I built this stoop about a decade ago – kept meaning to build a shake roof and redo the door with some glass . . .
Last night, I went to Depot and got some material – it was time.
Here it is this AM –
I just toe-nailed on more 6×6 – the posts will get sheathed in 1×8 Clear Yellow Pine – braced and squared to the crooked old house – rafters and purlins in –
Forrest
Edited 11/9/2008 5:33 pm ET by McDesign
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I wanted to do the crown easily under the heavy pine shakes, so I beveled and ripped the purlins at the 38 degree spring angle of the crown.
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Crown on - shakes will protrude 2" further on rake and eave -
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Forrest
Edited 11/9/2008 5:37 pm ET by McDesign
Finished up; beam between post sheathed in 1X -
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Kiwi in the foreground.
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Forrest
Edited 11/9/2008 5:39 pm ET by McDesign
Even got the beadboard (plywood) ceiling in and the internal crown -View Image
As always, scribing is fun!View Image
Forrest - yes, I worked all day, and I'm enjoying DW's homemade chicken pot pie and Negro Modelo
Edited 11/9/2008 5:48 pm ET by McDesign
Hey - I'm just tryin' to get things back on track here, with everybody's favorite, a build thread.
Forrest
Looks good Forest,
Thanx for sharing.
Do you back-prime your beaded ply and trim before you install it?
Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
I will from the top before I put on the felt and shakes - that's all still open right now. Given that this isn't heated, I'm not to worried about back-priming completely.
I'm hoping I can peck away on this in the dark after work this week, and finish up next weekend and paint.
Forrest
We've all been banned, and now your playingto an empty house.
It DOES look good, you forgot the stoop light wires in the cieling tho'.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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BRING BACK SPLINTY.
Actually, there's a nice seeded glass and verdegris lantern that goes here (yes, with the correct box) - removed for safekeeping. I'm going to take out the top two floating pnaels in the door and replace them with glass. It's just the maid's room, but we want to keep her happy!
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Forrest - boy - it sure echoes in here now!
Edited 11/9/2008 7:59 pm ET by McDesign
Forrest, are you not able to "keep the maid happy"?
Seeing this thread maid ME happy! I need to do something over my door to the garden...~SG
Becoming an office weenie seems to be good for your OWN house ;)
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You know it! And I thought all those years ago, "hey - I'll be able to work on my own house more now!"
Freakin' hah!
Forrest
Be careful. You get the house looking too good and TileGal will want to sell it.
jt8
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Looks like you get some pretty decent SYTP down there. I have to order a bunk to be able to get good clear stuff
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It's true - and this isn't from my normal lumberyard cuz it was Saturday night - just Home Depot. I got (8) 1x8s to skin those 6x6s, maybe tonight.
Forrest
So you'll nail the shakes to the purlins? They'll act as skip sheathing?
Good call on the Modelo.
Yes - the shakes are 24" long, and have a 10" exposure. Every layer gets an 18" wide layer of #30 felt over the top 4" (where there's triple shingle coverage).
Forrest
Hey - it's Friday again of my 4-day office week! Who cares if it's raw and rainy!
So - this porch I built ~15 years ago has the LifePine shakes, but they don't show. So, I decided to take the nice, aged shakes down and put them on the new stoop roof, and replace this one with metal so we can hear the rain in the kitchen - memories of growing up, and all.
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This crown and facia was removed long ago when the roof went on - the flat roof above is where I had the squirrel-induced leakage last week -
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Up on top - yes, it's slippery as he!! -
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Stripped down to pulins - not too big of a pile of broken shake down below. Before I replace that porch roof, I'll build a flat work platform above and finish off the second floor wall repair and painting. Note - I did screw a board down to the well top to retain the bottom of my ladder - I guess we've all been concious of falls lately.
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Aged shake ready to go up after lunch -
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Forrest
Edited 11/14/2008 12:23 pm ET by McDesign
Where'd you find all that railing?! I must have missed that one.
