Got most of the rock up today, need to do the sides and back when I get more wire up.
I wanted sand stone, but this granite was in stock..corners too.
Thanks to all who offered advice on the mix, it came out as good as I could do for a first timer with no idea what I was doing..LOL
A biker buddy from Canada came by to visit, I put him to work, but was already way up.
It looks great in real life and makes the house happy.
I need to figure out what to do on those inside corners..maybe a 4×4 of Ipe.
I’m gonna have Hardie Lap and metal roof on the ridge line..thats next while I have the Boom lift…THANK YOU GRANT!!!!
I’ll grout and finish tomorrow I hope.
We love it, 6 yrs waiting to do this, its the icing on the cake.
critique is welcome, I love pointers. Get it? Pointers?..LOL
Ok, I’m tired.
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I have done some of the rounded stones on a interior once. Only thing I did was try to keep the largest stones towards the bottom.
I sure woudn't want to be up there doing it. Keep up the good work. Dallas
sure looks real from down here on the ground...amazing what they can do now-a-daze.
Looks awesome brutha...nice lift too!! Yeeha
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I kinda know how you felt now, when ya get one of them really big things done on yer crib. It's like having a baby..lol
It just bugged the snot out of me coming in my driveway after making someone elses house bee yue tee full all day, and see my pile of sticks and stones waiting for me.
This goes along way on our happy meter, big garden, chickns in the yard, and now, a part of the house that was really an eyesore, looking spiffed..we be jazzed.
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I kinda know how you felt now, when ya get one of them really big things done on yer crib.<<<Funny..when I wrote that to you I had a feeling youd think that..lol...I also thought that I know how you feel being I've been in that... and way worse for a real long time so yeh...gettin' those things done that you actually see and even can enjoy feels like you almost don't deserve it yet...NOT! lolHey..you think we can curse in here? I bet the mods never look in this parta da house...lol...although bein' ya had to write yer name in big letter all over the wall.....they'll look in here for sure now,,,'specially yer GF Robyn...lol.View Image
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Rather fine progress you are making. This will galvanize you for your next step. Try Prosoco water repellants like Siloxane or a few other choices that would be appropriate. They excel in this area. Sika as well.....
hey Sphere I remember being charmed by your dormered rusty roof abode
congratulations on your progress !
your place reminds me of some of my favorite houses of distinct style in Chiloe, Chile - Northern Patagonia ( almost made it there but had to get back to work in Paraguay )excuse me for getting in your stuff but i think I read you were going to side that shed roof rafter end bunker w/ hardibacker and was it to be on horizontal? I'm thinking that would make it more prominent or more noticeable - assuming you were going to roof it with a metal very similar to present roof would it maybe work to side it with same metal and put a flare or cant on siding so it isn't so strong an abutmentagain please excuse my steppin in but i know you are aware of this unfortunate detail & I'm trying to maintain some integrity in a roof I really like
salud, john
Thanks John, long time no see your name. Patagonia, what a snork, I WISH I was near there,.
Best of my understanding, this flavor of roof architecture ( I am one of 3 homes around here, same era, that have this type roof) was brought by Dutch/French Canadians as they passed down through here on the way to the Gulf area, and became the cajun/acaidians that are there today.
I gave that idea some thoughts early on, as well as other schemes. What I just today arrived at is I'm toying with a copper lid on the ridge box, and still hardie. Dress up the ends with painted trim or corners..maybe copper too. And finishe the copper w/clear coat to keep it looking new longer.
That tends to take away the "I'm trying to hide a flubber fix" and make it "Wow, look at that neat copper architectural detail".
The rusty roof will get a coat of silver, and I can't match that Terne with 5V that is available, I fear mixing and matching or not matching may lead the minds eye to a state of confusion, where some strong horizontal lines may visually shorten it's height, while the copper screams "intent" therefore it must be cool..LOL
Back at it, I hadda sqeeze in a nap...I'll mock up some siding and see what we all think..
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Hey Duane you carry on
will be looking forward to updates
be fun to see those two other roofs like yours if you have a chancealways have it in back of my mind ( funds prevent it ) to have you do a copper roof here in PacNW
remember you have some fond memories of inhabitants Redmond way
Yeah. Thats a plan..LOL Bump into my ex while out there doing your roof..I can see it now. So, ya wanted fireworks with that right?
Ok, I just boomed up the first 8 12' lengths of hardie plank..jeezus, what was I thinking? That stuff is gonna be a royal pain to hang solo...might have to revisit your vision.
Gonna sit here and drink a cold tea while make my plan of just how to stay up there and actually nail the stuff off..I can't get the basket close enough be/c of the step under it, it hits the roof too far back away from the ridge to be useful.
