FHB Logo Facebook LinkedIn Email Pinterest Twitter X Instagram Tiktok YouTube Plus Icon Close Icon Navigation Search Icon Navigation Search Icon Arrow Down Icon Video Guide Icon Article Guide Icon Modal Close Icon Guide Search Icon Skip to content
Subscribe
Log In
  • How-To
  • Design
  • Tools & Materials
  • Restoration
  • Videos
  • Blogs
  • Forum
  • Magazine
  • Members
  • FHB House
  • Podcast
Log In

Discussion Forum

Discussion Forum

Structural engineer Site Conditions report prior to design work?

dustindawind | Posted in General Discussion on July 5, 2023 11:16am

I’m in beginning stages of planning a renovation to our circa 1900 Boston suburb home. Should I get a Structural Engineer’s Site Conditions report (about $1200) before proceeding to discuss with architects/ design-build firms? 

There are a number of obvious items such as sunken front porch, a broken joist in crawlspace, dips and sinking in floors, etc. 

The Site Conditions report would call out potential foundation and structural issues, a report on level of the house, and other items after a non-invasive walk-through and evaluation. 

My thinking is that I want to get a baseline of what we’d have to fix even before actual improvements are made.

Should I move forward with a Site Conditions report, or should I at least have a sense of what we’d like to do in terms of design?

Reply
  • X
  • facebook
  • linkedin
  • pinterest
  • email
  • add to favorites Log in or Sign up to save your favorite articles

Replies

  1. Strutaeng | Jul 05, 2023 03:05pm | #1

    Sounds like a wise thing to do. Is the architect/ design/build team aware of your observations? What have they said about it?

    This is interior renovations or are you also adding on the building?

    1. dustindawind | Jul 05, 2023 03:37pm | #2

      I have not retained an architect/design-build team yet but those who have visited have affirmed my observations (which are quite apparent).

      The renovations will likely include a small addition (kitchen expansion plus interior staircase). It's a 2-family without a connecting staircase, and we want to soft-convert for single-family living (ie retain the two-family designation in case we want to do an in-law suite or rent out both units again in the future).

      1. Strutaeng | Jul 05, 2023 03:51pm | #3

        That sounds like a great price if it will include everything you mentioned.

        1. dustindawind | Jul 05, 2023 04:16pm | #4

          Thank you.

          Just to be clear, they'd only be evaluating current conditions--calculations on any additions/improvements wouldn't be included (or discussed in depth for that matter).

          I agree the price seems fair.

  2. deucevantage | Jul 07, 2023 09:09am | #5

    A few thoughts. You would gain by also Identifying the architect you would be planning to use. Without formally engaging them, they could tell you what structural engineers they work with on projects of this sort. The nexus between architect and structural engineers is more involved and nuanced than most appreciate. The majority of residential architect even competent ones, lean on structural guys/gals more than most clients grasp. In the continuum of artists, designers, architects, builders, structural/civil engineers, most architects by training self selection and experience lean more and more to the left side of this line. There is more structural engineering input, than is often apparent as the architect often engages structural as a sub contractor and this dialogue goes on behind the scenes away from client. That said you can still occasionally find a deeply experienced committed framer (e.g., mike Guertin types) who knows what they are doing and and will be Abel to shore up that structure with old school framing legerdemain . They are increasingly few and far in between as framing is increasingly a commodity, even for ‘custom homes’…as an aside, just as I would identify an architect before i identity a structural engineer, I would identify a hood garner before I engage a builder. Unfortunately , it’s hard to sequence that way, that’s not typically how marketing/introductions work in the industry.

    1. calvin | Jul 07, 2023 10:42am | #6

      Not meaning to insult.

      But, that was a mouthful.

  3. deucevantage | Jul 07, 2023 11:46am | #7

    I could simply have said, engage your architects structural engineer for this evaluation, but I’ve found even many builders don’t grasp the details/nuance/relationship I described. To expand, most architects have more than 1 structural on speed dial depending on complexity, costs, etc. yet they are not going to present that menu to th client, ie do you want the anal costly structural or the casual one that’s we’re simply purchasing his stamp and insurance for ? Or something in between?. But at all tiers, the architect has determined they can work well at the chosen level efficiently. . Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a slave to complexity detail and anality. Residential construction is rapidly evolving between a race to the labor costs/profit expectations/work habits, and improving technology and codes. I prefer to interact at several points directly with structural and architect, (e.g., we’ve got a tie down in this corner, what’s it going to cost to add it to all corners? What’s it going to cost to use lvl headers everywhere not just where it’s mandatory? Why not mid span brace all floor joists? Architects and structural engineers have no idea what costs a are, and builders aren’t typically transparent about costs, esp at the change order level. it’s mildly expensive and cumbersome often Balked at by both parties, but ‘go big or go home.’ Experience has taught me you should e either buy a spec house with your finished (Ie’ custom’) , hire and pay a mike guertin clone, or be deeply engaged in hall aspects of the build.as for architects , look at steve bazcks designs,drawings detail. I have very different tastes and style vs steve, but his detail simply blows away 99% of the plans - and we are talking $30 sf design fees even , you see in even custom residential design.he’s a rare architect who spent as much time on site as he does in front of his CAD programs, understands how houses are actually built.and how many structural engineers ever end up walking the house before drywall? I wish I could tell you building a house that will last several generations and justify the huge costs these days is simple and easy…..it’s not.

