Just paid $16.56 a board for 150 4×12’s delivered and stacked (I had budgeted $4 less per board) the supplier cited a “drywall shortage” due to lots of building.
Any truth to this “shortage”?
either way I’m $600 over budget now…
Just paid $16.56 a board for 150 4×12’s delivered and stacked (I had budgeted $4 less per board) the supplier cited a “drywall shortage” due to lots of building.
Any truth to this “shortage”?
either way I’m $600 over budget now…
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In 2000 there was a genuine shortage, well documented by respected industry sources. Plants were at capacity, and demand out stripped it. New capacity came on line in a year or two and the shortage eased.
I don't know if there really is a shortage now, or if that is only what your local supplier is claiming. It is credible that there is some increased demand for drywall as people in the gulf replace moldy, water damaged drywall in large numbers. Just as a guess I'd imagine drywall, flooring, appliances, roofing, and so forth are in demand pretty quickly as repairs are made. Other materials, like concrete, framing lumber, plumbing supplies may not see much of an increase yet because they would depend on replacement construction (as opposed to repair) which has not really started yet.
Might be legit Brian.....went into HD two weeks back with my FIL lookin` for three sheets.
We both stood there stunned. The SR isle was empty. Maybe a dozen sheets of 5/8.
This place is usually stacked floor to cieling, two rows deep with pallets from 3/8 to 5/8. Bone dry.
I couldn`t believe it. Figgered they were moving it to another isle. Asked one of the hands walking by...."nope.....we`re all out". I didn`t even know what to say.
I didn`t speak to a manager as to the reason....but I can`t believe that someone could possible screw up inventory that bad. Not even at Home Depot.
J. D. Reynolds
Home Improvements
A subcontractor recently submitted three drywall manufacturer's literature for approval on an office addition we designed. His reason was they would need all three authorized as there is difficulty getting drywall. He figured it be faster to get approval on three than get approval on one and have to come back to us when he can't get that one brand.
I guess there's truth to it.
There may well be a transient shortage. Probably the Katrina rebuilding effort is about to it's max in terms of drywall demand right about now.
This will be balanced, though, by the slight slowdown in the rest of the building industry. Shouldn't approach the crisis level of a couple of years back.
happy?
Now is a pos time to build . We are supposed to stop building when this happens. That brings the suppliers to their knees . Get ready for the crash.
Tim
In the process of having a 1600 board house rocked and I had to get it from three different suppliers to get what I needed, called in some major favors. probably be screwed in the future when all of these guys figure because of their help i'll buy all of my rock from them. jimj
I have noticed that the big boxes in my area are very low or out!
I asked the girl working why but I couldn't understand her broken english.
Just great, soon I will need it for my project.
My luck, get in when its high, finish when its low $#**%!
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WWPD
I was told there's a shortage of trucks to haul it. They're all in the South with hurricane deliveries.
Obvious they ALL aren't, but it's possible enough trucking was damaged combined with a larger number headed that way to make a difference?
Joe H
A friend who owns a very large drywall supply company told me there is a shortage. During the 2000 shortage he had to get containers of S/R from Indonesia to meet the demand...
Billy
we got contrator in town that own flatbed that go as far as atlanta to pick up drywall. The flatbed are almost on the road seven days a week.. 2+3=7
if you're going to Atlanta for drywall we're probably close together. I recently had to go to 3 diff suppliers to stock 2000 bd[yes I know thats a lot they don't hire me to critique 'em, just build 'em.
I've been getting price update mailers from the local supplier here for a couple of months. It's jumped a couple of times in the last few months, they're scheduling another I think 15% increase on Jan 1. I don't think it's a line from your guy. It just keeps going up and up. Heck, a bucket of all purpose was ten bucks the other day. Remember when it was 6? Within the last year, anyway.
"If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man." - Mark Twain
I know there is a shortage of cement. Also there is a lot of enegy used in the process om making drywall. This and the disaster's down south along with huge amounts of new construction
just got back from a store.
1/2 x 8 $9.19
however, it was limited to 20 sheets per person! Huge signs were hanging stating that-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
WWPD
1/2 x 8 $9.19
Cant build spec with prices like that . Since framming has went oout of site along with concrete.
Labor had taken a 20 percent increase too.
That will separate the men from the boys.
Tim
1/2" 4x8 up here upickitup is $6.12 a sheet and plenty of it.
'Nemo me impune lacesset'No one will provoke me with impunity
Edited 12/18/2005 8:45 am ET by razzman
Now Im curious what the deal on it here might be . Ive got approval and building permit to build a set of apartments but with the prices Ive let it slide. Doesnt seem like its getting any better.
