill might have been made a long time ago, and is not proprietary. But I can't find an example, so now I throw the problem out to those more experienced.
You've probably done this, but I'd check ebay. They have all kinds of old tools come up for sale.
Thanks, great suggestion. I have been looking there and I will continue that.
what brand of hammerdrill is it you are looking for? i used to have a very cheap skil brand that had that type of a selection ring on it but it died. i do however have the jacobs i think it is chuck.
That's the problem, I don't know what brand I am looking for. I don't have a specific tool in mind, I'm just wondering if there is one out there like this.
When was your drill made?
i believe i got it in the early or mid 90's and as i say it was very cheap, not a tool i needed at work but something i got for a small home project. also im not sure if it had that exact type of dial control for different torque settings as you describe but it did have only the one adjustment ring for all three settings: driver: drill: hammer drill: could have been in late 80's
I have a Milwaukee that I believe fits your profile. It was purchased, reconditioned, in 92. But it's not for sale. Helps with dates, but not getting your hands on one. "The child is grown / The dream is gone / And I have become / Comfortably numb " lyrics by Roger Waters
Can you send me a picture of it?
drewr1,
If you have a patent # you can get pics and specs here.
http://www.uspto.gov/patft/
Or you can do a text search.
KK
Yeah, I was thinking that too about the Milwaukee, I had one once upon a time, around 90, but also sold it about 91 or so. Dunno model.....it's been a while, but that maybe sounds sort of like how it worked.
I'm thinking the guy who used to be in the tool repair biz here could have answered a simple question like this.........before he retired about 5 years ago.
Find an old tool repair guy and he'll know.
Joe H
Your friend the retired tool repairman is exactly the kind of person who could probably tell me what I need to know. Hopefully he still reads these posts!
Regarding the Milwaukees that have been mentioned, there might be something there, I don't know. I'll try to look into that best I can. Somebody send me a picture if you have one. What I need, though, has to be a drill/driver/hammerdrill where all three modes are selected by a single control ring. I know there are some fairly old drills that had the three modes controlled by two rings, and those won't work for me.
I really appreciate all the suggestions. And I'm serious about the reward. I'd be willing to pay at least up to, say, $400 for helping to get a tool that fits the bill. Thanks again for all your help.
Edited 5/17/2003 2:56:55 PM ET by drewr1
Two thoughts: One - Boy this sounds like a lawyer trying to screw somebody big time. For those old hands here, sounds like some of the discussions where we only get one side of the story in a homeowner-gc dispute...in opther words, sounds very much like Mr drewr1 is not telling all.
Two - here's a clue for you Mr lawyer, one which you apparently have failed to pick up on from an earlier message: whatever town you're in, if it's of any size, find out who the local authorized repair shop is for some of the big brands, and pay a visit to the shop. You will find that some are fancy factory-supported shops, and some will be the old man with parts for Eli Whitney's cotton gin. He's liable to have one of the killer drills in a dusty corner because it came in for service and was never picked up.
Do it right, or do it twice.
hehehe, lets find a drill, find out who this guy is against......and put it on ebay and let them have at it......we'd buy milkbones for the world.
yow, the mention of remuneration caught my interest. However, what I got is not what you want. Here's a description in case the slight diff. doesn't eliminate it from consideration. Old Hilti hammer drill. Maybe new early 70's. Still works good, tho a new one would work better. 3/8's chuck with a ring behind. Hammer or No Hammer. Speed selection on top of the drill-Hi/Low.__________________________________________
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
http://www.quittintime.com/
Had to recharge the batteries before I could take a pic. Here you go. $400? Serious? Heck, maybe it is for sale. Lets be sure it's what you're looking for here first."The child is grown / The dream is gone / And I have become / Comfortably numb " lyrics by Roger Waters
Here is a pic of a modern example of what I am looking for. Sorry it is a large file.
This is a control ring that controls torque output (markers 1-15 on the ring), moves to a drill mode where there is no limit to torque output (drill bit marker), and moves into a hammerdrill mode (hammer marker). It doesn't have to be like this one, but this is one example of what I'm looking for--a single control ring for all three modes. Only this one is modern, I need early 1990's.
