FHB Logo Facebook LinkedIn Email Pinterest Twitter X Instagram Tiktok YouTube Plus Icon Close Icon Navigation Search Icon Navigation Search Icon Arrow Down Icon Video Guide Icon Article Guide Icon Modal Close Icon Guide Search Icon Skip to content
Subscribe
Log In
  • How-To
  • Design
  • Tools & Materials
  • Restoration
  • Videos
  • Blogs
  • Forum
  • Magazine
  • Members
  • FHB House
  • Podcast
Log In

Discussion Forum

Discussion Forum

Split wainscot panels

RandyNight | Posted in General Discussion on November 25, 2004 07:40am

The building: 2×4 walls with gyp board inside, 3½” fiberglass insulation, blackboard on exterior with brick veneer. Building approx 25 years old.

The job: Built and installed white oak raised panel wainscoting 36″ high on inside of two exterior walls and two interior walls over gyp board. Wainscoting finished both sides with conversion varnish. Individual raised panels stained and sealed on edges before panels assembled in stiles/rails. Job completed in February 2004. Moisture content in lumber OK.

The problem: About 10 of the raised panels on the EXTERIOR walls have split. No problem with interior wall panels. Problem became evident this summer. Customer reported some panels split and sounded like a rifle shot.

My proposed action: Remove panels and replace split raised panels with new ones. Install Tyvek house wrap on gyp board behind wainscot location. Apply 2″ wide by approx 1/8″ thick russian birch furring strips at stud locations. Reinstall wainscoting and trim.

I’m thinking this will allow the conditioned air to flow behind the panels and keep them the same temp/humidity on both sides like the panels on the interior walls have.

Will this work? Any better ideas for my part? Or will the building owner need to take more drastic steps to stop air/moisture infiltration?

Job location: Mississippi. Temp from 25° to 105°. Humidity up to 95% rh.

Thanks for any help.

 

 

 

Reply
  • X
  • facebook
  • linkedin
  • pinterest
  • email
  • add to favorites Log in or Sign up to save your favorite articles

Replies

  1. calvin | Nov 25, 2004 07:58pm | #1

    I assume the panels float in the frame.  Did you use "speedballs" in the rail/stile groove?  Is something pulling this panel apart?  Or is the panel forcing itself apart?

    Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.

    Quittin' Time

    1. User avater
      Sphere | Nov 25, 2004 08:00pm | #3

      Thanx Cal..I fergot about them ballz..never used them. Have you? 

      Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

      Repairs, Remodeling, Restorations. 

       

       

      1. DougU | Nov 25, 2004 08:09pm | #4

        We use them all the time.

        But their not called speedbalz, they are called Spaceballs, http://www.blackbridgeonline.com, this is the web site for tech support, found it on the back of the package.

        They realy do keep the panel from rattling.

        Doug

        1. User avater
          Sphere | Nov 25, 2004 08:16pm | #7

          Wish I'd had them 20 yrs ago..made a Beech Corner unit..talk about shinkage..them panels almost fell out...live and learn. Beech sucks. 

          Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

          Repairs, Remodeling, Restorations. 

           

           

      2. calvin | Nov 26, 2004 03:18am | #11

        Speed Kills.

        Have used them, and have dumped the can over b/4 too.  You've never seen fun till you've chased those spaceballs around the room.

        Hope your stomach can handle dinner.Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.

        Quittin' Time

        1. User avater
          Sphere | Nov 26, 2004 05:09am | #13

          <<Hope your stomach can handle dinner>>Huh? ok, I cooked it...still kicking..loldid you know them birds come with directions?Wife was away, me and dog had pizza first, THEN made the bird..stuffing was kinda "hot" pepper-wise, but all in all..edible.I love alum. foil for the last third of cooking..never woulda thunk that up..Be good Cal..(how's the leg coming along?)oh,,can't pizz ya off w/o a hug to Joyce..happy, happy.
           

          Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

          Repairs, Remodeling, Restorations. 

           

           

    2. RandyNight | Nov 25, 2004 08:15pm | #6

      We did use Space Balls. And we made sure we had no glue contact on the panels. I've been doing raised panels for 17 years and when we done this job I wanted to do everything possible to keep them looking right. That is what has me so stumped on the problem. We center the panel in the opening that is about 1/4" larger and shoot one staple in the top and bottom center of panel edge to hold the panel in place.

