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Scratch Coat necessary? Thin brick & Thin-set over extruded lath

CplDevilDog | Posted in Construction Techniques on July 8, 2010 07:09am

Good morning,

 

Interior installation of 3/4″ Thin Brick veneer over plywood and extruded metal lath using Modified Thin-set.

Should I use a Scratch Coat or just back-butter, press firmly and give a little wiggle?

Thanks

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  1. CplDevilDog | Jul 08, 2010 07:20am | #1

    Expanded Metal Lath

    2 Hours of sleep Tthhhpppp!!

  2. DanH | Jul 08, 2010 07:55am | #2

    Never done that, but in the days before cement board used expanded metal under tile.  There I skimmed the wire with thinset first and let that set before spreading the coat for setting the tile.  Didn't scratch it, though.

  3. Piffin | Jul 08, 2010 06:12pm | #3

    Why metal lathe instead of cement bd?

  4. Clewless1 | Jul 10, 2010 10:24am | #4

    Not sure, but I think metal lath would dictate the scratch coat ... but I'm not a tiling expert.

    1. DanH | Jul 10, 2010 12:21pm | #5

      Doesn't the lath make it hard to scratch?

      1. Clewless1 | Jul 10, 2010 01:46pm | #6

        A 'scratch' coat I think is simply a rough base coat ... not troweled smooth. Maybe w/ like stucco they used to intentionally 'rough it up' a bit. You don't really "scratch" it per se' I don't think.

        1. DanH | Jul 10, 2010 03:21pm | #7

          The origin of the term "scratch coat" comes from the fact that, when plastering, the plasterer would actually scratch it with a sort of comb.

          1. Piffin | Jul 10, 2010 04:41pm | #8

            anything to give it tooth for the next coat.

            Plaster on lathe is

            Scratch

            Brown

            Finish veneer

            Lathje dictates a fill coat that could be called scratch, but he is making his work harder by using scratch and lather instead of just using cement bd

  5. raywill49 | Jul 30, 2010 10:06am | #9

    Thin Brick Substrate

    Whether interior or exterior, a substrate consisting of cement board, waterproof joints and thin set is typically quicker, less expensive and can provide a long term warranty. When consulting with architects and builders, we do not recommend metal lath/scratch coat systems for thin brick or stone.

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