    1. calvin | Jul 07, 2023 06:42pm | #8

      Whew.

  4. User avater
    unclemike42 | Jul 09, 2023 06:52am | #9

    How about we all chip in a few spaces, carriage returns, and a few trips to the spell checker.

    1. calvin | Jul 09, 2023 04:44pm | #10

      He’s potentially way smarter than me.
      But I’ll be damned if I can figure it out.

      One thing I know for sure. I’m not asking him for directions on where to get a beer in Milwaukee.

      1. User avater
        mikeljon | Jul 09, 2023 06:21pm | #11

        my father-in-law tells me: "I asked for the time and you built me a clock."

  5. User avater
    ct_yankee | Jul 09, 2023 08:27pm | #12

    With an existing home a good structural engineer's (SE) evaluation is going to be invasive. Even with extensive experience evaluating 1900s buildings he/she is not going to have x-ray vision. Peering behind finishes is essential.
    That said, involving the architect's spatial vision of the finished product may or may not fit well within the evaluated structure.
    Certainly getting a SE assessment of the structural shortcomings can work well with the architect's vision. Or not.
    Now, all of that said, as an SE I also want to work with the hands-on guy (the builder). That person has acquired wisdom not taught in any school. Often, the best solution to a gnarly challenge involves a combination of hands-on wisdom and engineering design insight. All of which, of course, must work in tandem with the architect's spatial vision.
    The ideal approach involves a cooperative combination of the previously mentioned (3) entities.
    [MA licensed S.E.]

Log in or create an account to post a comment.

Sign up Log in

Become a member and get full access to FineHomebuilding.com

Video Shorts

Categories

  • Business
  • Code Questions
  • Construction Techniques
  • Energy, Heating & Insulation
  • General Discussion
  • Help/Work Wanted
  • Photo Gallery
  • Reader Classified
  • Tools for Home Building

Discussion Forum

Recent Posts and Replies

  • |
  • |
  • |
  • |
  • |
  • |
View More Create Post

Up Next

Video Shorts

Featured Story

FHB Summit 2025 — Design, Build, Business

Join some of the most experienced and recognized building professionals for two days of presentations, panel discussions, networking, and more.

Featured Video

Builder’s Advocate: An Interview With Viewrail

Learn more about affordable, modern floating stairs, from design to manufacturing to installation.

Related Stories

  • Guest Suite With a Garden House
  • Podcast Episode 688: Obstructed Ridge Vent, Buying Fixer-Uppers, and Flashing Ledgers
  • FHB Podcast Segment: Finding the Right Fixer-Upper
  • Keeping It Cottage-Sized

Highlights

Fine Homebuilding All Access
Fine Homebuilding Podcast
Tool Tech
Plus, get an extra 20% off with code GIFT20

"I have learned so much thanks to the searchable articles on the FHB website. I can confidently say that I expect to be a life-long subscriber." - M.K.

Get home building tips, offers, and expert advice in your inbox

Signing you up...

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
See all newsletters
See all newsletters

Fine Homebuilding Magazine

  • Issue 332 - July 2025
    • Custom Built-ins With Job-Site Tools
    • Fight House Fires Through Design
    • Making the Move to Multifamily
  • Issue 331 - June 2025
    • A More Resilient Roof
    • Tool Test: You Need a Drywall Sander
    • Ducted vs. Ductless Heat Pumps
  • Issue 330 - April/May 2025
    • Deck Details for Durability
    • FAQs on HPWHs
    • 10 Tips for a Long-Lasting Paint Job
  • Issue 329 - Feb/Mar 2025
    • Smart Foundation for a Small Addition
    • A Kominka Comes West
    • Making Small Kitchens Work
  • Issue 328 - Dec/Jan 2024
    • How a Pro Replaces Columns
    • Passive House 3.0
    • Tool Test: Compact Line Lasers

Fine Home Building

Newsletter Sign-up

  • Fine Homebuilding

    Home building tips, offers, and expert advice in your inbox.

  • Green Building Advisor

    Building science and energy efficiency advice, plus special offers, in your inbox.

  • Old House Journal

    Repair, renovation, and restoration tips, plus special offers, in your inbox.

Signing you up...

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
See all newsletters

Follow

  • Fine Homebuilding

    Dig into cutting-edge approaches and decades of proven solutions with total access to our experts and tradespeople.

