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Roughing up lead paint to prime over

ahneedhelp | Posted in Construction Techniques on September 21, 2002 09:04am

I am repainting a kichen/bath that has smooth plaster walls that has been painted with lead based paint.
What’s the best way to rough up the surface before applying the primer ?
(I have my respirator, spray bottle, rags, etc. ready to deal with the dust.)
The finish is very smooth and I am not sure the primer will stick.
If I don’t have to scratch the surface that would be better.

Thanks for your help.

Alan

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    BarryE | Sep 21, 2002 09:45pm | #1

    These rooms haven't been painted since 1978?

    If the lead paint is the top coat,I would try a chemical deglosser (Liquid Sand..etc) and/or a bonding primer. Me, I'd do both. Wet sanding might be another option

    If you do any sanding, get the kids and babies out of the house, on second thought, don't do any dry sanding.


    "Technology is the drug of choice for most Americans."

    Won't you be my neighbor




    Edited 9/21/2002 2:50:06 PM ET by Barry E



    Edited 9/21/2002 2:58:19 PM ET by Barry E

    1. ahneedhelp | Sep 21, 2002 10:57pm | #2

      Thanks, Barry -

      Incredibly, this is a house that was built in the 1950s with the original sand textured plaster walls still unpainted and the kitchen and bath walls with the original coat of paint.

      I can only assume the painted surface contains lead because of the slick/matt sheene of the finish.

      The house is not occupied - we bought the house next door from the original owner who didn't do anything to the house after moving in.

      Lot of plaster cracks to repair and God-awful green paint in the kitchen/bath to paint over.

      The plaster walls will be primed/painted as well. - The outside wall framing is ghosting through after 50+ years. Otherwise in good condition.

      Thanks for the tip.

      Alan

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        BarryE | Sep 22, 2002 12:07am | #5

        Alan

        Ah, remember that green well. Sounds like a nice little winter project.

        good luck

        "Technology is the drug of choice for most Americans."

        Won't you be my neighbor

  2. Piffin | Sep 21, 2002 11:53pm | #3

    I've always used TSP for surface prep on something like this to clean and to etch the surface. I just found out that it has an added benefit for preping lead based surfaces. The phosphate (al;though it isn't exactly great for the environment either) combines with the loose surface lead to bind it up.

    Rinse well too.

    Excellence is its own reward!
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      BarryE | Sep 22, 2002 12:04am | #4

      We've always used the TSP on kitchen and bath walls also. I don't think I'd trust it as a deglossing agent though? Of course I've always use multiple systems.

      Binds it up, heh? Binds the lead dust? can't see as it would encapsulate the lead? Is there any more info on this?

      "Technology is the drug of choice for most Americans."

      Won't you be my neighbor

      1. Piffin | Sep 22, 2002 12:13am | #6

        It was something the instructor said about a chemical link. He didn't go into detail because he followed up with, "Of course we don't recommend TSP anymore because it hurts the water"

        If it goes into the septic, who cares.Excellence is its own reward!

        1. ahneedhelp | Sep 22, 2002 02:59am | #8

          Thanks, folks !

          TSP is a thought. - Thank-you for suggesting it.

          Wet sanding may be unavoidable.

          Either way (or both), I am not looking forward to it.

          Was looking at several primer products, some touting to be environmentally friendly. One with a German name caught my eyes.

          If you know of any particular primer that I can use without all this hassel....

          The only good thing with all this is the house is not occupied.

          Alan

          1. jimblodgett | Sep 22, 2002 06:35am | #9

            I just got issue 150 in the mail today and there's a long article in there about dealing with lead paint. I haven't read it yet, but Tom O'Brien wrote it so you know it's good stuff. You might check it out before attacking your house.

            Brinkmann for president in '04

          2. ahneedhelp | Sep 22, 2002 05:25pm | #10

            Thanks, "Crazy Legs".

            Enjoyed your trimming articles over the years.

            Yes, another perfectly timed article.

            My copy showed up yesterday.

            How many times that has happened I've lost count over the years.

            Great product placement photo with the Festo sander/vaccuum.

            I want one !

            After quickly skimming through the article, not sure if I noticed anything that addresses my situation in detail.

            Good consolidation of information I've read/heard over the years.

            The mention of early 1950s as the beginning of reduction in use of lead is interesting. This is when the house was built.

            I'll go ahead and test it but I'm convinced it does contain lead.

            Alan

            Edited 9/22/2002 10:31:53 AM ET by Ahneedhelp

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    Flathead | Sep 22, 2002 01:10am | #7

    DO NOT EAT THE LEAD PAINT!

    or is that the brown acid?

    I always forget these things.

    dl

  4. _Jasper_ | Jan 25, 2022 04:33am | #11

    DON'T SAND LEAD PAINT!!!

    Lead is toxic. Regardless, of advice from others, the only option is to hire professionals.
    Even if you think you are being careful, there will always be some dust escaping into your living space.

    But, if you want to do it yourself, use a chemical paint remover. This is the safest option and largely avoids dust to get into your home

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