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   MikeHennessy | Apr 22, 2009 06:33pm | #1

   I use 1/4" crown (narrow).

   One use? Whatever Harbor Freight is selling today. LOL!

   Mike Hennessy
   Pittsburgh, PA

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   DaveRicheson | Apr 22, 2009 07:43pm | #2

   I have a 1/4" Bostich, but it only shoots up to 1 1/4".

   I'm going over 1" of rigid foam and into 1/2" cdx, so I need someting that will shoot between 1 1/2" to 2".

   I am surprized that a 1/4" narrow crown will work. I envisioned problems getting the legs of the staples to straddle the metal lath. Nice to know because I think I might change the installation order on the second half of this project. 

    

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   MikeHennessy | Apr 22, 2009 08:08pm | #3

   Over foam, huh? Not sure about that one. I'd be tempted to use something that gives more support than a staple would. And I'd also try to hit studs rather than the ply. Maybe ask the stone supplier?

   Mike HennessyPittsburgh, PA

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   DaveRicheson | Apr 22, 2009 11:56pm | #8

   I did several years ago when I went to a seminar on the stuff, but they didn't have an answer for me then.

   Maybe I'll get one now, cause I'm spend some $$ this time, instead of just being some DA carpenter attending one of the seminars.

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   Malo | Apr 22, 2009 11:07pm | #5

   Use roofing nails. Really.

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   DaveRicheson | Apr 22, 2009 11:52pm | #6

   I was thinking that.

   Figured someone would shoot me down if I was off base on the staples.

   Course I could always use some support fer gettin another toy, ah,er,... tool that is :~)

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   Malo | Apr 22, 2009 11:55pm | #7

   Meet me 1/2 way and I'll loan my Bostitch roofer , you gotta buy the long nails tho' all I have are 1.25".

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   frammer52 | Apr 22, 2009 08:15pm | #4

   Dave, Harbor freight has one for 20.00 that shoots 2 in staples.  18 guage.

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   Piffin | Apr 23, 2009 01:13am | #9

   You think 18ga staples are going to hold the weight of a stucco mud base on the wall?Put up warning signs where you work. 

    

   Welcome to the Taunton University of Knowledge FHB Campus at Breaktime. where ... Excellence is its own reward!

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   Malo | Apr 23, 2009 01:25am | #10

   LOL...EXACTLY my thinking.

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   frammer52 | Apr 23, 2009 01:39am | #11

   Not even close.  He was the one that suggested. 

   I have never seen or used anything but roofers, myself>G<

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   DaveRicheson | Apr 23, 2009 01:57am | #13

   Staples were what they used on the demonstration wall at the synthetic stone seminar. They installed the lath over 30# felt, over 1/2" cdx.

   I'll take Malo and piffens advice and use roofing nails.

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   frammer52 | Apr 23, 2009 02:12am | #14

   I would also suggest as the nails are a tad thicker than 18 guage.

   I will say this, I used to own a staple gun, can't remember the name, that would nail up and wouldn't be a problem.  The stqaples legs were as thick as 15 guage.

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   DaveRicheson | Apr 23, 2009 01:49am | #12

   Don't know.

   That's why I posted.

   Figured you guys would straighten me out.

   I'll use roofing nails and tapcons where I overlap the foundation wall.

   I'm doing all the prep work and will have a mason do the stone work. Saves me a few bucks on the front end and I know the flashing and drainage details are correct.

   I've worked with way to many subs that don't know diddly about the correct way to detail flashing or drainage planes, and they don't even try to keep up or learn anything beyond "that's the way we've always done it."

   What I do know after 35 years in the trades is what I don't know.

    It is always better to run it up the flag pole here and pick out what seems to be the best solution(s).

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   KFC | Apr 23, 2009 08:42am | #16

   Fasteners aside, I'm curious what special details flashing for a synthetic stone face require.  Is it pretty much the same as 3-coat stucco?  weep screeds etc.?

   k

    

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   DaveRicheson | Apr 23, 2009 02:51pm | #17

   The only stucco I have ever seen on a job around here was over 25 years ago on a bank we built.

   I have looked at the details for both stone and three coat stucco and they are practically the same. I have looked at two synthetic stone jobs thus far. Neither one used a weep screed, so they left me wondering what else was left out. I have yet to get bids from either of the two masons, although it has been three weeks since I sent them prints. I've got a third one I'll be meeting this weekend. I require referances and phone number/addresses in order to put eyeballs on thier work. The list gets shorter when those items are mentioned.

   Real stucco installers are a dying breed around here and I don't think the masons that are doing synthetic stone realize just how similar it is to stucco. Like i told Piffen, it gives me the willies to think that some of these guys know less about thier trade than I can learn here and with a little research.

   I'll keep searching untill I find someone that impresses me, or decide to just do it all myself.

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   Pelipeth | Apr 23, 2009 03:23am | #15

   Bostich

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   mikerooney | Apr 23, 2009 03:35pm | #18

   If you already have a roofer, use that. Or you could pick up
   http://www.toolbarn.com/product/senco/3L0003N/

   Advantages of a stapler are it's lighter, more ergonomic, don't have to re-load as often, and the staples are cheaper than roofin' nails.

   Either Lowe's or Home Depot is sellin' the Senco, but I can't remember which place I saw it at.

   Last stucco job I did must have been 20 years ago and we hand-nailed the lathe with 2" roofin' nails.

   I am in favor of waterboardin', but only on people who use the euphemism "enhanced interrogation techniques".
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   BillBrennen | Apr 24, 2009 08:24pm | #19

   The best stapler for this would be the Bostitch 1" crown stapler, shhots up to 2" leg length staples. Wire gauge is 16. Here it is: http://www.bostitch.com/default.asp?TYPE=PRODUCT&PARTNUMBER=450S2

   Bill

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   BillBrennen | Apr 24, 2009 08:27pm | #20

   Dave,

   I forgot to add, stay away from the Senco wide crown stapler. The Bostitch is much better. You can always sell it when you are done with the current job, but I kept mine and use it more than I thought I would.

   Bill

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   KenHill3 | Apr 25, 2009 05:11am | #21

   Yup. Keep those wide staplers for doing comp. roofing.