Tim
Stopped by Lowe's the other day and they don't have sheet one of 4x12, maybe a half each of 1/2"x4x8 and 5/8"x4x8.
Last time there was a so-called shortage here in FL and the prices were sky-high the builders were picking up truckloads from NJ, where my brother works, for $3-4 less per sheet.
I hope I don't have to dip too deep into the savings from all that OSB I stockpiled to cover the cost of rock for the next two jobs.
I've stopped using metal studs because of price and the people i use to buy from...
BUT i've found really good wood (syp) and pretty good prices i thought... 3.25 for 2x6x8 5.90 2x6 x 16 $14 2x12 x16 and i've had just about zero waste in the last few loads... how do these compare to other areas... (i'm in TN)
p
we have a major contractor that bought a millon dollars worth of metal studs from the factory. since no body could get material he was the only one bidding at his price. He had all the work for couple years.. 2+3=7
Anyhow we dont hang 8 ft rock in new residential construction. . Did they have 12s?
Tim
I did see 12's at $12.19 +/- a few cents I can't recall.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
WWPD
Yeah but don't recall the exact. Do remember it was $9 something for 12 footers and there were stacks sitting.
'Nemo me impune lacesset'No one will provoke me with impunity
That lets me out .
Its hard to scrounge materials when they are that high.
We have had reports of materials being stolen here and that to my memory has never happened . Ive read it on here , but knew nothing first hand . Now its local to me. Some one is stealing ,aterials off of jobs ! Damn! They took a trailer full of tools last week.
Tim
Don't know what can be done about stuff like that.
Might be time for crews to start hiring a 2nd and a 3rd shift guy to do busywork on site at the same time doubling as a guard.
Seems it would pay for itself.
Years back I answered an ad in the local paper advertising 4x8 foamboard insulation. I got there thinking it was probably white styro sheets but it was Dow blueboard in 2 1/2 and 3" thicknesses that was left over from a job on a large logcabin.
Was about an 8ft high stack.
Guy said he had to sell it to get it off the property because sheets began to turn up missing. Some were even found in the woods with the deerhunting stands.
Man, anymore even if it's nailed down.
be wishing Bronson was still around
'Nemo me impune lacesset'No one will provoke me with impunity
Same Lowes today had 1/2 4x8 reg drywall at $9.50 and 1/2 4x12 at $14.25.
In the rack next to it was 5/8 4x8 firecheck at $6.97 with 12ft at 10.37.
Depot was 1/2 4x8 at 6.99 and 12ft at 10.28.
7/16 osb jumped from 9.99 to 11.47.
'Nemo me impune lacesset'No one will provoke me with impunity
Same Lowes today had 1/2 4x8 reg drywall at $9.50 and 1/2 4x12 at $14.25.
In the rack next to it was 5/8 4x8 firecheck at $6.97 with 12ft at 10.37.
Depot was 1/2 4x8 at 6.99 and 12ft at 10.28.
Rez , study those numbers a bit .
I would guess you got the 5/8s and the 1/2 turned around , but what happened at Depot?
Tim
No, those were the exact prices. Shows it's just purchased numbers and supply availability, I guess.
yep, 5/8s was cheaper than 1/2. Roar.
I'm thinking maybe either Depot hadn't caught up, sold their supply, or have a way different supplier.
'Nemo me impune lacesset'No one will provoke me with impunity
Ok, so prices are in the $1/lineal foot range at the home centers. What are you paying for drywall delivered and stacked? I paid 345/MBFT, which translated to $16.65 a 4x12 sheet.
Is this the normal premium for delivery, or was I chiseled?
Treat every person you meet like you will know them the rest of your life - you just might!
I don't know as I'm just a homeboy around here.
Maybe Tim or another can help you out with that.
'Nemo me impune lacesset'No one will provoke me with impunity
my yard's current prices are, for 4x12x1/2"- $19.68 picked up; $22.56 delivered
that's list- I get a discount, but the prices even then are still higher than what you paid
So, nothing to add there aye?
'Nemo me impune lacesset'No one will provoke me with impunity
On a side note here I had to run in for some roof gunk today and got to thinkin'.
Ever get to thinkin'? heh heh
Gardner Wet-r-Dri Gallon can at $7.67 or a 5 gal at $24.89.
Ok, Blackjack Roofing Cement#20 at $6.97 a gallon or $25.99 for a 5gal.
be a leakstopper
'Nemo me impune lacesset'No one will provoke me with impunity
Edited 12/29/2005 4:11 pm ET by razzman
Me myself arent familar with those prices anyhow.
