Hey all,
Well, it’s rainy season again up here in the Pac. Northwest and my garage construction has not gone as fast I’d like (no big suprise, eh?). So, I’ve got a simple question (I hope)…I was able to get roofing paper over the sheathing and everything is ready for shingles. It’s been raining a little and should rain some more this weekend when I was planning to get this task done. Is it okay to lay asphalt shingles over wet roofing paper, or do I need to wait until it’s dry (next June – ha) to get the roof done? Does the potential exist to trap water and get funk to grow? Any need to replace the wet paper with dry?
Cheers,
Jason
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shingle away ...
if U can take it ...
the shingles can too ...
Jeff
Buck Construction, llc Pittsburgh,PA
Artistry in Carpentry
I thought it was the rainy season all year long up there...
Au contraire - our lawn was brown two weeks ago. It's like when I was living in Utah - the local non-mormons would exaggerate on how weird the local culture was to keep transplants out. We've been here a year and a half and we laugh at the reputation - I grew up in the midwest and when it rains there it RAINS. Here it's more like a drizzle.
Looks like I'm shingling tomorrow. I'll kick on the compressor nice and early for the benefit of the neighbors. Heh.
No No No !!! Don't be tellin' people it does not rain in Pacific Northwest
24/7 !!!
It sucks here!! We all have webbed fingers and toes !!
Visitors run the risk of drowning just walking down the street!!!!!
Safest to just stay away. =}
Be careful - Slippery when wet!
I'll add another slippery when wet warning, if the pitch is over 4/12 set some blocks or work with a harness....
In 86...heavy fog ...misty...5.5 pitch...On my feet to on my a$$....29ft below...took about a second. Insensible black and purple flashes of pain....but could sorta walk...four weeks later...back to work....8 weeks....3 months before I could carry anything heavy.....
Back to work in 8 weeks and carrying heavy stuff in three months after a 29 foot fall....you are one lucky person.
Rich Beckman
Another day, another tool.
I'll triple in with the slippery when wet warnings. Gord's unbelievably lucky. After a fall like that he oughta be dead or in a wheelchair for life.
Set up scaffolding along the eaves, full length. Make sure you rent the safety railing, too. This can help stop you before you go for the big dive. It also makes shingling the first four or five rows a lot less painful and nerve-wracking. Not much more uncomfortable than kneeling head-downwards on a roof to lay those first few courses....
If you don't do this sort of thing regularly, rent a harness with a self-belaying device and learn how to use it. It's a PITA, but so is a wheelchair. Your choice....
DON'T tie off to the bumper of the truck. Portable anchors are a very bad idea....
Use roofjacks up the roof. These too will tend to stop your slide to oblivion.
Don't work alone. A cell phone won't get you an ambulance if you can't dial it 'cause you're unconscious or have both arms busted....
Not trying to scare ya or anything....
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Dinosaur
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Stop!
The vertigo made me fall of my chair!
;)
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What? An old roofer like you?
Don't tell me you prefer swabbing pitch on flat roofs to working on a little slope...?
Dinosaur
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You take that picture from Stan's gyrocopter?
No, I took it from here....
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Yur nuts...
What's keeping that ladder there besides luck...
There must be a sign around here with yur name on it...
BTW... Why the ladder in the bushes???
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
My guess? That's where it landed when it fell off, LOL
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my stomach still hasn't settled...
Where's Dino's harness...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
maybe he doesn't get wind there like you see in CO
Now we know why the ladder is green though
Actually, I have laddered up like that, but never on anything so steep.
I started to follow his thread on this job but I had to save myself. Gonna do the same again now.
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and this was my idea?
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...and the ladder in the bushes was a 32-footer that belonged to the HO--a wobbly, class III piece of tin that made my sphincters contract everytime I had to use it. Which wasn't, thank bog, very often....Dinosaur
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that made my sphincters contract everytime I had to use it.
Yours!!!!! It'll be next week before my knees get some strenght back in 'em..
That's all that's holding yur ladder??? WHEW!!!
