FHB Logo Facebook LinkedIn Email Pinterest Twitter X Instagram Tiktok YouTube Plus Icon Close Icon Navigation Search Icon Navigation Search Icon Arrow Down Icon Video Guide Icon Article Guide Icon Modal Close Icon Guide Search Icon Skip to content
Subscribe
Log In
  • How-To
  • Design
  • Tools & Materials
  • Restoration
  • Videos
  • Blogs
  • Forum
  • Magazine
  • Members
  • FHB House
  • Podcast
Log In

Discussion Forum

Discussion Forum

Stupid (?) Formica Question

jtandrews | Posted in General Discussion on October 3, 2004 01:11am

I am finishing up a Kitchen re-model in my own house, and I’ve come up with an idea that I think is either original, stupid, or both.  Hopefully, someone here can straighten me out.

Between the counters and the wall cabinets, I would like to put copper.  While looking through the Formica samples, I noticed a distressed copper laminate that would look nice.  I think this would be a more unique look than straight copper or tile or all the other options that have been used over the years.

I have used Formica in vertical situations, but the substrate was always plywood, particle board or MDF.

My question is can Formica be glued to the fresh painted drywall, or do I need to have a plywood backer?

Has anybody else had this idea?

Am I nuts?

Thanks in advance for the advice.

Jeff

 

Reply
  • X
  • facebook
  • linkedin
  • pinterest
  • email
  • add to favorites Log in or Sign up to save your favorite articles

Replies

  1. robteed | Oct 03, 2004 01:18am | #1

    Im not sure if it is recommended, but I have removed lots of formica from walls. Probably was glued on with constrution adhesive.

    By the way "Formica" is a brand name. There are many laminate companys.

    1. User avater
      EricPaulson | Oct 03, 2004 02:03am | #3

      Yes, yes and yes!

      I know the pattern you are describing and think it is very nice, and a much more suitable alternative to the real thing.

      You can ( I have ) glue it on with almost any adhesive. PL. Pheno, you'll have to have a way to hold it in place till the glue sets.

      EricI Love A Hand That Meets My Own,

      With A Hold That Causes Some Sensation.

  2. calvin | Oct 03, 2004 02:02am | #2

    You can, but I quickly changed to a trowel on adhesive, that you could position with ease and still get a good bond. Round all corners at outlets etc, less likely to crack.  You can contact it, but registration, seams, etc are difficult working over the bases.

    Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.

    Quittin' Time



    Edited 10/2/2004 7:35 pm ET by calvin

  3. DougU | Oct 03, 2004 02:06am | #4

    Are you going to have joints in it? If so I cant imagine laminate glued directly to drywall. I would think you would have a nightmare with the joints.

    Could you put maybe 1/2" ply or particle board on the wall and then attach your laminate to that.

    What exactly do you have in mind?

    1. jtandrews | Oct 03, 2004 03:08am | #6

      We are putting a small "lab shelf" about 4 inches above the main counter.  This leaves about 10-12 inches of wall under the wall cabinets (although I haven't done all the math).  The run is just under 8 feet.  There will be more wall space to cover above the cooktop, but it will still fit within the 4x8 sheet that I'll have to buy.  So I figure I could do it with one piece without any seams.  If I like the look, I could probably use the cut-offs for other areas around the Kitchen.

      The more I think about it, the more I prefer the laminate over the real copper.  The laminate gives the distressed look without all the effort to get that look, and it should be less of a maintenance headache down the road.

      Left to consider:

      1)  Is laminate okay over a cooktop?  A thought that just occurred to me...

      2) How should I treat the exposed edge?  Top and bottom will terminate at the wall cabinets and the "lab shelf".  One end will terminate at a wall (so to speak), and I'll probably lay a piece of maple trim over the other end.

      Thanks to everyone for the input so far.  With a little luck, I may be able to make this work.

      Jeff

    2. User avater
      EricPaulson | Oct 03, 2004 03:09am | #7

      Doug,

      I used to do this alot with new installs. It's not so poular now with solid surface being so trendy.

