Helped some buddies today with a fully adhered .060 EPDM roof on a nice new porch that they’re building in our College town up river a ways .
Freshly framed and sheathed with Advantec . Butting up to the house and real tight in the middle under fascia and soffit area .
Had to hold back against the house to have room for me to roll the overlapped sheet back , glue it , then roll it out for the fully adhered end result .
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If you're wondering where your tape measure is, look for the lump in the roof.
Some more of our rubber day .
Field rubber is down , we've fabricated and installed the copper drip edge .
I hem the roof side of the copper so it doesn;t cut thru the neoprene .
Then I cut and glue on a patch over the corners and lap joints so the neoprene is less prone to wear .
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Then I cut and glue on a patch over the corners and lap joints so the neoprene is less prone to wear .
I like that detail. Quicker than soldering, which is what we normally do.http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
Grant ,
A case where you guys solder and I don't !!
Knock me over with a feather why don't ya !!
I'm usually the guy doing the soldering -- you coulda retired by now <GGG>
Best , Walter
Nice work.
Funny the coinky-dinky, I just did two jobs for Grant using rubber and TPO last week. I too was under a soffit, barely able to fit my shoulders in, and the fumes and heat was murder..I have a few fone pics only, I won't use my gooder camera on a rubber day, that glue and sticky tape, gets on everything.
On the second I was using your old ripper to save the shingles I was going under ( closed valley, and way screwed up job by some hacks) I was thinking of you. I said " Well , what would Walter do here?" LOL
I still miss my Stortz, but the Pexto worked better than any other tool, to open the shingles and let my save them.
I din't have any corners to deal with, but like Grant, I like that patch Ideer. Also the extra hem..gonna note that.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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"If Brains was lard, you couldn't grease much of a pan"Jed Clampitt
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Duane ,
Good to see you're back doing some roof work .
Everybody has to have a good roof .
Walter
Final sequence for this little job .
" Felt stripping " with neoprene , you can see where we've washed the field rubber .
Glue down the neoprene and seal all edges with lap sealant and we're done for the day .
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Walter,Looks good as always. Thanks for sharing.Chuck S.live, work, build, ...better with wood
Chuck ,
Making rubber work look attractive is like teaching pigs to fly !!!
We put it down flat as a board though which is my standard for a good job .
Puckers are a sign that something went amiss .
Thanks for looking on .
Have a great Holiday weekend .
I'll put up some hip shots later from the Pennobby thread .
Walter
seen a guy put on a rubber roof one time full of bubbles it looked horrible he said ah when the sun hits it you'll never know. sure nuff the sun laid that stuff flat as could be suprised the heck out of me.looks good! by the way I do it like forrest never could figure why the extra step my way has worked well for me, but hey, to each his own. carry on.
Mike ,
There are two types of bubbles that you can get when putting down a fully adhered roof .
The first is caused by simply not waiting for the " elephant snot " to dry completely and you get spots where the glue is still " off gassing " and making the sheet not adhere properly until the glue does dry fully .
The second type are puckers put in by mishandling the rolling out process .
These are permanent , caused by poor application .
With membrane you're not supposed to lay the field rubber over your flashing edge metal , but you can do so if you wish .
Walter
With membrane you're not supposed to lay the field rubber over your flashing edge metal , but you can do so if you wish .
Actually, there's a residential spec from some manufacturers that allows that since it looks better. Seam tape is used at the edges. I only do it when appearance is tantamount to function.http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
I hope someone has a magic way of cutting that tape neatly. I finally settled on my ancient Duck bill snips, they worked best.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Yeah, we had a part time guy a few yrs ago from Oh. I think he still comes and helps Dale, that does a LOT of membrane. He had some like my wifes $$$ Sewing scissors, about a foot long. Great for the membrane, but that tape is some gooey stuff. I'd fear getting them all slopped up.
I guess I'll stick with the duckbills for now.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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"If Brains was lard, you couldn't grease much of a pan"Jed Clampitt
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sphere--
if we are talking about the same tape---------- we just cut it withile the celephane is still on it with a utility knife---- no problemo hey--- if you see this I got a question for you.
I am finally starting building some wood storm windows. didn't you build some windows and use wooden glass stops instead of putty? how did you attach the stops---- micro pinner? I am thinking bed glass in a thin bead of geocel---lay the glass in the rabbet, overlay the glass thith the molding( glass stop)---- micro pin in place or small brads BTW---- wood is 1/4 sawn white oak if that makes a differencethanks,
stephen
I rip Azek on the bandsaw for stops. As an example, take a 3/4 hunk of 1x4 and rip it to 5/8ths strips. I do in lengths that are easy to handle , and mostly 2x the longest + a bit for trimming the miters.