Edited 5/17/2003 3:47:55 PM ET by drewr1
Here is one that meets your description 100%, even has pix of drill and hammer on the collar. Edited out the model number. Son gets $500 hr on current pat. infringement case he's an expert witness for. I'll work for the same <G>.
Will even send you the drill free (billed time for trip to PO of course, please provide via separate e-mail the billing address).
Can't resist adding the second pix that just came the other day in the e-mail.
drewr1,
I have one of these too. Email me if interested.
Kevin
Junkhound,
Thanks for your reply. But sorry, I just need a drill. Nice try, though.
Can you post a pic of the collar that shows the three mode settings?
My uncle has one in his garage that I think might be what you were looking for, but he said he don't like lawyers lol :)
So tell us what's the other half of the story?Never be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the ark, Professional build the Titanic.
Geez, I guess you saw right through me! You're right. It's really a dispute between a homeowner and GC. The GC's plumber used a hammerdrill when he was installing the sump pump in the basement and the howeowner swears that that damaged the roof and his TV reception somehow and wants the GC to pay big.
Oh, wait! That was another case. No, this is a case where the GC tripped on a hammerdrill on the job site and fell out a second story window into a turning mortar mixer. The GC's widow is suing the hammerdrill manufacturer for damages.
Why so suspicious! Like I said, one company says this design is proprietary and wants to stop another company from making this kind of tool. I'm checking the facts out for myself. If you have something that will help, then I thank you and I'll scratch your back, too.
> Why so suspicious?
C'mon, you know the answer to that!! Because there are plenty of lawyers out there who would be happy to take a break from chasing ambulances so they could litigate a case where some idiot tried to use his hammer drill for a do it yourself lobotomy. Stuff like: "the manufacturer knew or should have known that this hammer drill might be used for amateur brain surgery, should have anticipated that the adjusting ring might be set on "hammer" as a substitute for "incision" and since there was no warning "THIS TOOL IS NOT TO BE USED FOR MEDICAL PURPOSES" permanently affixed to the device, my client deserves years of litigation and 50 million dollars. (but if you give us $100K, we'll go away right now).
"then I am willing to pay well for it"
"I'm checking the facts out for myself."
interesting you are willing to "pay well" to satisfy your personal curiousity.bobl Volo Non Voleo
You'd think that he would come clean and tell a few facts, nothing confidential or client-attorney privledge, but the name of the known drill, etc. It quite possibly is a patent question, except that if the old drill is 10 YO and can't be found, then what's the purpose of the lawsuit? Apparently the old drill wasn't a seller, so what's the point? Lots of things stink aboutn his questions.
Do it right, or do it twice.
Fellas, nothing stinks, there is no "other half of the story." I suppose I can't fault others for being careful. I am trying to be careful myself. That is why, as I said, I am trying to check the facts out for myself. And you're right, this is not for satisfying my personal curiosity--never said it was.
The facts are really simple. As I said, company A makes tool A with certain design features. Company B (a good American company that most of you love) makes tool B. Company A claims that company B's tool B has same design features and that those design features are proprietary to company A. Company A's claim to ownership of these design features is not true if someone else, a third party, had the design before company A had it, i.e. sometime in the early 1990's. I'm searching for that elusive third party tool.
El Cid, hopefully this resolves your suspicions. Of course, I can't make you trust me in a chat room no matter how hard I try, and I've seen some other weird posts here myself so I guess I can't blame you for being wary.
If you've got some useful information, I'd love to talk to you. Otherwise, I really can't spend more time trying to resolve suspicions. I'd love to try and defend what lawyers do and dispel some myths about things they don't do--but maybe another day. Of course, I'm not in a good position to try and defend personal injury lawyers as I do not do that kind of work, and never will. But let me just say on the whole I think we're better with these types than without them because they really do help the little guy stand up to insurance companies, etc. Watch the "Rainmaker" movie--one of my favorites.
Here's a thought, let's come up with some better jokes and stories about real estate agents. I just sold/bought a house and I think real estate agents are much more annoying than lawyers!