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I made 'em. They're actually fairly beefy spindles from Lowe's a few years ago - I bought all they had. Rails are just CCA 2x4 & 4x4 & 2x6. I spun the CCA spindles in my little lathe and sanded and primed them. It's all been weathering for paint prep for maybe a year or eight!
Think I'll focus on the back of the house this late fall.
Forrest
So - I cut a roll of #30 in half, and layered it in between every course. I'd love to post a pic, but I just got finished (hooray) and it's dark and raining.
Columns I guess tomorrow.
Forrest - warm and dry now
I cut a roll of #30 in half,
The big question is how'd you do that. I dread shake jobs for just that reason. Never found a great way to "cut a roll in half". http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
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I used to be able to buy 18" felt. But that went the way of snappy banter in the tavern.http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
I recall the Marula Stud night mare cutting the rolls, we didn't use it at Perryville tho'..hmm? Wonder why?Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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we didn't use it at Perryville tho'..hmm? Wonder why?
'Cause it wasn't spec'd. The architecture firm on that job was from Egypt or some where. If we'd done it right they'd have made us tear it off and do it to their specs. BL was adamant about following the spec's.
He's retired and I miss him. I saw his ex-partner a couple of weeks ago (he's the one that took me to the hospital when I had my worst fall - I puked on his dash board on the way to the ER). http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
I miss him too, he was great to work with. Didn't know he retired, I thought to maybe call him and see if he needed a hand with anything.
I remember the Arch's Reps coming out there and looking for the SS nails, and eyeing up that junky oak. They loved it, I thought it was garbage all being so narrow and red oak instead of white.
Need to drive out there and see how it held up. Should be due for a new roof by now (G).Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Forrest
Edited 11/14/2008 6:59 pm ET by McDesign
That's how I've always done it. Works great for one roll. Blade cloggs up there after.http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
In CO and in TX, I always just ordered it that way. I don't even remember the official name, but we called it split thirty. you would get a roll of 30# that had been knived as it rolled up at the factory7 except a small connect maybe every 30' or so holding it together. Then you take the paper wrapper off, and drop the roll across another roll and you have two 18" rolls of 30# ready to use.Then when I moved east, I found I could not buy it that way unless I ordered full pallets and waited three weeks, so I backroll and cut by hand, like we did on BURT roofs.
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Forrest, I bet your wife never gripes at you about never doing anything around the house. :)
Well, I'm lousy on cleaning and putting things away!
Here's the new stoop roof from my neighbor's back balcony - looks like it's always been there -View Image
The new column "sleeves" will be 1" larger than the 6x6s. I puzzled over how to accurately mark my railing cut, then figured out to use scrap 1x as a SawzAll guide -View Image
I went ahead and removed the horizontal sections - the spacing of the balusters is wrong now, so I'll just redo and paint them in the shop -View Image
These are SYP 1x8s ripped to 6-3/4, with three sides screwed & glued in the shop. Then they're slipped over the 6xs and shimmed, and the final side screwed in. Hard to see, but they are spaced up from the floor 1/2" to let 'em ventilate and stay out of the water. They still get crown and plinth molding tomorrow - I'll paint them green with red crown, like the house corner boards, I think -View Image
Forrest
Edited 11/15/2008 6:44 pm ET by McDesign
Roof detail - I used 6p SS ring-shanked box nails (skinny). You can also see how close the end balusters are to the 6x6s - would almost touch the 7-1/2" columns -View Image
Forrest
Edited 11/15/2008 6:53 pm ET by McDesign
Love it Forrest! Great job on the shake salvage/re-use.
Also a big fan of the guage block sawzall guide. Used it many times.The best reward for a job well done is the opportunity to do another.