      The walls are on the west and north side of building. The drywall does have numerous openings for electrical, CAT5 and such in it.

      Thanks for the responses

      1. davidmeiland | Nov 25, 2004 09:27pm | #8

        How wide are the panels, and are they glued up or one piece?

      2. reinvent | Nov 25, 2004 11:56pm | #9

        If the back side of the panels were exposed to the outside humidity fluctuations the panels might have cracked from bowing, not expanding. Although trapped in the grooves like that will be the same net effect. You know what happens if you soak one side of a board, it cups.
        I made a solid ash table for myself with a top that measures 3' w x 70" L x 1 3/4" T. Had it sprayed with 3 coats of catalyzed lacquer all around. A few years back I had it in a storage facility (no heat). When I set it up at home the top wouldn't lay flat. The whole top had cupped bought 1/2" up on the sides (yes I alternated the growth rings). Took bought a month in a stable environment for it to relax back to flat. And that's coated all around like your panels. Suspect your panels on the outside walls are being slamed with those temp and humidity swings, and they can't keep up.

        1. User avater
          Sphere | Nov 26, 2004 12:28am | #10

          Tho' I respect your posts , I must disagree with your scenario..cupping is a result of expansion, not contraction. An example as you descibed is swelling. His/her cracking/ splitting is from constraint across the grain.A slab o' wood always moves, as you have noted, splitting or cracking is due to restiction of that movement..most of the time swelling is what you have described..(side note, NO finish, I repeat, NO FINISH, is impervious to the hydroscopic nature of wood, )
          I am not picking nits here,,,(ok, I am) but your results are not the same as the poster's.what has happened is the tangential or radial shrinkage has exceeded the restraints imposed by faulty construction.I will stand by that, and be assured that I coud remidie the problem without tearing into the wall structure of the dwelling.Go lightly, here..I don't need a pizzing contest, and refuse to engage. 

          Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

          Repairs, Remodeling, Restorations. 

           

           

        2. RandyNight | Nov 26, 2004 06:01am | #14

          I can easily believe that the panels picked up moisture before losing it and splitting. And yes, they do show some cupping. The panels were a snug fit in the stiles/rails.

          The panel strips were 3" or less in width with grain direction reversed when glued up. Finished size of panels is 16" - 18" wide, about 20" high

          Edited 11/25/2004 10:09 pm ET by RandyNight

          1. User avater
            goldhiller | Nov 26, 2004 07:02am | #15

            Randy, I'd personally be inclined to toss some more layers of finish on the backside of those panels only ......as well as install the "air-flow spacers" strips you spoke of.....when you proceed with repairs. If the panels are cupping, it's definitely a sign that the moisture exposure is unequal on the face and back and anything you can do to mitigate that will be beneficial.This is all a bummer I'm sure. Tough situation with solid-wood raised panels on the wall construction you describe....in that type of environment.I suppose to make matters worse for the wood panels, the interior is ACed to boot. Arrgh.Knowledge is power, but only if applied in a timely fashion.

      3. User avater
        goldhiller | Nov 26, 2004 04:53am | #12

        Randy, Here's what I think has happened to you, 'er I should say… your panels.You said the MC of the wood was "okay" at the time of construction and assembly. But…….the best/safest way to produce raised panels for frames in this situation would've been to have that wood at the highest MC anticipated throughout the year. Since I suspect that yours was not, I'm gonna guess that what has happened is that the panels swelled in width as a result of long-term exposure to high humidity levels……and the tongues of those raised panels managed to wedge themselves tightly in the frame dadoes. When the time came for the panels to shrink back down with the drop in RH, less force was required for the panels to relieve themselves via splitting than was required for the panel tongues to free themselves from their wedged position. End result is a split panel.The straighter the grain of the panel, the more apt it is to split in this scenario than to break free again at the edge joint. Consequently, I'll also suspect that the panels on the exterior wall, which didn't split, had an internal graining strong enough to break free at their edges instead.
        The panels on the interior walls weren't presented with the same amount of free moisture to absorb and so didn't create the same problem.From what I can tell, you did everything just fine except you fit the panel edges just a tad too tight for the situation at hand. It's a touchy business most of the time trying to get a nice looking fit and still allow for some seasonal swelling. Sometimes a guy doesn't leave quite enough room and then there's trouble. Knowledge is power, but only if applied in a timely fashion.