Edited 5/20/2003 9:46:34 PM ET by drewr1
So you represent company B, who is being sued by company A for patent infringement, but if you can priove that company C made the tool first, then the suit is null. Right? But why wouldn't company C sue both of them? Souinds like you are lookign for company C (name unknown); who are A & B?
And, IMHO, if you had said this in your first message, you would have been received differently. We would still call you a scum-sucking lawyer, but we would have appreciated the honesty aqnd might have taken joy in the hunt for info.
Do it right, or do it twice.
Edited 5/20/2003 10:24:48 PM ET by ELCID72
Excuse me, ELCID, but with all due respect, I thought I did say this from the beginning. No matter, hopefully I have been more clear now.
I can't answer for company C, especially since I don't know if company C exists. Perhaps company C didn't think the design was a big deal. Maybe company C no longer exists. Or, maybe company C is in Europe and doesn't even know what is going on here in the U.S. marketplace. This brings up an interesting possibility. I know American tools very well (much better than you all have given me credit for--please, I'm not an idiot), but I don't know European tools. Maybe that elusive tool C was made and used in Europe long ago. Maybe some of you are transplants from across the ocean and are familair with European tools?
Regards,
The scum-sucking, bottom feeder
Edited 5/20/2003 10:39:22 PM ET by drewr1
Ethics and client confidentiality aside, as an act of good faith would you pretty please at the very least drop a cryptic hint as to the name of the mysterious American "Company B"?
I think it's reasonably clear by now that Drewr1 is involved with a litigation and has come here to seek help. Why should he not want to get too specific at this point since he is still in the process of garnering information and facts? Isn't Companies A, B, and C descriptive enough to paint a picture of what he's trying to do? Jeez, you guys, chill out! :o)
Ken Hill
"Regards,
The scum-sucking, bottom feeder"
Kudos to drewr1 for taking this on the chin, and sticking to what he needs to find out. I replied earlier that I had sold a hammerdrill in the early 90's, that might have been like that. By chance I ran into the guy I sold it to the other night (as far as we both recalled, the last time we saw each other was when he bot the drill, what a co-winky-dink), he still has it, but unfortunately, my memory was bad (darn oldtimers disease!) and the collar just switches from drill to hammerdrill mode, no torque settings.
BTW, how many lawyer jokes are there? Three. The rest are true stories.
Regards, The scum-sucking, bottom feeder Well, at least you have a decent attitude. Good response.
Do it right, or do it twice.
I'm sorry I have nothing to offer to help, but I am curious which company Makita is, A or B?
Rich Beckman
Another day, another tool.
I don't know Rich, but I'll bet the other company is Dewalt.
Dennis
Surely the previous posters who said they have a tool like this weren't insincere, or worse ... right?
If you think you have a tool like this, please let me know. It will be worthwhile for both of us. I'm still here listening.
Like I said, I know the U.S. tool brands fairly well and I don't think this tool will be found among them in the early 1990's. Buy maybe an Asian brand tool or European brand tool?
Thanks for your time and help, I really appreciate it.
Hey Drew,
I'm with you. Considering how many realtors are out there I have only met a few with any ethics at all. I would even go so far as to put used car salesman above realtors in general. I have more respect for the guy who cleans the jiffy john and his contribution to society.
Lawyers on the other hand always have a lot of good stories, and are generally good people to talk to at a cocktail party.
Don't be afraid to utilize your legal expertise here. There's always a lot of questions dealing with the law.
Tom
I have a drill/driver with that exact ring on it. It is made by Hilti, and is at least 12 years old. Mine is not a hammer drill, but I am sure they made that one at the same time. I will check my library; I save old catalogs..............
By the way, that Hilti is the Ballsiest driver I have ever used. Helluva tool.
Email [email protected] they repair older Skil drills (which I'm guessing is what you're looking for)..
Phill Giles
The Unionville Woodwright
Unionville, Ontario
Hey maybe you want another one of those drills. Mine looks about the same as junkhounds.
Will try to post the pics here but who knows. Why don't you post your e-mail address.
Tim,
Easyshare.... ain't. A good heart embiggins even the smallest person.
Quittin' Time