      Best way is to glue the pieces onto the sr before any cabs are installed, or after the base and before the wall if you follow that order. This way, the counter and or backsplash butts to the wall and the wall cabs cover up the top edge. Widows and other breaks deserve special consideration though.

      Doing it this way makes the joints houk up nice.

      Eric

      I Love A Hand That Meets My Own,

      With A Hold That Causes Some Sensation.

      1. WorkshopJon | Oct 03, 2004 03:47am | #8

        It's not so poular now with solid surface being so trendy."

        Eric,

        Off topic, Solid surface is still popular out East?  Went to one of those "Parade of New Homes" out here and out of like 30 homes, only one had SS, Everything else was stone. 

        .........and the MidWest 'aint known for being cutting edge.

        Jon

        1. HeavyDuty | Oct 03, 2004 08:16am | #13

          Jon, ss is out, color is in.

        2. User avater
          EricPaulson | Oct 03, 2004 03:41pm | #19

          Actually Jon,

          The term solid surface is used much more genericly (sp) these days and has come to include stone.

          Stone has kicked the crap out of Corian and all the others......thank God! i was getting real tired of that stuff.

          EricI Love A Hand That Meets My Own,

          With A Hold That Causes Some Sensation.

      2. DougU | Oct 03, 2004 04:38am | #9

        Eric

        I didnt even make the conection that it was in a kitchen.

        I was thinking of just a wall with laminate covering it.

        Its starting to make sense now!

        Doug

  4. calvin | Oct 03, 2004 02:33am | #5

    jt, here's something that might be considered.  So fresh in my mind (today) I'm not sure if I like it.  Reproduction copper plated, sealed "tin" ceiling.  Applied to concrete poured wall with PL Premium.

    Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.

    Quittin' Time

  5. FastEddie1 | Oct 03, 2004 05:37am | #10

    Maybe glue the formica to a sheet of ply or mdf first, then either glue the ply to the wall or use lots of industrial grade velcro.

    Or, if the sheetrock is smooth, use a floor trowel designed for vinyl flooring, with the real small grooves, and spread a nice coat of PL on the wall, then apply the formica and somehow brace it for a while.

    Whenever you are asked if you can do a job, tell'em "Certainly, I can!"  Then get busy and find out how to do it.  T. Roosevelt

    1. User avater
      BillHartmann | Oct 03, 2004 07:26pm | #21

      Instead of ht PL (I am assuming that you mena PL preminum) what about using a pannel adhesive?

      The kind that you apply the pannel and then remove it and allow the adhesive to flash off for about 5 minutes.

      From my limited experience with using those them you not need to brace it, it has enough tack to hold in place.

      Sorta of a cross between construction adhesive and contact ahesive.

      1. FastEddie1 | Oct 03, 2004 10:12pm | #22

        You're right.  The PL stays soft for a long time ... like 30 minutes I think.

        Whenever you are asked if you can do a job, tell'em "Certainly, I can!"  Then get busy and find out how to do it.  T. Roosevelt

      2. DaveRicheson | Oct 04, 2004 01:31am | #24

        Ceramic tile adhesive with 1/16 or 1/8 inch notched trowel works well for direct glue to dw or behind laminated 1/4" plywood.

        Stuff sets fast enough to hold tile to a wall, so should be no sweat for laminate.

        I've used it both ways.

        Dave

  6. dinothecarpenter | Oct 03, 2004 06:45am | #11

    First you need to make a good template. You have at list 4-6 outlets and one window to deal with it. Then you will see that it's easier to (laminate)  on your template and trim the outlets while the template (plywood) is flat on your table.

    You can trim and work with the laminate better if you have a backing.The chances "re that you will waste the laminate (Formica or other) with out any backing before you even attempt to glue it on the wall.

    YCF Dino

  7. Clay | Oct 03, 2004 08:14am | #12

    While it can be glued duirectly to the walls as some of the previous posters have apparently done ... it is more usual and less risky to glue it to a thin backer first and then trim it and install.  1/4" plywood is commonly used for this purpose.  It will lay flatter, trim easier, handle easier, and be more durable, if you will do it this way.