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Okay, I'll stop making Piffin and Imerc toss their cookies.
It actually wasn't that bad. (If it was, I wouldn't have been up there!) Yes that roof was steep, and it was 30-some feet to the ground from the ridge. But the slope (25 in 12) meant that virtually everything had to be done standing on some kind of support. The supports I worked off were either very solidly attached roof jacks, or heavy, commercial-grade ladders firmly wedged in place behind the jack planks. No possibility of the foot kicking out without ripping the roof jack right off the roof itself--not something that was gonna happen with just my skinny a$$ up there on it. The crib sat proud of the insulation panels so that the ladder could not slilde sideways, either. Rremember the ladder was in solid contact with the roof surface over virtually it's entire length. So it was kind of like standing on a fixed set of steps. Very solid, very comfy.
Once the furring was nailed on across that 2x4 crib, it formed perfectly climbable grid over the entire roof plane, and enabled me to move around the roof more quickly to do things like shift the jacks up or down. In that the ladder now did not have the benefit of the crib to prevent a side-ways slide, I nailed cleats on each side of the ladder up near the top to prevent that from happening. But that was just a bit of extra prudence--not expensive in terms of time or keeping the work area clear and safe.
Finally, and in line with the original question in this thread, please note that in none of the photos do you see any rain or wet surfaces. Much too dangerous to work on that kind of beast in wet weather (which, BTW, we had lots of--8 days in3 weeks we had to knock off for rain on that job...).Dinosaur
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"No possibility of the foot kicking out without ripping the roof jack right off the roof itself--not something that was gonna happen with just my skinny a$$ up there on it. "
The traumatic event that scarred my psyche for high work was just exactly that.
My skinny azz was on the jack plan just up from the eave at about 26 feet above rocks and rebar debris. The jack tore loose from the roof.
It can happen fast.
I peeled down over the eave leaving some blood on shingles from my skinny knuckles. God saw to it that that was not my day to leave this earth. I had a 2x12 sticking out through a window openning for purpose of setting shingles out there. I was actually getting on the roof from a ladder ground to the jack plank running near that 2x12.
so - what are the chances that I would just happen to land with both feet perfectly balanced on the protruding 2x12 bouncing up and down like a high-diver?
I was watching my shingles, plank, hat, tools, and wristwatch tumble in slow motion to the rocks below and not really sure if I was following them or not.
After a brief break ( clean the briefs so to speak) I got right back in the saddle because that's the only way to kill a dragon like that, but I started having nightmares about falling and would wake up violently grabbing ahold of anything handy. My wife did not appreciate the fact that it was usually some part of her anatomy that I latched onto... ;)
Three or four doses of drugs and I got over the worst of it, but i still gert the heebie-jeebies when I see something like your photo to bring it al back.
The point of all this being, that redundant systems seem pretty smart now. Roof jacks can and do let go and roofer can and do walk right off the end of them occasionally. Not two miles from where I am sitting a roofer walked off a plank or missd his step and got killed in '89.
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I'll grant the possibility of a jack tearing loose--especially since it actually happend to you!--but in each specific case I am dealing with I have to evaluate the probability of it happening and determine what kind of set up or extra gear I need based on that.
For instance, an insubstantial roof deck with lots of invisible rot I would classify as a very high probability that the jacks could tear out--so I'd double or triple up the numbers of jacks per plank, and possibly even attach them with lag screws instead of nails. The lags would be tightened by hand instead of with the gun, so I could feel if one was starting to strip out....
On the A-frame, the roof deck was solid 2x6 red pine in excellent shape. Even so, I used one jack per 4 linear feet of plank, with four nails per jack.
Which still does leave a possiblity that a jack could tear loose. But the probability of such an occurrence I deemed to be low enough that I was comfortable working up there.
Anyway, now I gotta go do something really dangerous: drive down to town and try to return a 10 kilo bag of mislabled flour to the avaricious crooks that bought our local grocery a couple of years back....