  2. User avater
    Sphere | Nov 25, 2004 07:58pm | #2

    Back up...if the panels split, they were NOT floating in the frames. Either ya nailed them so they couldnot shrink, or glued them in tite.

    Any raised panel needs to float in the grooves..esp the top and bottom grooves (assuming the panels have grain oriented vertically)

    Check that b4 ya go tearing up the whole place.

     

    Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

    Repairs, Remodeling, Restorations. 

     

     

    1. davidmeiland | Nov 25, 2004 08:10pm | #5

      Sphere is correct, a raised panel must float in the grooves all the way around. Panels WILL shrink, and the smart money is on staining around the edge prior to assembly, so that the inevitable shrinkage will not reveal an unstained line as the panel pulls out of the frame slightly. If solid wood panels are nailed from the back into the frame, or glued into their dado, it's a problem.

      I wouldn't bother with putting a moisture barrier behind the panels. Some air space would be a good idea. Convincing the HO to add a humidifer to their scorched air heating system would also help a lot.

Log in or create an account to post a comment.

Sign up Log in

Become a member and get full access to FineHomebuilding.com

Video Shorts

Categories

  • Business
  • Code Questions
  • Construction Techniques
  • Energy, Heating & Insulation
  • General Discussion
  • Help/Work Wanted
  • Photo Gallery
  • Reader Classified
  • Tools for Home Building

Discussion Forum

Recent Posts and Replies

  • |
  • |
  • |
  • |
  • |
  • |
View More Create Post

Up Next

Video Shorts

Featured Story

Custom Built-ins With Job-Site Tools

From building boxes and fitting face frames to installing doors and drawers, these techniques could be used for lots of cabinet projects.

Featured Video

Video: Build a Fireplace, Brick by Brick

Watch mason Mike Mehaffey construct a traditional-style fireplace that burns well and meets current building codes.

Related Stories

  • Guest Suite With a Garden House
  • Podcast Episode 688: Obstructed Ridge Vent, Buying Fixer-Uppers, and Flashing Ledgers
  • FHB Podcast Segment: Finding the Right Fixer-Upper
  • Keeping It Cottage-Sized

Highlights

Fine Homebuilding All Access
Fine Homebuilding Podcast
Tool Tech
Plus, get an extra 20% off with code GIFT20

"I have learned so much thanks to the searchable articles on the FHB website. I can confidently say that I expect to be a life-long subscriber." - M.K.

Get home building tips, offers, and expert advice in your inbox

Signing you up...

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
See all newsletters
See all newsletters

Fine Homebuilding Magazine

  • Issue 332 - July 2025
    • Custom Built-ins With Job-Site Tools
    • Fight House Fires Through Design
    • Making the Move to Multifamily
  • Issue 331 - June 2025
    • A More Resilient Roof
    • Tool Test: You Need a Drywall Sander
    • Ducted vs. Ductless Heat Pumps
  • Issue 330 - April/May 2025
    • Deck Details for Durability
    • FAQs on HPWHs
    • 10 Tips for a Long-Lasting Paint Job
  • Issue 329 - Feb/Mar 2025
    • Smart Foundation for a Small Addition
    • A Kominka Comes West
    • Making Small Kitchens Work
  • Issue 328 - Dec/Jan 2024
    • How a Pro Replaces Columns
    • Passive House 3.0
    • Tool Test: Compact Line Lasers

Fine Home Building

Newsletter Sign-up

  • Fine Homebuilding

    Home building tips, offers, and expert advice in your inbox.

  • Green Building Advisor

    Building science and energy efficiency advice, plus special offers, in your inbox.

  • Old House Journal

    Repair, renovation, and restoration tips, plus special offers, in your inbox.

Signing you up...

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
See all newsletters

Follow

  • Fine Homebuilding

    Dig into cutting-edge approaches and decades of proven solutions with total access to our experts and tradespeople.

    Start Free Trial Now
    • Facebook
    • Instagram
    • X
    • LinkedIn
  • GBA Prime

    Get instant access to the latest developments in green building, research, and reports from the field.

    Start Free Trial Now
    • Facebook
    • YouTube
  • Old House Journal

    Learn how to restore, repair, update, and decorate your home.

    Subscribe Now
    • Facebook
    • Instagram
    • X
  • Fine Homebuilding

    Dig into cutting-edge approaches and decades of proven solutions with total access to our experts and tradespeople.