    1. dinothecarpenter | Oct 03, 2004 08:59am | #14

      Hi clay.

      I will go for at list 3/8" to 1/2" in order for the trimmer to work better on the edges.

      YCF Dino

  8. User avater
    JeffBuck | Oct 03, 2004 09:23am | #15

    Outwater Architectural Products has lotsa stick on metal "trims" in their catalog.

    only looked into them briefly .... might be something in there for you.

    http://208.245.181.35/cgi-bin/worderc?confc=B2C

    Jeff

    Buck Construction, llc   Pittsburgh,PA

         Artistry in Carpentry                

  9. User avater
    Dez | Oct 03, 2004 10:08am | #16
    JT,
     
    I see no problem gluing laminate directly to the drywall. I have always used contact cement  however. Sounds like most the guys are using an adhesive I haven't tried.
     
    Dez
     
    1. jtandrews | Oct 03, 2004 01:26pm | #17

      Lots of good thoughts...

      Checking Outwater Plastics for trim is a good idea.  I've purchased  a fair amount from them for a store that continually is re-modelled and improved, but I hadn't thought of them for this.  Thanks for waking me up.

      There are no holes in the middle of the section I am planning to do.  The receptacles are in the backsplash under the lab shelf, and we're on an interior wall.  So there is no window.

      It seems apparent that this idea is do-able.  It's just a matter of how to go about it.  Putting up some thin plywood first seems the least risky, but I want to preserve as much of the lab shelf as possible.  It's already pretty narrow. 

      I'm leaning toward hanging the laminate directly to the drywall.  This is brand new drywall that has been primed and painted.  There are no joints in this section so it is flat and free of debris that would cause trouble for the laminate.  If I hang it before the cabs go in, then the top and bottom edge would be hidden.  For the one exposed edge, I'll either make a special trim piece or buy something from Outwater.

      If anybody thinks this is a bad idea, please chime in.  I'm going to be to this part of the job soon.  If this is going to screw things up, there is still time to save me.  As always, I welcome any thoughts on the matter.

      Thanks to all for the advice.Jeff

      1. calvin | Oct 03, 2004 03:37pm | #18

        When applying the lam b/4 cabinet install, plan the location of your cab mounting screws and avoid running the lam there.  If you do have to run a screw through it, drill an oversize hole through the lam, to keep from cracking it.  Leave all inside corners slightly radiused.  If you use contact adhesive, temporarily staple visqueen over the dry to touch adhesive on the wall.  Register your pc of lam, start pulling out the visqueen as you go along and adhere the lam.Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.

        Quittin' Time

      2. FastEddie1 | Oct 03, 2004 04:43pm | #20

        Since it's new drywall with no cabinets or shelf in the way, then glueing the formica directly to the wall will work well.  For the exposed edge ... can you color it wiht a bit of the wall paint?  You're only talking 1/16" or so.

        Whenever you are asked if you can do a job, tell'em "Certainly, I can!"  Then get busy and find out how to do it.  T. Roosevelt

  10. Steve1 | Oct 04, 2004 12:09am | #23

    i recently added a "stainless steel" looking laminate to two kitchen walls

    easiest way is to fit 1/4 inch underlay to the areas to be laminated and then laminate the 1/4 ply with contact cement then adhere the laminated ply to the wall with panel adhesive

  11. maverick | Oct 04, 2004 01:32am | #25

    I've been doing it for years. There's no need to install an underlayment. Glue it to the drywall with whatever you have, silicone, PL, Phenoseal. Laminate co's also have a slow setting adhesive that gives you plenty of time for adjusting. Avoid contact cement for this.

    Its easier to install the laminate before the cab's are up but not impossible afterwards. I cut out for electric outlets free-hand with a router and a 1/8 bit. Sometimes I reinstall the outlet trim plates to hold it while the glue sets.

    There are metal trims available, a cove for the transition from counter to splash that can be nailed to the back edge of the top which is then pressed against the splash as one assembly, and a cove for inside vertical corners. there is also a termination strip for a finished end.