Looks like a fun evening headed my way.
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I can't get the basket close enough be/c of the step under it, it hits the roof too far back away from the ridge to be useful.
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I finally did..duh. To unload on jacks that I put ON the box ridge as stock holders.
Thinking I may make some roof jacks like Walter and ours that have a side strap to clamp to a Standing seam, or lay my chicken sideways and be able to scoot across easier, them dormers are always in the way, no matter what.
Just steeling myself up for the task..Hardie is great stuff, but heavy and brittle for my plan.
I found roof paint for 60 bucks for 5 gallon, the geocel plan was costing me 60 for one gallon (I used 2 on the badder places), and would still need paint..so silver trailer coating it is, soon as I'm done pointing and sideing, hopefully.
Soffit s and wall tarpaper on the gables and I am done with the lift I think.
Hey, thats 39' LF of roof, with 1' long pans..ya think copper is doable? Can ya make me all 1' pans..LOL ( I'm kidding).
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Can ya make me all 1' pans
That's no big deal. It's easier for me to stop out the blanks on the shear and the bend a brake full of them at once than to cut already formed pans.http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
I think we have a plan then, here is where I left off for the night.
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Opps wrong pic, I got the finisher on that side and most of the other done...nasty old dirty hardie I had out for 2 yrs. It'll look better painted and caulked. I azeked the inside and outside corners.
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I'm not clear on what you want copper on.
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Right above where the siding ends, is a 12/12 roof. Its front plane is 12" ridge to edge of sheathing. The blue roof jacks are on it, holding up the hardie I am using for the front 'wall' , its got 5 yr. old UDL scraps on it.
I'm thinking just a cleat ( no drip edge) on the eave, again to keep cost down...I don't know what my next job is, or if there IS one..ya know?
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Maybe you can see the 'roof' in this angle..
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What color you going to paint the roof?
I tried to respond earlier, but my connecton got kerfluey, then I got busy on the chimney..
I'm guessing Silver mobile home type fibered roof coating, I'm OK, with that for the time being.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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I think you should side the ridge with metal scales and hang this off the end:
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Edited to put pic in the post and to add that this is attached to a chimney so when he lights a fire it breathes smoke and flames.
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Looks good, Duane.
On the inside corner issue, I'd either install a corner board with flashing behind it primarily to get out of coping the siding to the stone. Butt both the siding and the stone.
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It is flashed wide, like 4" from the actual crease both ways and laps over the side of the chase bottom/roof flashing.
Corner board it will be. I shudder at copeing the siding to the stonework..both now and future caulking, I ruled that out.
I'm thinking to mimic a REAL chimney, I'm gonna tuck in lead reglets on the sides when I grout and try to mask the fakery...dunno for sure, just wondering if I could pull it off visually.
Now I gotta fine a use for 3 tons of sand, minus about 30 shovels...LOL
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nice work
just for looks, any chance you could fit a clay flue liner over that metal liner?
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duane me thinks you did a heck of a job for the first time,
but do yourself a favor next time and loose the hawk for a grout bag!
way easier and way faster.
I've done my share and never used lime either, I know old timers think thats the way to go though.
don't feel bad about not being able to afford what you want ( copper, etc.)
we are doing about $750,000 worth of work to a mansion built in 1929 and the owners just paid 1.4 mil for it and they want all new copper box gutters and flats but after they got the price it's just getting rubber with copper drip. :)
Really nice job there! Is that daub & wattle, log & chink on the original? I can't see worth a damn anymore. How old is that place?
About 1830-40 ish is the best guesses.
The old stuff that was between the logs was mud and rocks mostly, then lime and mud plasterd over that.
I got it all out, used 2" ridgid foam and squirt foam, next after all the high stuff is done, is add the wire and a similar mortar mix.
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How long do snakes live?
5' on average. After that they get killed.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Wish I lived closer. Playing in the mud is what I love to do.
Bout 10 hours if ya drive like me. And don't miss a turn and wind up in Pittsburgh, like me.
I'll be coming to Pa. sometime in Aug or Sept for sure and will be giving ya a shout before.
Back at it today, more soffit and siding on the high gables. Hope to paint tomorrow..wait'll you see the after pics, you'll flip.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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"I'll be coming to Pa. sometime in Aug or Sept for sure and will be giving ya a shout before."Make sure you do that. I've been a lone wolf these days and I'm really not built for that."I don't stay out late, nowhere to go,
I'm home 'bout eight, just me and my radio..." Fats Waller
I was talking with a geocel rep and she said if coating with an industrial alkyd enamel then 7 days is the cure time for the geocel before applying the paint.
She also said that 4 ft by 4 ft is the max area for total coverage on a roof as they had several complaints about the geocol coating ripping in large roof areas.
