If a exterior wall is sheathed on the ground before standing it how would you then attach strong ties that are meant to go from the joists to d.t.p to studs?
Anyone from Florida here on the forums? I wonder how they do it? Do they always sheath after walls are up then install all the strong ties?
In certain scenarios, flat roofs make more sense than pitched roofs (and vice versa).
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I have always attached ties after the building is up and roof dried in from the inside on a stepladder
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attached ties after the building is up and roof dried in from the inside
Seismic & Wind "rules" have gotten to be ground-to-sky of late. So the path is rafter to stud, stud to foundation.
I've been curious as to whether this has changed the habits of some builders.
Here in Texas, almost nobody, even the tract builders, box-build anyway, so adding the wind-zone ties can be done after the "sticks" go up, since the sheathing is after that anyway.
Just one more rgional variation on things, I suppose.Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
Hello CapnMac. When you say "box build" do you mean sheathing on the ground?Thanks
When you say "box build" do you mean sheathing on the ground?
I do. From the way the assembled walls seem to raise up like the sides of a box, is how I was taught it.
"Stick" building being the way most of Texas seems to do it, everthing going in one stick at a time.
The thought of not framing a wall flat and tipping it up as an entire assembly will leave some readers here completely boggled, too. About like asking any local framers "how much snow is too much to frame in?" <g> (San Marcos in snow--there's a thought <G>; ice on the Comal, oh my <g>)Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
The thought of not framing a wall flat and tipping it up as an entire assembly will leave some readers here completely boggled, too.
Framing walls without sheathing isn't mind boggling at all. If that's what your saying.
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without sheathing isn't mind boggling at all. If that's what your saying.
Nah, it's the, shoot down a plate; then toe in a stud; brace that, and toe in another stud; throw on a top plate after the first four, five studs are up--that sort of method.Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
Nah, it's the, shoot down a plate; then toe in a stud; brace that, and toe in another stud; throw on a top plate after the first four, five studs are up--that sort of method.
Who does that? I did see a framing crew do that back in 1985. I thought that I was seeing things. Then I found out that they just started framing.
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Joe,
About 6 years ago, the framers across the street from us went around the entire perimeter of a house toenailing the studs to the mudsill (house was a split level) and then put the topplates on.
Lumber truck driver asks who would do it that way? Answer, them :-)
We'll do it sometimes where there isn't room. Today Kyle toenailed the studs to the sill in the garage, then Matt boomed him up on the forklift and Kyle nailed the topplates. It was quicker than moving everything in the garage.
Who does that?
Most of the hombres doing framing in the 800 x 600 miles which is Texas
Asl Jim if you don't believe me--he's close to some of the most rapid growth (tract builders, too) in Texas.
It's a combination of cut-up walls in plan, s-o-g foundations, and being quick-n-young.
It's worse in Houston (if txlandlord wer still around he'd so attest) they often "miss" bby entire studs on tract plans--and that's "close enough" for the tract builders, even when that means chopping up entire batches of face brick veneer.Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
What piffin said.
After standing walls .
I am rethinking part of that. Some ties require placement over the rafter now, so before roof sheathing. Most of our hardware, I try to be able to do after we are inside the structure. That way we are in out of the rain or the wind or the heat and the wind. A climate like this means saving your rainyday work for rainy days. Even a lot of our floor joist hangers go on after a couple weeks. That has another advantage in that the lumber has time to dry and shrink to final dimension.
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Good Point about some hardware needing to be placed before roof sheathing goes on.
I was trying to stick to the before or after walls are up part of the OP's question.
It is possible at times to place the floor to floor tie brackets on the walls while framing them on the deck but I find it easier for me to wait and have "hardware days".
Exceptions are when intersecting walls etc. will prevent access to the tie plates for installation.
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Piffin some of my ties would go underneath the sheathing, well now that I think about it does it matter if the tie is inside or outside of the exterior wall?
That would be answered by your simpson specs and your local building inspector. I think I have seen some drawings of them on the exterior, but don't know if that is a requirement for meeting designed load ratings or just an artists conception
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Thanks Dt.
PreSheathing may not be possible in every locality if there are specialized simpson fasteners.
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I'm from Florida and keep in mind, many if not most of our homes south of the Gainesville area are concrete block. So the connectors are a bit different
But the ones we do have that are framed, the sheathing goes on first then the connectors get nailed after right through the sheathing and into a stud. Otherwise, you wouldn't be able to have the inspector see them at the framing inspection.
If its a "wrap over" roof to wall connectors it would be different as these go over the trussrafter before the roof sheathing.
Hope this helps
Go have a look at the Simpson site as their FAQ and other parts identify specific aspects such as this.
Mike
Thanks for the help Mike.
No problem! Email me directly if you have any specific questions. I teach classes on this kind of stuff for contractors around here so I have heard many of the most common questions.
Mike
Will do Mike.