    I personally do not like the look of the metal trims. The last few I have done I installed the laminate on the wall then scribed the counter to it. then put clear silicone on the back of the counter top and pressed it into place squeezing out the excess silicone. You can clean up the silicone residue with mineral spirits.

Log in or create an account to post a comment.

Sign up Log in

Become a member and get full access to FineHomebuilding.com

Video Shorts

Categories

  • Business
  • Code Questions
  • Construction Techniques
  • Energy, Heating & Insulation
  • General Discussion
  • Help/Work Wanted
  • Photo Gallery
  • Reader Classified
  • Tools for Home Building

Discussion Forum

Recent Posts and Replies

  • |
  • |
  • |
  • |
  • |
  • |
View More Create Post

Up Next

Video Shorts

Featured Story

Outdoor Lighting

Lighting up an exterior isn't just about ambiance— it's also about code compliance. Here is what the code says about safety and efficiency when it comes to outdoor lighting.

Featured Video

Micro-Adjust Deck-Baluster Spacing for an Eye-Deceiving Layout

No math, no measuring—just a simple jig made from an elastic band is all you need to lay out a good-looking deck railing.

Related Stories

  • Design and Build a Pergola
  • Podcast Episode 689: Basement Garages, Compact ERVs, and Safer Paint Stripper
  • FHB Podcast Segment: Are Single-Room ERVs the Answer?
  • Fire-Resistant Landscaping and Home Design Details

Highlights

Fine Homebuilding All Access
Fine Homebuilding Podcast
Tool Tech
Plus, get an extra 20% off with code GIFT20

"I have learned so much thanks to the searchable articles on the FHB website. I can confidently say that I expect to be a life-long subscriber." - M.K.

Get home building tips, offers, and expert advice in your inbox

Signing you up...

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
See all newsletters
See all newsletters

Fine Homebuilding Magazine

  • Issue 332 - July 2025
    • Custom Built-ins With Job-Site Tools
    • Fight House Fires Through Design
    • Making the Move to Multifamily
  • Issue 331 - June 2025
    • A More Resilient Roof
    • Tool Test: You Need a Drywall Sander
    • Ducted vs. Ductless Heat Pumps
  • Issue 330 - April/May 2025
    • Deck Details for Durability
    • FAQs on HPWHs
    • 10 Tips for a Long-Lasting Paint Job
  • Issue 329 - Feb/Mar 2025
    • Smart Foundation for a Small Addition
    • A Kominka Comes West
    • Making Small Kitchens Work
  • Issue 328 - Dec/Jan 2024
    • How a Pro Replaces Columns
    • Passive House 3.0
    • Tool Test: Compact Line Lasers

Fine Home Building

Newsletter Sign-up

  • Fine Homebuilding

    Home building tips, offers, and expert advice in your inbox.

  • Green Building Advisor

    Building science and energy efficiency advice, plus special offers, in your inbox.

  • Old House Journal

    Repair, renovation, and restoration tips, plus special offers, in your inbox.

Signing you up...

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
See all newsletters

Follow

  • Fine Homebuilding

    Dig into cutting-edge approaches and decades of proven solutions with total access to our experts and tradespeople.

    Start Free Trial Now
    • Facebook
    • Instagram
    • X
    • LinkedIn
  • GBA Prime

    Get instant access to the latest developments in green building, research, and reports from the field.

    Start Free Trial Now
    • Facebook
    • YouTube
  • Old House Journal

    Learn how to restore, repair, update, and decorate your home.

    Subscribe Now
    • Facebook
    • Instagram
    • X
  • Fine Homebuilding

    Dig into cutting-edge approaches and decades of proven solutions with total access to our experts and tradespeople.

    Start Free Trial Now
    • Facebook
    • Instagram
    • X
    • LinkedIn
  • GBA Prime

    Get instant access to the latest developments in green building, research, and reports from the field.

    Start Free Trial Now
    • Facebook
    • YouTube
  • Old House Journal

    Learn how to restore, repair, update, and decorate your home.

