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   MikeSmith | May 13, 2005 07:13am | #1

   depends on the shingle and the use and the  locality..

   roofs.. definitely space

   sidewall.. WC...EXTRA, tight but not fitted

   WC , (R&R )  tight and fitted

    

   sidewall RC (R&R)   tight  and fitted

   but.. if you are going to have a very wet time and they will get soaked thru and not dry out.. they are going to swell .. a lot.. and  you can get buckling.. happens a lot on north sides

   i think some get carried away and start shaving  R&R's .. i personally like to lay an R&R just as it comes out of the box... the slight imperfections give just enough space to stay out of trouble

   Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
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   FlyingContractor | May 13, 2005 07:19am | #2

   Thanks Mike.

   I'm in the San Francisco area, so we do have lots of rain.  Sorry, but I'm not familiar with R&R RC and WC what do those mean?

   Thanks!

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   MikeSmith | May 13, 2005 07:23am | #3

   wc.. white cedar.. ( two most common are EXTRA ,  & CLEAR )

   R&R.. rebutted & resquared

   RC... red cedar   ( #1 ,  #2 )

    

   any of them can also be R&R.. usually R&R comes in boxes..

    non-R&R come in bundlesMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore

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   FlyingContractor | May 13, 2005 07:27am | #4

   Oops..I knew that!  Thanks!

   So I'm thinking in my area with #1 Red Cedar a nail space as I have always done is smart?

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   MikeSmith | May 13, 2005 07:36am | #5

   mebbe..

    if your RC is not R&R.. they are usually just enough out of square so i let them touch each other where  they want to..

   it will automatically gap  most of the shingle.. ie:  the 18" shingle might be touching for one  inch.. the rest will have a slight gap.. especially if you lay your courses on a course stick and don't let them stair-stepMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore

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   davidmeiland | May 13, 2005 07:40am | #6

   With #1 or #2 WRC 16" bundled shingles there will be enough personality to them so that the vertical edges will not be parallel anyway... so is the nail space the minimum or the maximum?! I always stick a straight piece of 1x4 across the wall and stack the shingles on it, so that the butt lines are nice and straight, and space the shingles an average of about 3/16" apart. If you are buying and installing shingles that are soaking wet you could go with less.

   What are you fastening them with?

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   FlyingContractor | May 13, 2005 07:46am | #7

   I usually do the 1x4 strip as well and space about 1/8" maybe on the long edges.  I normally fasten with EG box shingle nails although I think next job I will step up to SS.

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   davidmeiland | May 13, 2005 05:26pm | #9

   Does EG mean electro-galv or does it mean something else? I would not use electro-galv anything for fastening cedar... you will get bleeding that shows. I use 7/16" x 1-1/4" SS Senco staples for my shingling, and Mike can recommend a sidewall nail gun and HDG or SS nails to match... was it a Max? For what it's worth, a box of 6000 SS staples costs me about $75, and I would figure on about $20 per square for 'em if you go that route.

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   FlyingContractor | May 13, 2005 05:36pm | #10

   I haven't done shingling for quite some time and did back then use hot dip galv, but on this job I think I'm going to go with SS.  Thanks!

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   MikeSmith | May 13, 2005 07:47am | #8

   dave.. have you got an answer to that screed question ?

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