Dinosaur
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Ill just add that a rope and harness would have been sweet insurance. I know it takes extra time and I know you were comfortable.
Tim Mooney
I remember those pics ... that was the story about using sheetmetal that the HO had bought used at an auction.
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Yep, you've got a good memory. I finally found a finished photo of that job a few months ago when I turned up an undeveloped roll of film that had fallen to the bottom of a satchel.
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With that one done, now everybody in town with a house like that will be wanting you to do their roof, LOL
maybe the genetic engineers can outfit you with a pair of humingbird wings
;)
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As it happens, that house is less than 30' off the road on the main drag through town. It's a very high-exposure location, and I got a lot of publicity on that job. Every other contractor in town knows the place, and when they heard I'd taken the job to roof it, initial reaction went from What? to Oh you poor slob!...
Anyway, the hard part is always figuring out how to do it the first time, LOL. If anybody ever builds another one of those, they'll know who to hire to roof it....Dinosaur
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Well, it's not a roof you caN fall off of - it'll be more of a long slide
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Ive had a good morning chucke listening to you two . He had answered my post to him was the reason I am here , but I enjoyed it .
Im going to breakfast with a slow waitress.
Tim Mooney
slow waitress - you oughta be done eating by now then.
;)
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I dont remember if you said what pitch that roof actually measures, but I do it on my 12/12, every time I spray it with stain sealer. Its not dangerous since I use an aluminum walk board to do the same thing you did with the ladder feet.
Tim Mooney
It was 25 in 12. I know 'cause I had to measure it to order a custom chimney flashing. Steepest roof I've ever seen, let alone worked on. But funnily enough, once I'd been up there for a bit the steepness made no difference, except that it took more physical effort to carry stuff up the pitch. I used a haul rope for the steel. Tied a set of vice grips to the line and clamped them onto each sheet of steel. The light stuff like the lumber and the polyiso panels the boys on the ground just passed up to me by hand.
I can walk a 12/12 if I've got enough traction--but it's too risky. A slip and yer gone.... I usually just use jacks or toe boards. Being 6'1" tall means I can reach a lot of the roof from one position.
I don't completely agree about a harness and life-line being a nice extra. One of the problems with that kind of gear--and I've said this before and gotten flamed for it, but it remains true--is that it tends to give the user a false sense of security that can cause carelessness and thus accidents that might not have happened if the guy had been working naked....
Plus, by the time I've got the screw gun, the nail gun, the haul rope, and the impact driver up there with me, I've already got more damned electrical and pneumatic spaghetti on that roof than I want. One more line to catch my feet in and go arse over teakettle doesn't strike me as the best idea for me in that kind of a situation.
I will emphasize: It should be a personal choice. I will never tell anyone not to wear any safety gear he thinks he needs. Neither do I want somebody else telling me what I have to wear, though.
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Edited 9/18/2004 10:43 pm ET by Dinosaur
You make some good points -
but let's talk again after your next fall
;)
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Fair enough: but you'll forgive me if I try like hell to keep ya waiting, LOL....
Dinosaur
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You shoulda posted this in that Architects thread a while back.
25 years ago I would have raced you to the top.
10 years ago I would have grudgingly conceeded....
Today...... drag me from my truck....screaming...!!
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Glad I'm not the only one ever guilty of a 'smooth move, exlax' routine.
Trouble is I'd still attempt it if it was tied off at the top.be dead on or that quarter inch is going to haunt you
Rez, you gotta climb to the top to tie it off .
Tim Mooney
fall-induced psycho-trauma
like post-traumatic stress syndrome
some things bring it all back
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Okay, so don't look at the previous post!
Can ya type with yer eyes shut?Dinosaur
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I had to grab on to something too... Thought I was going over...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
25 in 12?! Geeze, you putting roofing on that or siding! My fat a## isn't allowed on anything above 6 in 12. I will leave the steeper ones to you guys. Must be why you make the BIG bucks! ;)
jt8
Must be why you make the BIG bucks! ;)
ROAR!!
Dinosaur
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