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Strong Tie Framing Question.

blownonfuel | Posted in Construction Techniques on July 1, 2008 06:52am

Hello. If you are using ties to tie studs into top and bottom plates do you still end or toe nail the studs and then add the tie and nail it also?

In other words if I am framing a new wall on the ground do I put the wall together using the ties only and raise it that way, or do I end or toe nail the studs to the plates, raise the wall, then add the ties?

I guess I just want to know if using ties to frame walls removes the need to frame using conventional (no ties used) wall framing techniques.

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    BossHog | Jul 01, 2008 06:58pm | #1

    It seems to me that it's easier to frame the wall the usual way. the straps can be added on a rain day after the roof is on.

    I certainly don't think that the straps eliminate the requirement that the studs be nailed to the plates...

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    1. blownonfuel | Jul 01, 2008 07:22pm | #2

      Thanks Boss. So you need to frame to code using nails then add the ties on top of that.

      1. segundo | Jul 01, 2008 08:36pm | #3

        why add the ties to a conventionally framed wall?

        whats the matter with just framing normally?

        what are you trying to accomplish, or do you just want to be different?

        1. blownonfuel | Jul 01, 2008 09:39pm | #5

          I live just outside of what is tornado alley.We get hurricanes in my neck of the woods.I would rather have them and not need them than need them and not have them.

          1. segundo | Jul 02, 2008 01:27am | #8

            thank you, now that i know what you are trying to accomplish i think i can offer much better advise.

            first of all i would put shear paneling on the entire exterior of the structure. in some high wind areas code says you should not break plywood laps closer than 1 foot to the plates. that means on a two story the plywood has to stick up past the bottom plate of the top story wall by at least a foot, and you need to have solid blocking for the plywood break to land on. you can lay the solid block flat so you have a 3&1/2" surface for the plywood breaks and nailing.

            this method of plywood shearing fastens the wall structure in two planes, the wall itself is nailed vertically, up and down, the shear is nailed horizontally, sideways. this method will do much more than the metal clips.

            second i would add spray in foam insulation to further glue and strengthen the structure.

            i would reccomend 5/8" ply for high wind areas, and you could also apply construction adhesive to the studs/plates before installing shear. if you do this the metal clips are redundant when used to attach studs to plates. they add nothing.

          2. blownonfuel | Jul 02, 2008 05:23am | #9

            Thanks Segundo. I will be adding plywood to the exterior but it is a single story.Thanks for the idea of adhesive between studs and the plywood. I'll have to look at who does the foam insulation in my area.

  2. bolanger | Jul 01, 2008 09:07pm | #4

    Don't know if code allows it...but...you would have to check the connector and see not only  the allowable uplift  but also the allowable parrallel to the plate..see simpson catalog notes on page 164  (c2006)

    1. blownonfuel | Jul 01, 2008 09:44pm | #6

      Thanks Bolanger. My local building codes don't require ties but I want to add them for insurance.

      1. JohnSprungX | Jul 01, 2008 11:46pm | #7

        Instead of little tin pieces on all the ends of all the sticks, check out the long threaded rod deals that basically give you an extremely strong tension member holding the top plate down to the footing.  They can give you a tougher building for less labor. 

        A complete design is essential.  Looking at the whole structure rather than adding strength piecemeal can be the difference between a house that stays in one piece, and a house that merely comes apart into bigger pieces than it would have without the extra hardware. 

         

        -- J.S.

         

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