framed kitchen cabinets, what the size of screws I should use to hang them to stubs? 3″ or 2 3/4″ ?
the length of trim screws I need to connect the cabinet front?
what type of screws I should use to connect plywood boxes of cabinets on the back? I’d think there is no need for long screws if they are not visible.
Thanks
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Try the ones that came with the cabs, if you didn't get any..ask the manufacturer for some.
It varies. Depending on the install and make of cabinetry.
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i'd use a #10 SS with a finish washer
i want 1 1/2" of screw into the stud + 1/2 thru the drywall
and assuming the hanging rail is 3/4 ... sounds like 2 3/4 #10
Through the back, 2.5 are plenty unless you have lath/plaster. 3'' and you run the risk of pricking wire if going through 1/2'' drywall.
2.5 on joining cabs face frame's to each other are fine.
Plywood boxes? Uppers, I might join them, but usually don't. Base's I'll run drywall screws of the proper length up top, through a proper thickness shim and into the other box. I'll go both ways, there's not much holding power in 1/2'' thick material.
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Calvin,I agree with you about 2.5" screws in drywall construction. 3" is generally too long.My rule of thumb is to go for 1-1/4" into the stud. If I hit a wire in the first 1-1/4" and it wasn't plated, then the repair is on the electrician. If I go deeper than 1-1/4" and nick a wire, the repair is on me. "Just following the Code, Sir!"Bill
You've seen alot of wire. And alot of copper. No reason to tempt fate when the proper depth and location can be achieved.
New const. is one thing, remodeling has a whole nother parameter of variables.
An example in todays Slatwall thead. Printed instructions recommends 3'' screws for mounting. Well, the thin side of the groove is only 3/8's, plenty fun trying to sink a 3'' screw even if it was necessary, which it isn't.
You know, it just came to me. You could spend some time writing and printing "proper execution" for most things. Oh yeah, those are "secrets".A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
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i use 19.2 inch drywall scews with tyvek washers
Where do you get those?
Gunner makes 'em up out back.View Image
at the Black Diamond store...
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Well I didnt know, hell I still use sheet rock screws.
Doug
Doug U will never learn???"The truth, when told does nothing but bolster a mans character."
Just trying to keep it real!
Man, ya gotta use piffinscrews.
couple years ago, I took apart a kitchen that was hung with 3/8" x 4" lags with washers.took a few hours longer than I anticipated...made up for all those hung with SR screws that fell apart
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I only get to install about a kitchen per year, so take it for what it's worth, but I really like these screws for hanging cabinets:
http://www.mcfeelys.com/product.asp?pid=1030-WRK
I like these, did not compare prices though.
http://www.mcfeelys.com/subcat.asp?sid=406
Next time you order, try these instead:
http://www.mcfeelys.com/product.asp?pid=1027-WPL
They are just slightly shorter, but the thread only goes up 1/2 way and the rest is solid shank, great for pulling materials together. They have a #17 point too. These are my new favorite screw in the 3" length. I also find I don't break off tips on this one either like I do the regular 3" McFeely screws.Rebuilding my home in Cypress, CA
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Cool. I'll check 'em out.View Image
people actually LET FRAMERS install cabs!!!???
some peeps are verrrrry brave...
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These are the best cabinet hanging screws. They are a #8, but are as strong as other #10's.
No predrilling req'd, even with hardwood rails. I use 2-1/2" for most applications.
http://www.grkfasteners.com/en/CAB_1_information.htm
I don't know about those in particular, but I don't normally trust #8 screws for anything structural like that - just my own personal rule. I've broken many #8's, but I've never broken a #9 or #10.Rebuilding my home in Cypress, CA
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Even GRK #6 screws are rated for over 300# in shear and then the wood fails not the screw.I installed cabinets in about 40 kitchens in the past year and used about 2000 #8 GRK cabinet screws--never had one break.
Sweet! I've just gotten a bunch of the heavier ones, maybe I'll have to take another look at their #8.Rebuilding my home in Cypress, CA
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GRK screws are da BOMB!
you really have to work at breaking them...
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They are expensive, but worth it!I might spend an extra $5 a day using GRK (on a typical job), but I am sure they save me enough time and grief to be more than ahead. Final results are better too.The 2-1/2" trim heads are great for screwing faceframes together:http://www.grkfasteners.com/en/TRIM_0_information.htm
Thank you all. These are 2 brands I'm thinking of ordering from.
Another minor question.
McFeely's only has 3" and using square bit, but I like their painted head.
GRK has them in different sizes and uses 'star' bit.
What type of drive bits are easier to use.
I don't mind the price differences because I only has my own kitchen to do.
When I used McFeelys painted head screws, I had trouble with the bit slipping. If you order the screws, order the slightly undersized bits for driving.
I switched to Star drive from Screw-Products to eliminate the bits slipping.You get out of life what you put into it......minus taxes.
Marv
Instead of GRK, look at Screw Products - they will ship directly to your door.Rebuilding my home in Cypress, CA
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My local yards have GRK, but I have ordered from them direct too. Maybe it has to do with order size.
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I think this is a North / South thing (like saws are and East / West thing). Above the Iowa/Missouri border you can get good screws, below that you are stuck with Grip Rite in every store :)Rebuilding my home in Cypress, CA
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Could be.
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Here everyone BUT the big boxes carry GRK. In my town of 30,000 I have 3 suppliers who carry GRK.These are your closest vendors (20 to choose from):http://www.grkfasteners.ca/grk/servlet/GRKFindRetailer?imcountry=United+States+of+America&imstate_prov=California+%28South%29&imphone=all&imzipcode=&imcity=&imcompany=
Edited 9/1/2006 2:31 pm ET by basswood
Hey, I've seen that list too! Check out this list:
http://www.grkfasteners.com/featured_retailers.htm
You get to walk into your local store and get this:
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This is how it works for me down here:
You go to one of those stores on your list you posted- say Ganahl Lumber, and look around for GRK screws. None to be found.
You ask customer service, they page the hardware guy, who is helping someone else.
After 20 minutes, the hardware guy shows up to tell you he doesn't know what you are talking about... but they have a fine selection of Grip Rites for you to look at!
You then go to the Special Orders section, where they tell you they don't know what you are talking about.
Oh Wait - there is our main Special Order Supplier - He'll know.
Nope, he doesn't know.
Call GRK on your cell, they tell you the specific Special Order supplier that supplies this lumber yard with GRK screws.
Special Order desk person calls their supplier up, and then you have to try to feed information through this person to the person on the other end of the phone, because they don't deal directly with customers.
Now sit back and wait a week for your order to dribble in - wasn't that fun!
Gues what, when you go back in for another order you get to go through the same process! WHEEEEEE!
You guys in the snow states have all the luck! I'm gonna go to the beach now and pout on my surf board. :PRebuilding my home in Cypress, CA
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I would hope a few of those places listed would actually have a good selection on hand. If not, special orders at Fastenal are usually quick and painless. They are on the list, might not be near you and might not stock them either. They would get them in quick though.You would be impressed with the GRK cabinet screws...nothin' else like 'em.
I actually just got back from Austin Hardwoods, and they had everything I needed right on the shelf.
Man, now I got one less thing to pizz and moan about. GREAT.Rebuilding my home in Cypress, CA
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After you try out the structural lags, cabinet screws, trim heads, etc. Let us know what you think. Glad you found a local source.
That is called a Torx bit shape.
IMO, they are far superior to square drive heads simply because they have more surface area to torque against. They do not ever cam out.
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They sell cabinet screws at most home center type stores. They are especially made for the purpose, have large heads come in 2 1/2 or 2 3/4".