New weekend project thread here; the subject will be light steel framing.
DW got an electric kiln for her birthday; my job is to make a fireproof (not really necessary), yet attractive, 8×8′ outbuilding for it. Supposed to reminiscent of a smokehouse.
Steel studs, rafters, and purlins; vertical board-and-batten Hardi-plank; brick or Hardi floor – still deciding. Pyramidal 5-V steel roof with cute operable vent on top.
All sealed up; will keep dehumidifier going in there during GA summers – pieces will air-harden out there before firing.
treated joist and subfloor on pier blocks, so it can be moved
Pieces all laid out here on Friday evening.
Forrest
Edited 9/21/2007 4:41 pm by McDesign
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Design and part list -
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Forrest
Edited 9/21/2007 4:48 pm by McDesign
Neato..sucks that you commited to Hardie trim tho'..I know, fire proof.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
"If you want something you've never had, do something you've never done"
Are you using hat for the diagonals? I do a lot of steel framing and usually find it easier to use a 16 or 14 g strap (no notching necessary).
Looks cool. You have a lot of energy!
Matt
Yeah, the hat will act as both diagonal and purlin (cause this is vertical boarding). I'm not sure if it's a real technique, but we'll see how it works!
Forrest
I don't think that there is a real technique!
A lot of wood guys don't know about metal techniques, and most of the really useful products (like strap which is just flat steel) are not available at HD or Lowes.
Drywall suppliers usually carry the good stuff.
Looks like a cool project.
All this stuff came from a wonderful old DW place in downtown Atlanta - Capitol Materials, just north of GA Tech.
Forrest
OK, I'm ready for the finished pics now.
;)
jt8
"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly.
I said 'I don't know.'"
-- Mark Twain
Soccer game this morning, so late start . . .
Layout and DW walk-around-the-yard approvalView Image
Clay is very close to the surface - I just thump it down flat and add a bit of sand to level it.View Image
Squared and leveled - The heights are just run wildView Image
After we shot the elevations (see another thread), I cut and notched short posts for each position of the appropriate heightView Image
These 2x8s ran from 7 to 7-1/2" tall, so every end is notched to 7", and all elevations are from the top down 7" - joist hangers, tooView Image
DeckingView Image
The deck is 8x8' and the walls are also 8x8' - so I use the deck as a layout tableView Image
Ready to stand up tomorrowView Image
Forrest - caught by darkness
Edited 9/22/2007 8:34 pm by McDesign
That's a sweet time machine you have for a camera.
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Cool project.Naive but refreshing !
Sunday morning work -
Window frame horizontal joints -View Image
Showing bracing and furring around window (outside)View Image
Wall sections are super-light compared to wood -View Image
Finishing last wall section - time for lunch -View Image
Forrest
Edited 9/23/2007 12:59 pm by McDesign
Dinnertime!
Walls upView Image
Put paper under the plate; who knows what ACQ will do -View Image
Roof concept with vent; will have cupola -View Image
(8) main rafters up and clipped to plates - will reinforce later -View Image
Put on track as eave piece; not sure how to do ridge rafters - puzzling about it now -View Image
Forrest
Edited 9/23/2007 6:50 pm by McDesign
OK, that was an hour and a half ago. What's done now? And you need to tweak your camera date. It thinks its already Monday... it isn't Monday, right?!jt8
"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly.
I said 'I don't know.'"
-- Mark Twain
Yeah, it's Monday...did you forget to go to work today?
Hey, that's not funny. I had last week off and have had to stop and think about what day it is from about Thursday on.
[edit to add] if it wasn't for my PC and the Dish Network guide channel, I probably WOULD have lost track of what day it was. :)
jt8
"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly.
I said 'I don't know.'"
-- Mark Twain
Edited 9/23/2007 9:05 pm by JohnT8
Finally figured out how to do the ridge rafters - we can't all be DieselPig! Got one side done and purlin-ized -View Image
Made these neat bits to tie the eave track corners together -View Image
Lunchtime!
