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sidewall cedar shingles question

hvtrimguy | Posted in Construction Techniques on July 4, 2007 05:07am

I am bidding a job with all cedar shingles for siding (25 square). curious if anyone has used the panels available from shakertown as opposed to putting up individual shakes. is it worth it time vs. cost? how about prefinishing? just looking for input. If I install individually is it a decent estimate to figure two guys can install a square a day? haven’t done shakes in ten years myself.
what about air nailing vs hand nailing? thanks for the feedback.

Jay

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It’s the feeling of falling further behind.”

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  1. hvtrimguy | Jul 04, 2007 06:28am | #1

    bump

    "it aint the work I mind,
    It's the feeling of falling further behind."

    Bozini Latini

  2. davidmeiland | Jul 04, 2007 06:48am | #2

    Never used the panels and have not really heard good things about them. Seems like it would be a huge hassle to work around windows and doors. I have always put up shingles individually, woven the corners, sometimes used prestained and sometimes not, always use a medium crown stapler with SS staples. You can also use a siding gun or even hand nail them in you feel like it. I can get a half square or more per day including all the setup and attendant fuss.

    1. Piffin | Jul 04, 2007 01:55pm | #3

      I can do a square a day hand nailing on sidwalls.But htat is not why I don't use the panels. They are simply not as weather tight. There is a lot most waste to them too. I have used them once on a condo project out in CO and was not impressed. From what I saw there, the only way I woulld want them on my home is if it were a raainscreen system under it. 

       

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    Sphere | Jul 04, 2007 02:52pm | #4

    A local guy here in KY was persueing them, got a qoute from the manu. and all that. Was ready to pull the trigger and then THEY ( don't have the name) pulled out, said sorry, not available at this time.

    That kinda thing would raise my eyebrows.

     

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    shelternerd | Jul 04, 2007 04:06pm | #5

    Wre did the price comparison and the regular red label shingles installed were significantly cheaper than the panels and a better job.

    Leave the panels to the condo guys.

    M

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    "You cannot work hard enough to make up for a sloppy estimate."

  5. CarpentrySpecialist | Jul 04, 2007 04:14pm | #6

    I hand nail. But if your looking to speed up the work use a cordless trim nailer to hang the shignle on. One on the top on each shingle then hand nail the row. Adjust the depth to near flush. It adds about a square to a days work.

    Best to you and yours, Chris.

    Building as thou art paranoid never harmed anyone.

    1. hvtrimguy | Jul 06, 2007 12:28am | #7

      thanks for your responses. I'm gathering the panels aren't the best option.
      I think I will bid the job with putting up individual shingles. How about the use of a cedar breather? worth it on a sidewall app or just in roof situations? also, would you recomend tar paper house wrap instead of tyvek or typar? thanks.
      jay"it aint the work I mind,
      It's the feeling of falling further behind."Bozini Latini

      1. Piffin | Jul 06, 2007 12:59am | #8

        My opinion is that sidewaall shinglkes generally do not have enough chance to absorb water to the backside so they do not really need cbreather unless they are in a unique locaation, say - a loing run of roof above and little or no overhang and facing into the prevaailing wind. All tht water from the roof would be running the sidewall also.Tarpaper is better underlay for these. Tyvek has been known to disintegrate in contact with the tannins from cedar.We have had some good conversations on cedar shingle siding here. Have you tried the advanced search on the subject? 

         

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