Then tilt the BS table to about 30 degrees ( this varies as does the 5/8th, with rabbet size) and re-rip ea. hunk from say 3/8TH (again, rabbet size, seen from glass) to 0. Flip the hunk and cut another, you wind up with a triangle of waste.
I use hand nippers to cut the miters and 23 ga SS pins ( short, 1/2") from Floyd Tools and I would NOT use geocel, it is TOO permananet as to getting a broken pane out. I use either Big Stretch or Phenoseal. REAL small beads both to bed, and "glue" the stop back side. Geo would be a real pain to clean up.
IF you make the stops too tall, like ya forgot to deduct for glass thickness, they shave down easy with a plane or chisel, or ut. knife. I assume these are painted outside? If so, the primer and paint fills any micro defects in the fitting.
Have fun, it beats putty by a long shot.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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"If Brains was lard, you couldn't grease much of a pan"Jed Clampitt
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Couple of Sphere threads with photos on the window assembly. I think there were more, but he might know where the rest live.http://forums.taunton.com/tp-breaktime/messages?msg=108631.1http://forums.taunton.com/tp-breaktime/messages?msg=100323.1'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Tanks buddy!
I have another sash to make in about a week or so, I will do my best to get better pics and focus on the finer points. Mostly when I am building a sash, I have a temp window in a Bed&Breakfast type Inn, and am in hurry to git r dun.
My apologies to Walter for the hijack, but I didn't start it..LOLSpheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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"If Brains was lard, you couldn't grease much of a pan"Jed Clampitt
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Oh, yeah, I was doing divided lite sash, if you are pinning into stiles and rails only, you can use longer pins.
Again, no geocel, the beauty of stops is they are reuse able and the geo is too good to make fixing a broken pane an easy task. I know these are storms, but in general, most broken panes are done from a ladder, few pull the whole sash, so I tried to make it an easy , quick job.
My test stops I did about 3 yrs ago now, are still looking like new, where, putty has shown signs of shrinking.
The one pane I did a R&R on was a snap, I used a 5-in-1 and small hammer and new caulk, took all of 5 mins. Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Grant-- I do it that way all the time------except I usually use latex adhesive in the field and contact cement around the perimiter( say 6" or so) like it or not-- looks are always a factor-----
in my case EPDM is generally on kitchen bump outs on the rear of the house----and there is generally a door or window overlooking the roof from the bathroom or a kids bedroom these are pretty sheltered locations--and likely we don't get the wind uplift maybe walter gets along the coast.
stephen
Cool, but why in the world does the copper go OVER the membrane? I always have the Seal-O-Flex go to, and even sometimes wrap it down the drip edge for a better run off. Sometimes I'll rabbet out the AdvanTec 1/8" or so, for the drip edge not to kick the edges of the membrane up, and make a tiny dam all around.
Seems a shame to have a nice membrane, then a little gooped edge dam all around.
Just askin'
Forrest
Forrest ,
The edge metal is holding down the field rubber from wind uplift .
Thats the way I was shown to do it -- an accepted practice with fully adhered EPDM .
I've done them off and on for the last 20 years and never had a call back , so I think it performs in real life situations .
A membrane roof isn't a work of art like a locked seam or standing seam copper roof -- just functional .
Best , Walter
Stripping in like that is a standard detail from way back in BUR days too. It is an extra layer of protection. if you simply run the copper flashing first, then the membrane over it, if there is a break in the seal, water will wick back in under and then you have rotted decking.but with the membrane under first, if the seal on the neoprene cuts loose, the underlying membrane still keeps water out of the structure.Walter really goes the exta mile. I have never seen the hem there before. it could be a major benefit in a location where there is a lot of snow/ice or high traffic zone causing movement of the parts.
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Thank you Paul , hoped you'd look in with the smallish pictures making it easier .
Walter,
By the shoes here, I'm wondering if your buddy is the elusive Bobbys?
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Fun to see a different style. Thanks for the photos.
Best,
Steve
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Steve ,
My friend John -- whose job it is took the pictures . I worked the inside 'cause he and his man had less experience with rubber .
The folded back roll takes a bit more practice rolling back into the glue so you don't get puckers .
Hadn't done any rubber for awhile so it was a fun day .
Best , Walter
The work looks top notch.
Why not allow for 2" of foam to be fastened down to the roof deck and then glue the EPDM to that?
Probably make a huge difference in temperatures on that porch.
I would assume that white wasn't used due to "appearance", right?
I really think I will put foam down on my roof when it needs to be redone.
I was only helping out . It was super tight under the soffit and gutter area anyway .
It looked tight... just wondering.