    Subscribe Now
    • Facebook
    • Instagram
    • X

Membership & Magazine

  • Online Archive
  • Start Free Trial
  • Magazine Subscription
  • Magazine Renewal
  • Gift a Subscription
  • Customer Support
  • Privacy Preferences
  • About
  • Contact
  • Advertise
  • Careers
  • Terms of Use
  • Site Map
  • Do not sell or share my information
  • Privacy Policy
  • Accessibility
  • California Privacy Rights

© 2025 Active Interest Media. All rights reserved.

Fine Homebuilding receives a commission for items purchased through links on this site, including Amazon Associates and other affiliate advertising programs.

  • Home Group
  • Antique Trader
  • Arts & Crafts Homes
  • Bank Note Reporter
  • Cabin Life
  • Cuisine at Home
  • Fine Gardening
  • Fine Woodworking
  • Green Building Advisor
  • Garden Gate
  • Horticulture
  • Keep Craft Alive
  • Log Home Living
  • Military Trader/Vehicles
  • Numismatic News
  • Numismaster
  • Old Cars Weekly
  • Old House Journal
  • Period Homes
  • Popular Woodworking
  • Script
  • ShopNotes
  • Sports Collectors Digest
  • Threads
  • Timber Home Living
  • Traditional Building
  • Woodsmith
  • World Coin News
  • Writer's Digest
Active Interest Media logo
X
X
This is a dialog window which overlays the main content of the page. The modal window is a 'site map' of the most critical areas of the site. Pressing the Escape (ESC) button will close the modal and bring you back to where you were on the page.

Main Menu

  • How-To
  • Design
  • Tools & Materials
  • Video
  • Blogs
  • Forum
  • Project Guides
  • Reader Projects
  • Magazine
  • Members
  • FHB House

Podcasts

  • FHB Podcast
  • ProTalk

Webinars

  • Upcoming and On-Demand

Podcasts

  • FHB Podcast
  • ProTalk

Webinars

  • Upcoming and On-Demand

Popular Topics

  • Kitchens
  • Business
  • Bedrooms
  • Roofs
  • Architecture and Design
  • Green Building
  • Decks
  • Framing
  • Safety
  • Remodeling
  • Bathrooms
  • Windows
  • Tilework
  • Ceilings
  • HVAC

Magazine

  • Current Issue
  • Past Issues
  • Magazine Index
  • Subscribe
  • Online Archive
  • Author Guidelines

All Access

  • Member Home
  • Start Free Trial
  • Gift Membership

Online Learning

  • Courses
  • Project Guides
  • Reader Projects
  • Podcast

More

  • FHB Ambassadors
  • FHB House
  • Customer Support

Account

  • Log In
  • Join

Newsletter

Get home building tips, offers, and expert advice in your inbox

Signing you up...

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
See all newsletters
See all newsletters

Follow

  • X
  • YouTube
  • instagram
  • facebook
  • pinterest
  • Tiktok

Join All Access

Become a member and get instant access to thousands of videos, how-tos, tool reviews, and design features.

Start Your Free Trial

Subscribe

FHB Magazine

Start your subscription today and save up to 70%

Subscribe

Enjoy unlimited access to Fine Homebuilding. Join Now

Already a member? Log in

We hope you’ve enjoyed your free articles. To keep reading, become a member today.

Get complete site access to expert advice, how-to videos, Code Check, and more, plus the print magazine.

Start your FREE trial

Already a member? Log in

Privacy Policy Update

We use cookies, pixels, script and other tracking technologies to analyze and improve our service, to improve and personalize content, and for advertising to you. We also share information about your use of our site with third-party social media, advertising and analytics partners. You can view our Privacy Policy here and our Terms of Use here.

Cookies

Analytics

These cookies help us track site metrics to improve our sites and provide a better user experience.

Advertising/Social Media

These cookies are used to serve advertisements aligned with your interests.

Essential

These cookies are required to provide basic functions like page navigation and access to secure areas of the website.

Delete My Data

Delete all cookies and associated data