'Course I had to ask if off the record that was just a disclaimer to protect themselves and she said yeah as those 3 complaints occurred over the 15years she'd been there.
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Yeah buddy! Monumental days are here, we're closing in on some of the long needed stuff. Grant loaned me the lift, and it's incredible what ya can do when you can get TO what needs working on.
My back has been improving, we had enough loose change to get the materials, and fantastic weather..this is what happens.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Looks good Duane!
Dave
i'm trying to find that pic from years ago.... front elevation... your truck in the yard...
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Like this one?
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That whole wall to the right of the pump jacks is now framed and Hardie, French doors where the white one was under the end dormer,windows and stugg between the logs!!!!
God, I still have a long way to go........Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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yes... but older still.. no addition on the backMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
No, the addition was here when I bought it. It was incomplete because he died while doing it.
That goofy roof line is because he set the shed roof rafters ON the main house ridge, like above and OPEN to the elements. He wasn't a carpenter..there was a gable dormer out back, and he framed the shed roof with the tip top of the gable poking up and out of the shed roof..no, that wouldn't leak..duh.
We live in the addition, the log half is my shop downstairs and storage/music room up stairs. The addition needed as much help as the log house did..I just didn't know how bad it was at first..but hey, it was a STEAL.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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i'll keep looking... very classic picMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
It MUST be this one..this was way early on. I closed on 12/3/03..this was New Yrs day, O4
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that's the one... even got the dog's butt...
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hey,
Sealed the chimney ( sakrete brand sealer) siding up and painted, then on a whim a stuck on all the odds and ends shingles I had laying around just to keep it dried in more better. The roof looks a helluva lot better with a good wire brushing and painting.
Some left over roll ridge and viola'.
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Still need to make and solder on a chase extension for the stone, and do the soffit an high siding work on the side with the scaffold. The other side is done. Figue a way to cover the goofy ridge extension ends too.
If the rain holds off, I may just get it all done today. I think I just did 6, 15 hour days. Everything takes twice as long as I guess it will, as per my usual guesstimates..LOL
Still thinking about copper where the shingles are.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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>>>>>>>>>Still thinking about copper where the shingles are.<<<<<<<
I don't know what that means, but it looks great. Big change.Hey, they'll be coming for the boom tomorrow or Thurs.http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
The very top of the ridge has two courses of shingles and a galv, ridge roll most of the way, I ran out. Thats where it needs a copper standing seam to really set it off. It can wait.
Hate to see the green beast go, but man, I got a lot done, that would have been hell without it. I might have to get wet finishing up a few things before she goes.
Yeah, the house is happy. I'm happy, the wife is awestruck.
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here's where I mean..I got a closer upper of it.
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This will hold the water at bay for now tho'.
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The old place is getting respectable! I have to admit I have an attraction to distressed property for some reason. I wouldn't pretty it up too much myself, but she does need protection from the elements.
Looking good, Duane!!!
Thanks Dave, didn't wanna get it TOO perfect, LOL. It's got dips and dives and swales and humps, but hey, I would too if I was over 150 yrs old and neglected for the last 100.
Pictures don't do it justice, ya have to take in the whole atmosphere to really get the message going on from the house.
Man, I'm bushed..been working dark to dark for days on end.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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I know the fealing!!
Hey, man looks good!
Seriously, nice consistant joints with the double stack
thrown in when apropiate.
keep the mud dry for the joints. Fill it and wait till it wont smear before ya touch it again.
If you do smear it up- wire brushing the next day (no excuses).
Thanks, I'm gonna skip the bag and point off a hawk I think.
What ya use for a sealer on this stuff?
I never did anything like this before, so I'm glad to hear I didn't PO any real masons..I have about 3 stones I'd change if I could, and forgot a few wedgies I didn't remove yet..for the most part, they stuck good, I did have ONE jump off and go all the way to the ground..LOL
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Oh, just check your masonry yard.
if they are clueless the tile shop. Any quality masonry sealer is good. Just nothing with any
gloss.
10-4. I hadn't considered that step till you brought it up.
I need to add on to the copper chase cover too, then clean and paint the roof.
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keep up the good work and don't weaken...another 20 years should do it!I just became caretaker of the ancestral estate, sure am glad I got done with my crib, since g-g-g-grandfathers house needs lots of work - "there's enough for everyone"
Looks pretty good for a Navy boy.
Need tips on pointing? Go to YouTube and check this out from the "Chimneyking". That guy kills me.
Wassamadder Sphere, you got ladyfingers or something? Hey maybe those headaches are cause you're suffering from lime poisoning.
Lol..Yeah, I wear a G suit in the boom lift.