    Start Free Trial Now
    • Facebook
    • Instagram
    • X
    • LinkedIn
  • GBA Prime

    Get instant access to the latest developments in green building, research, and reports from the field.

    Start Free Trial Now
    • Facebook
    • YouTube
  • Old House Journal

    Learn how to restore, repair, update, and decorate your home.

    Subscribe Now
    • Facebook
    • Instagram
    • X

Membership & Magazine

  • Online Archive
  • Start Free Trial
  • Magazine Subscription
  • Magazine Renewal
  • Gift a Subscription
  • Customer Support
  • Privacy Preferences
  • About
  • Contact
  • Advertise
  • Careers
  • Terms of Use
  • Site Map
  • Do not sell or share my information
  • Privacy Policy
  • Accessibility
  • California Privacy Rights

© 2025 Active Interest Media. All rights reserved.

Fine Homebuilding receives a commission for items purchased through links on this site, including Amazon Associates and other affiliate advertising programs.

  • Home Group
  • Antique Trader
  • Arts & Crafts Homes
  • Bank Note Reporter
  • Cabin Life
  • Cuisine at Home
  • Fine Gardening
  • Fine Woodworking
  • Green Building Advisor
  • Garden Gate
  • Horticulture
  • Keep Craft Alive
  • Log Home Living
  • Military Trader/Vehicles
  • Numismatic News
  • Numismaster
  • Old Cars Weekly
  • Old House Journal
  • Period Homes
  • Popular Woodworking
  • Script
  • ShopNotes
  • Sports Collectors Digest
  • Threads
  • Timber Home Living
  • Traditional Building
  • Woodsmith
  • World Coin News
  • Writer's Digest
Active Interest Media logo
X
X
This is a dialog window which overlays the main content of the page. The modal window is a 'site map' of the most critical areas of the site. Pressing the Escape (ESC) button will close the modal and bring you back to where you were on the page.

Main Menu

  • How-To
  • Design
  • Tools & Materials
  • Video
  • Blogs
  • Forum
  • Project Guides
  • Reader Projects
  • Magazine
  • Members
  • FHB House

Podcasts

  • FHB Podcast
  • ProTalk

Webinars

  • Upcoming and On-Demand

Podcasts

  • FHB Podcast
  • ProTalk

Webinars

  • Upcoming and On-Demand

Popular Topics

  • Kitchens
  • Business
  • Bedrooms
  • Roofs
  • Architecture and Design
  • Green Building
  • Decks
  • Framing
  • Safety
  • Remodeling
  • Bathrooms
  • Windows
  • Tilework
  • Ceilings
  • HVAC

Magazine

  • Current Issue
  • Past Issues
  • Magazine Index
  • Subscribe
  • Online Archive
  • Author Guidelines

All Access

  • Member Home
  • Start Free Trial
  • Gift Membership

Online Learning

  • Courses
  • Project Guides
  • Reader Projects
  • Podcast

More

  • FHB Ambassadors
  • FHB House
  • Customer Support

Account

  • Log In
  • Join

Newsletter

Get home building tips, offers, and expert advice in your inbox

Signing you up...

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
See all newsletters
See all newsletters

Follow

  • X
  • YouTube
  • instagram
  • facebook
  • pinterest
  • Tiktok

Join All Access

Become a member and get instant access to thousands of videos, how-tos, tool reviews, and design features.

Start Your Free Trial

Subscribe

FHB Magazine

Start your subscription today and save up to 70%

Subscribe

Enjoy unlimited access to Fine Homebuilding. Join Now

Already a member? Log in

We hope you’ve enjoyed your free articles. To keep reading, become a member today.

Get complete site access to expert advice, how-to videos, Code Check, and more, plus the print magazine.

Start your FREE trial

Already a member? Log in

Privacy Policy Update

We use cookies, pixels, script and other tracking technologies to analyze and improve our service, to improve and personalize content, and for advertising to you. We also share information about your use of our site with third-party social media, advertising and analytics partners. You can view our Privacy Policy here and our Terms of Use here.

Cookies

Analytics

These cookies help us track site metrics to improve our sites and provide a better user experience.

Advertising/Social Media

These cookies are used to serve advertisements aligned with your interests.

Essential

These cookies are required to provide basic functions like page navigation and access to secure areas of the website.

Delete My Data

Delete all cookies and associated data