Forrest,I figured we see a picture later, but thought I'd ask to make sure. I have some similar columns where the sleeves have now rotted & need replacing. How do you detail the bottom of your columns to cover that 1" gap you left between the SYP & the floor? Anything to keep the insects & other critters out or cover the gap?Thanks again for taking the time to post.
Edited 11/16/2008 7:02 am ET by bd
Don't think they'll ever see water - pretty good overhang. Certainly none from up top inside. Bugs are welcome; can't fight the carpenter bees anyway! The base trim I'll put around them will protect the end grain from splatter.
Gotta build a wind tunnel today.
Forrest
Capitals, bases, and balustrade sections -
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Forrest
Edited 11/21/2008 7:54 pm ET by McDesign
Looks nice as always. Make it look so damn easy.
thanks for keeping the build threads around.
-d
Thanks - just tryin' to hep' this ball team.
All in virginal primer white - I sanded it at 19 degrees early this AM! Hope the primer sticks - it did get to 50 in the afternoonView Image
Some before pix - the balustrade, after seasoning all the treated wood for many years -View Image
Bondo and filling and sanding during Car Talk and Wait - Wait - Don't tell Me this morning on NPR. Next is caulking the bottom baluster joints, then the red and green extravaganza.View Image
Forrest
Edited 11/22/2008 6:29 pm ET by McDesign
More painting before turkey today - almost finished; still need to finish and re-install the balustrade.
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Love cuttting-in, luckily!
Forrest
Edited 11/27/2008 8:36 pm ET by McDesign
Forrest, don't forget to paint that door while your there.:) looks good as usual!
Now for the door and the floor.
I've been ignoring all those minimum temps on paint application - I've never had a problem (though i only take chances on my own house)
Lots of this was painted below 32; some below 20. Dry and windy; seems fine - we'll see!
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Forrest
Edited 12/23/2008 6:09 pm ET by McDesign
Freeze dried paint! Gotta admire you cold weather workers, I don't like it so much anymore. I used to have to glaze windows in the cold, you had to work the glazing compound forever to soften it up.
I like the color scheme, but how were you able to paint in 20° temps? Didn't the paint freeze on the brush?
I agree that the temperature caution on most paint is VERY conservative, but you're pushing the limits and then some :-)
The paint stays in my shop, where it stays no colder than 45-50. Doesn't seem to thicken up as I paint, but you can see there's a lot of color changing, and never very long with one color!
I had painted the garden house I built for DW for Christmas 6-7 years ago in 15-20 weather, and it's fine so far. Just good WB Porter.
Forrest - crossing my fingers
Actually, latex paint freezes well below 32F. But I'm not painting at 20 degrees because it's just wrong.
Yeah - I would only do it for me, on a place I can get back to without a ladder!
Forrest
I'm usually painting in heatstroke weather, which is almost as bad as cold weather, but not.
Don:He's in Georgia. 20 degrees is really 40
looks good does it normally get that cold where you are?
Yeah - we get clost to 32 the way y'all get close to 0 - sort of a "Southern Celsius" thing.
Forrest
Okay - finally did the door. Took a while to get the tempered glass I wanted to replace the top two panels. It's really changed the feel in the little suite!
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Great place to sit in the sun -View Image
Looks like a little shop!View Image
Forrest
Edited 2/2/2009 6:08 am ET by McDesign
How bout replacing the bottom panels as well?A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
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Dang - it's too late now! I had taken the door completely apart and looked at that, but liked it better with two solids
Forrest
"but liked it better with two solids"
Go with your gut. I think the lower panels are covered by the ballustrade, anyway. Looks great!A La Carte Government funding... the real democracy.
Lookin good! how's the car coming?
Thanks! Car is resting while I think about the best way to hinge the rear body.
Forrest
I currently have a 69 mercury marquis convertible in my shop getting patch panels made around the rear wheel I could only find them one place and they only had the one side i didn't need so i made them myself . tack welded one in place tonight. :)
Cool! Got pix?
Forrest
not yet, will take some with my phone