Forrest
Looks good. Did you mention what you're going to use for a door? And you said a cuppola on top?jt8
"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly.
I said 'I don't know.'"
-- Mark Twain
I have a steel commercial door with the wire-reinforced 10" square window in the top. Going to try to make jambs from Hardi-trim. Cupola is for a heat vent; kinda' like a little pyramid raised up a few inches from the main roof - maybe this afternoon.
Forrest
Finished up the skeleton. Realized I needed to put the siding on before the roofing so I can get to the top screw strip.
Son says it looks like his new Erector set -View Image
Arty -View Image
How I doubled the ridge rafter for a jack rafter -View Image
Used every last bit of hat channel on the last position - it's like 7-8 pieces, and you can see the top horizontal screw strip of hat channel against the top plate -View ImageForrest
Edited 9/24/2007 7:34 pm by McDesign
Looks Good!
Do you tack everything?
Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
Every crossing gets a galvanized tech screw. No welding at all.
Kind of fun to build with just a left and right tin snip and an impact driver!
Forrest
Lunchtime! Getting the 12" smooth Hardiplank up. I'll rip strips 1-3/4" wide and attach at the joints over a caulk bed.
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This time I remembered to let the boards extend up past the rafters and purlins, to the underside of the roof sheetmetal.
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Forrest
Edited 9/25/2007 12:10 pm by McDesign
Ripped strips of Hardi for battens; attached everything and sanded and caulked. Ready for door frame and primer. I'll try to get the roof on tomorrow.
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Used neoprene washer roofing screws to attach the Hardi to the metal studs - worked like a freakin' CHARM, and the cushioning effect of the washer kept from splitting even those 1-3/8" wide Hardi battens - not one! Of course they show, but I tried to make them have a regular pattern - that's why the funny purlins.
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Would've gotten the roof on today, but DW said I had to clear my "office" out of that camper in the background, get it out of the barn, and get it ready for their trip next week (I get to stay home!)View Image
Was supposed to sign the contract for the ICF/SIP/double-umpty-ump Monster House tonight (north of $220K for the initial phase!) but the client had a bit of surgery Monday and wasn't feeling up to the excitement.
Next week. Not a problem.
Forrest - soon to have no time for this kinda' stuff around the house
Edited 9/26/2007 7:38 pm by McDesign
Got the (4) roof facets laid out, cut, drilled, and pre-drilled
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I just use the abrasive blade and cut it on the grass
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Beveling the top of the siding to fit tightly underneath the roofing with the handy Shinto rasp - track piece as a straight edge to checkView Image
All up; ridge pieces up after lunch. had to checkout DW on the camper this AM!View Image
Forrest
Edited 9/27/2007 1:11 pm by McDesign
These are my scraps from cutting those (20) panels of 5-V roofing - and that's all.
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Y'all just call if you need some metal roofing tips!
Forrest - smart-alec
Edited 9/27/2007 1:14 pm by McDesign
I don't wind up witha Makita as scrap tho'
Smart alec #2.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
"If you want something you've never had, do something you've never done"
Why aren't you at work?
Forrest
I am. Shop day. I still have a zillion windows to rebuild and reglaze.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
"If you want something you've never had, do something you've never done"
Okay - just checking!
Got the hip caps on and foamed up the whole roof tight. Was going to prime, but this pic is at 5 in the afternoon - serious thunderboomer coming -
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Forrest
Edited 9/27/2007 6:59 pm by McDesign
Looking damm good. It was booming here today,some rain, but not ner enough. Cold front feels great...
Yeah, it looked dark there in your pics..stay offa the metal roof OK? You gonna ground that building?Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
"If you want something you've never had, do something you've never done"
<You gonna ground that building?>
Hummm! Hadn't thought of that - I guess I should.
Forrest - ground rod in my future (shop should probably be grounded, too)
I dunno if ya HAVE to, I wuz just wondering if ya were gonna. And why.
Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
"If you want something you've never had, do something you've never done"
Painted and trimmed to match the house - still going to paint the eave track dark red.
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Probably last pic for a bit - DW and her sister and the kids are going to the beach and taking the camera.
I get to stay and work!
Forrest
Edited 9/29/2007 6:18 pm by McDesign
Hey - family and camera are back from camping at the beach! Smoke house nearly ready for use. Seeded and soiled and strawed. Need to make steps or a ramp - DW's deciding which -View Image
Here's the "capstone". It's made from galvanized sheet and stud track; mounted on some clips made from stud scraps. I don't have a brake, so all the bends are 1-3/8" deep - the depth of my HVAC flanging pliers. To keep bugs and birds out, the open area is filled with dark blue HVAC filter mesh, cut and siliconed in place. Obviously, we're in a place with little wind-driven rain!View Image
Here's the floor, in process. The brick is actually our old chimneys; stacked and stored 15 years ago for such a need. Paver sand is in the process of being worked into the cracks -View Image
Bricks and sand had been outside for years, so I'm running a de-humidifier in the sealed-up building (put temporary plastic over the top vent; haven't built the damper yet). Pulled out over 10 gallons in the first 24 hours!View Image
Forrest - glad my family is back home
Edited 10/6/2007 2:12 pm by McDesign
Forrest, that is darned cute! Congrats on a job well done.
Is there a reason that you used sand other than having it sitting around? I wouldn't use sand were I live, the ants would be building a lot of nests in there. I usually use stone dust between my pavers.Martin
The sand I used was plastic-bagged paver sand from my lumberyard, but they store it outside. The labels were faded, like it had been there a while. Maybe everybody else knows the secret like you, and uses stone dust!
I had read that the fractured and graded sand in "paver sand" would lock-up best, and those old bricks vary a lot.
At least I'm off the ground - can put ant stuff on the four legs.
Forrest
That turned out nice. When does the kiln get installed? Does it require 220?
jt8
"Those who wish to sing always find a song." -- Swedish Proverb
Thanks! I'm still pulling water out of the brick. Kiln's ready to set in. It just needs 30A / 240V. We're just going to run my big planer drop cord (50' of 8/3) out there when we need it.
Gentleman's agreement with P&Z - I got their approval and sign-off, but didn't have to pull a building permit, or get it inspected, as long as there's no permanant electricity.
Seems fair.
Forrest
Gentleman's agreement with P&Z - I got their approval and sign-off, but didn't have to pull a building permit, or get it inspected, as long as there's no permanant electricity.
So they don't know that if you pull up the 3rd brick on the right from the SW corner that there's a 30A plug-in hidden under there? OOoops!... I gave it away! And after all that time you spent trenching the line in and covering it up so that it would be invisible.
;)
jt8
"Those who wish to sing always find a song." -- Swedish Proverb
NW corner - really! It's under the window that way.
Forrest
Looks good!
The sterile sand you used on the brick floor will be fine.
Think of all the custom tiles DW can fire for your showers, backsplashes and hearths.
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Chuck S
live, work, build, ...better with wood
Edited 10/9/2007 9:30 pm ET by stevent1
Got it dry, and put the kiln in -
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made some steps with old granite curbstones dug up in the yard.
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Forrest
Edited 10/14/2007 3:58 pm by McDesign
So can you scratch that one off the 'to do' list?
jt8
"Those who wish to sing always find a song." -- Swedish Proverb
Yes!
Forrest
Looks really good.Truely a rot and decay proof building.live, work, build, ...better with wood
I bet you had an erecter set when you was a kid. If not, ya do NOW!..Looks cool..Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
"If you want something you've never had, do something you've never done"
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Saaay, that's kinda cool! Just imagine what that would look like with some art glass in those squares (I'm going to email that suggestion to your dw) :)jt8
"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly.
I said 'I don't know.'"
-- Mark Twain
;-)