Good morning guys. I’ve got a chance to bid the siding on a house, some 6 in. cedar claps, some 6 in. cedar shingles, maybe some board and batten. Anybody have any sense of the time per square each of these sidings would take two good carpenters? The house, despite its mix of sidings, is fairly straight forward.
Also, if anyone’s in New England, I’m curious what siding labor is going for these days. I’ve recently discovered that framing I’d have paid $3.50/sq. ft. for eight years ago is now going for $10 and up.
Thanks all.
Andy
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Edited 5/4/2004 6:40 am ET by ANDYENGEL
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Discussion recently has been that standard cedar shingle sidewall goes up less than 1 sq. per day per man, depending on the complexity (woven corners, etc.). Don't know about the claps.
JUst take my well thot out "bout a day" method ...
and make it a "bout a week" method.
Then ... just guess at how many weeks it'll take.
I say ... uh ... 3 to 6.
3 if it's plain .... 6 with fancy details ....
You gonna trim out windows and such too?
Jeff
Buck Construction, llc Pittsburgh,PA
Artistry in Carpentry
I need to learn more about your estimating system. Sounds close to what I use.Greg
Werner Building & Remodeling
Huntingdon PA
I use the same system, but my boss doesn't like it. So I always have to come up with some bogus calculations that arrives at the final number I've already estimated.
>>take my well thot out "bout a day" method
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I need to learn more about your estimating system. Sounds close to what I use
...but you need to know your EXACT cost for crew time, fringe, labor overhead, profit, etc. 'bouta day for Jeff's system to work...
remodeler
Are these rainy weeks or sunny?
I am suprised to find myself agreeing. There are so many variables on something like this.
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Rain or sun ...
what the hell does that have to do with anything?
This is war dammit ... we ride to battle weather be damned!
Ice storms .... that's all we fear.
JeffBuck Construction, llc Pittsburgh,PA
Artistry in Carpentry
Yeahh thats bout how I do it and it works pretty good for me.
I really dont know a whole lot about biddiing by the sq.ft.
I figure materials and the time it will take me and my guys add overhead and profit,and watch for time consuming mistakes.
Tyke
G.E. Construction
Ocracoke, N.C.
just another day in paradise
I asked a question here on Breaktime regarding sidewall shingles as well as some MFG reps on east coast. Shingles go for $150/ sq to $450/ sq labor. Claps range $100 - $250/sq
I could really make fast $ if I went back into siding full time....
MG
I was talking to a contractor down the street from me, and he told me that there's a crew around here that's hanging vinyl for $200/square. Last time I had vinyl hung was 8 years ago and it seems I was paying $45. The times they are a'changing. Having recently priced worker's comp, I can understand the increase. Yikes!Arguing with a Breaktimer is like mud-wrestling a pig -- Sooner or later you find out the pig loves it.
Andy, I sent you an email. Not gonna touch that in public.
Eric
ps, sorry to all whom I might have offended.
uh oh! With a moderator present, I'll have to start watching my Ps and Qs again.
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Oh for Pete's sake, it's only me.Arguing with a Breaktimer is like mud-wrestling a pig -- Sooner or later you find out the pig loves it.
Whatcha mean, only me. Didn't we award you the title, " Best web moderator in the world"?
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A little late to the party, but for cedar claps:
Roughly figure 3 sq per day working solo, in the past I've done up to 8 sq working with a laborer on straight-forward houses with corner boards. Cut and snap into place. Fast fast fast.
Using "preacher blocks", a hand made jig that has a lip on the bottom that slips over the bevel edge of the clap previously nailed on the wall, and sits under the bevel of the clap being set, gives accurate spacing and makes things go fast. Cut it to length for the exposure you're using. I cut one block double the width I want, then rip it in two pieces so each person hanging the claps has an identically sized block.
I hand nail, 6d SS ring shank, diamond tip for less splitting. Nail into studs or furring strips over studs (if rain screen). Buy in bulk 25# boxes, for savings.
Rates can slow a bit if the clap exposure has to be constantly tweaked to get the clap exposure purdy at tops/bottoms of the windows/doors.
If you're going to be doing lots of claps, you can get a nice price break by buying unit quantities. Ask your yard what they offer.
Conservatively? I'd bet 2.75 sq per man, per day. Roughly $220 a sq for labor for $75 a man-hour. Work faster and the morning donuts are on you. Slower, your family eats oatmeal.<g>
Materials? All over the place depending on locale, amount bought, and exposure, but for clear WRC 1/2" by 6" claps with a 4-1/2" exposure, figure about 1.4BF per SF, or 140BF per SQ. Do the math depending on local price quote, and certainly make sure you use BF price and not LF price if you use the 140BF per SQ number. Still, you can be looking at $400-ish per square for the claps.
Once up high I've stood up lengths of claps against the scaffolding (cobbled bracket to hold them in place) and pulled them up one-by-one and cut them up high with a cordless circ saw. Works well, and saves time up and down the ladder. When hitting the gables, pre-cut the angles with a chop saw then cut to length as you can on the scaffolding with the cordless.
Depends on the house, but sometimes you can do it all up high, sometimes it's best to wear out your knees going up and down.
I never did B&B, and have not done enough shingles to get a good base.
Ah...though I miss it, it's still kind of good to be done with this stuff!<g>
Edit: cuz I stil cant spel!
Edited 5/10/2004 10:04 am ET by Mongo
Good info Mongo. What do you think the cost for prefinished (painted) claps should be,I realize region is a factor (I'm in Boston)
Reinvent,
I've never used pre-painted.
Pre-primed claps are about 10-15% more than nekked claps. Never less, but sometimes a little more.
Usually finish them with a solid-color stain instead of paint.
I have ordered them primed and with one coat of stain, and put the second coat on after hanging them. Again, each coat seems to bump the price another 10-15%.