I'll check out the vid ( after I screw it up myself) and see what I shoulda done.
This is like a Venting or Tyvek/felt paper subject, everyone has a dream mix and method...me? I follow my own road (G)
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I do have a question...did you use chicken wire or expanded diamond mesh? If you used chicken, I'm guessing it's holding the scratch coat okay?And seriously, it's a nice look. Good job.Oh, and careful with that red hanky hanging out of your back pocket. Might get you into trouble. Just ask Al Pacino.Oh, and don't tell anyone, but I'm not a Per Mod. I'm the Peer Mod's mod.
I used real mesh. I bent it in my break to get nice crisp corners. Little did I know the lickem stickem stone didn't care, they were all over from being true on the inside corners.
I think I got a good deal on the stone, they threw in an extra box of corners, cuz they had it in the warehouse. I don't have a LOT left over of flats, but plenty of corners..LOL. I can use some in the kitchen ( logs have been stripped, need filling inbetween) and cut the corners and use them as chinking exposed.
Just glad the chase and rafters held the load, it worked out heavier than I planned. Lucky, the house is stout, and I beefed up the rafters way back when.
The neighbors love it, so I guess thats all that matters.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Naw, the video is more for entertainment than education.
Hey, whats the deal with your roof? Should I start to pack?Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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I've been keeping my eye on the price. Best I can find for 16 oz 2' by 10' flat stock sheets is $4 a pound.Oops. Just checked and it's $4.32 a pound. It was below $4 about a week or 10 days ago.<sigh>
"Naw, the video is more for entertainment than education."Entertaining to say the least! One of the vids (Ghastly Chimney 3) shows him with the finished work and he says "All you critics can eat the corn in my sh*t." A real piece of work!
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Yo buddy, I'm getting some cracking in my pointing, my mason bud said it would, and try to keep it wetter longer.
If I do that ,I'm afraid the color will run and stain..should I maybe just mist it? I tried a big acid brush, and it didn't set well with me.
My mix was 6 sand, 2 S, 1 (heavy) lime..I guess the lime makes it shrink more?
5 applesauce scoops ( like Dino's D-Mix and Dunkin Donuts , LOL) of ochre dye..I like it so far.
Here is the west face.
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I'm not near done yet pointing, I ran outta energy after 10 gallons of mud...THANK YOU for the tips, "Dry, leave it alone, brush.." That seemed to be the ticket..I bought a 3/8th" pointer, glad I did, all I have here is a goofy brick spoon and a Ford Brake adjuster tool..LOL
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Hard to tell from here. I doubt it's the dye or the mix. If the mud is to wet it will crack. To old (kicked earlier in the day). Most common problem is drying out to fast. Is the sun beating on it?
Did you wet the rock first? Perhaps a quick review- Stiff mud, compressed into the hole.
Wait till it is past the smearing stage (very important as this also avoids shrinkage after you finish). Go back over the whole thing again and strike the joints.This
can be done many different ways but I - compress and scrape everything back to a uniform depth.
That stage does away with any shrinkage that may have occurred. Then I use a "throw away" china bristle brush to achieve a
perfectly sealed and uniform joint.
Other then that no idea. OH !!
I have had dirty sand kind of separate (crack) once too.
Hmmm. I Didn't wet the joints first. I also didn't make a second strike pass, I just used round stiff parts washing type brush to both remove excess and smoothe out.
I gots the other half to do yet, I shoulda started on the back "no see" side. Mebbe I can brush/ smear a little more into the cracks, or just live with it. I'm running out of time with the boom I'm afraid, and soon gonna have to get back to some paying work.
Man, that pointing took more mud than I woulda thought too..I didn't retemeper any old stuff, it was getting away from me at the end of the second lift and I quit for the day, rain coming tonite and Wed it looks like.
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Hey Sphere
Henley is much more in the know than I but one important part of this whole package ( most importantly if hot sunny ) is to wrap that baby up in something for a slow cure
and if rains are coming you want to do it anywayagain not accomplished in this but I'd put on some rubber gloves and rub some mortar over & in those crack areas after misting and cover real good
Henley better knowledge but I might even throw in dash of concrete bonding agent if joints got real dry
I'm learnin brother John, I'm learnin.
I'll do almost anything to not have to head back up there when I'm 70, and rebuild it.
Unless of course I get my dream wood buner , a russian type , and the whole flue gets stack built anew.
I have all the original Fire place rocks, just no mason that can do what I want, at what I can afford, or in the time frame needed...and so it goes.
Thanks for the thoughts.
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I've used this stuff-
http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100483894
Six months in the slate shower and still beading up.
Some of those products make the stone look varnished(not so good).
This one looks good, but perhaps not as durable.