You mention though what a difference there is between the 1/5 gallon prices.
Heres a couple more and one swings the other way!
My paint supplier sells paint on ones for one money. If I buy a 5 , one gallon is free .
On the other hand ,
A 4 gallon box of USG joint compound sells to me for 5 bucks. Ever day any day any number. Thats what it is right there and Im all in and all done.
However ;
A five gallon bucket costs me 13.00 ever day . Look at what they are charging for the bucket!!!!
A 5 gallon bucket new with lid [empty] costs 2.50 all over town. ever day
But wait ; Remember the gallon free on the paint buying a 5? Yes my man the bucket there is free!!!! Uh huh, swing blade .
Ive always used 5 gallon paint buckets with lids to mix drywall mud. The other thing is ya cant mix mud in 5s for theres no room anyway for the water.
Yet just like the toilet seat , those 5s a r e stacked on display and they sell quite a number of them. During my inspection days I seen quite a number on the jobs. I dont know at the number Ive seen people buying or carrying out . If I live to be a 100.
Tim
I paid $7.53 for a 4x8 1/2" at Lowes yesterday.---------------------
Swimming through the ashes of another life, no real reason to accept the way things have changed. Wrapped in guilt, sealed up tight.
18.60 for blueboard in va. 4x12
4x12 x1/2" $10.99 & $7.33 for 1/2 4x8 at the local Depot. Up about 10% in the last few weeks.
Haven't heard of a shortage yet in California, but I know prices are holding high.
Mike
Trust in God, but row away from the rocks.
Anyone know the SR situation in eastern KY? Our church work group is going there mid Jan and I'm wondering if we might be hit bad by the shortage. Word is we'll be doing a lot of SR.
If ignorance is bliss why aren't more people
happy?
I don't know becasue I don't live there, but why don't you order it now. It would likely cost less, and you won't have to scramble then. You might even be able to order specific sizes since you could wait a bit for delivery rather than have to take what you can scrounge then.
I'll bring it up with the leader.
If ignorance is bliss why aren't more people
happy?
Actually, the sheetrock manufacturers have got all of the yard on allocation, which is not horrible for the companites that have always sold a lot of drywall, but anyone that wants to start selling a lot is gonna be in some truoble. My company normally goes through about 4-5 railcar loads a month, which is about 10,000 sheets, give or take and we have gotten 3 cars already this month. I had a customer call me for 3 trucks of 5/8" for a college dorm. he needs one of them next week, and I figured we were both SOL, but my broker was able to find a truck, that said im giving an arm and a leg for it. And just so yall know insulation isnt gonna be any better, the manufacturers are on allocation just like drywall, but worse, we have sold 6-8 trucks of blow in fiberglass a month in recent months, and now, we will be getting 3-4 a month, it sure os gonna get interesting. The good news is that there is plenty of framing lumber and sheet goods out there.
"The good news is that there is plenty of framing lumber and sheet goods out there."
This is just because of the hurricanes isnt it and a good stand of building.
Framming lumber still comming down?
Tim
framing lumber coming down?thats because the hurricanes blew all the trees over and they heading to the saw mill or chip mill.. 2+3=7
Tim, framing, and panels are both coming down as a group. The yardstick of the industry, random lengths, has a wednesday and friday overview of average prices on specific items, and from this they create a composite for solid sawn lumber, and panel goods, both of these were down friday, from the previous week, and from the same week last year. That said, as for hoarding, it is happening I have a customer who builds retirement homes, and he called and ordered a truckload of rock, a truck of studs, and a truck of osb. Right now he wants 2 houses worth of fiberglass batt insulation in case his blow in contractor has truoble getting products.
In southeast NC and northeast SC we've had a house sit 3 wweks waiting on sheetrock, had to get from two suppliers I normally don't get sheetrock from. Had to use 54" wide 5/8" on my ceiling because it's all I could get and I had to beg for it. I know other builders who order drywall at frame and still have houses sit for a month waiting on sheetrock. It's supposed to get worse in the next two months. I even saw a local lumber yard buying a truck load at Lowes to ship out to one of their builders.
Had to use 54" wide 5/8"
On ceiling .
I would have hated to have been the hanger on that job. Wudda been expensive . <G>
Tim
Nope, same price. Heavy work is better than no work. I used to have them supply and install. They've stopped supplying now because it's too much hassle. I checked with him first and he said " No problem, just get it there" Plus they glue and screw all my rock.
Betcha part of the problem is hoarding. Large constuction firms probably looked at Katrina, and backed the truck up quick to ensure their supply line.