    Start Free Trial Now
    • Facebook
    • Instagram
    • X
    • LinkedIn
  • GBA Prime

    Get instant access to the latest developments in green building, research, and reports from the field.

    Start Free Trial Now
    • Facebook
    • YouTube
  • Old House Journal

    Learn how to restore, repair, update, and decorate your home.

    Subscribe Now
    • Facebook
    • Instagram
    • X
  • Fine Homebuilding

    Dig into cutting-edge approaches and decades of proven solutions with total access to our experts and tradespeople.

    Start Free Trial Now
    • Facebook
    • Instagram
    • X
    • LinkedIn
  • GBA Prime

    Get instant access to the latest developments in green building, research, and reports from the field.

    Start Free Trial Now
    • Facebook
    • YouTube
  • Old House Journal

    Learn how to restore, repair, update, and decorate your home.

    Subscribe Now
    • Facebook
    • Instagram
    • X

Membership & Magazine

  • Online Archive
  • Start Free Trial
  • Magazine Subscription
  • Magazine Renewal
  • Gift a Subscription
  • Customer Support
  • Privacy Preferences
  • About
  • Contact
  • Advertise
  • Careers
  • Terms of Use
  • Site Map
  • Do not sell or share my information
  • Privacy Policy
  • Accessibility
  • California Privacy Rights

© 2025 Active Interest Media. All rights reserved.

Fine Homebuilding receives a commission for items purchased through links on this site, including Amazon Associates and other affiliate advertising programs.

  • Home Group
  • Antique Trader
  • Arts & Crafts Homes
  • Bank Note Reporter
  • Cabin Life
  • Cuisine at Home
  • Fine Gardening
  • Fine Woodworking
  • Green Building Advisor
  • Garden Gate
  • Horticulture
  • Keep Craft Alive
  • Log Home Living
  • Military Trader/Vehicles
  • Numismatic News
  • Numismaster
  • Old Cars Weekly
  • Old House Journal
  • Period Homes
  • Popular Woodworking
  • Script
  • ShopNotes
  • Sports Collectors Digest
  • Threads
  • Timber Home Living
  • Traditional Building
  • Woodsmith
  • World Coin News
  • Writer's Digest
Active Interest Media logo
X
X
This is a dialog window which overlays the main content of the page. The modal window is a 'site map' of the most critical areas of the site. Pressing the Escape (ESC) button will close the modal and bring you back to where you were on the page.

Main Menu

  • How-To
  • Design
  • Tools & Materials
  • Video
  • Blogs
  • Forum
  • Project Guides
  • Reader Projects
  • Magazine
  • Members
  • FHB House

Podcasts

  • FHB Podcast
  • ProTalk

Webinars

  • Upcoming and On-Demand

Podcasts

  • FHB Podcast
  • ProTalk

Webinars

  • Upcoming and On-Demand

Popular Topics

  • Kitchens
  • Business
  • Bedrooms
  • Roofs
  • Architecture and Design
  • Green Building
  • Decks
  • Framing
  • Safety
  • Remodeling
  • Bathrooms
  • Windows
  • Tilework
  • Ceilings
  • HVAC

Magazine

  • Current Issue
  • Past Issues
  • Magazine Index
  • Subscribe
  • Online Archive
  • Author Guidelines

All Access

  • Member Home
  • Start Free Trial
  • Gift Membership

Online Learning

  • Courses
  • Project Guides
  • Reader Projects
  • Podcast

More

  • FHB Ambassadors
  • FHB House
  • Customer Support

Account

  • Log In
  • Join

Newsletter

Get home building tips, offers, and expert advice in your inbox

Signing you up...

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
See all newsletters
See all newsletters

Follow

  • X
  • YouTube
  • instagram
  • facebook
  • pinterest
  • Tiktok

Join All Access

Become a member and get instant access to thousands of videos, how-tos, tool reviews, and design features.

Start Your Free Trial

Subscribe

FHB Magazine

Start your subscription today and save up to 70%

Subscribe

Enjoy unlimited access to Fine Homebuilding. Join Now

Already a member? Log in

We hope you’ve enjoyed your free articles. To keep reading, become a member today.

Get complete site access to expert advice, how-to videos, Code Check, and more, plus the print magazine.

Start your FREE trial

Already a member? Log in

Privacy Policy Update

We use cookies, pixels, script and other tracking technologies to analyze and improve our service, to improve and personalize content, and for advertising to you. We also share information about your use of our site with third-party social media, advertising and analytics partners. You can view our Privacy Policy here and our Terms of Use here.

Cookies

Analytics

These cookies help us track site metrics to improve our sites and provide a better user experience.

Advertising/Social Media

These cookies are used to serve advertisements aligned with your interests.

Essential

These cookies are required to provide basic functions like page navigation and access to secure areas of the website.

Delete My Data

Delete all cookies and associated data