This is what we’ve bin doing at work lately. You guys/gals renovate houses!!!!! I renovate airplanes.
This is one of our B767 aircraft interiors. Finished product. I’ll try to take pics as we do the next aircraft that arrived tonight.
A rear addition provides a small-scale example of how to frame efficiently.
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Here's another view!!
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Take the vurtual tour of it at http://www.aircanada.com/demos/execfirst/execfirst.html
Sorry dial uppers! "No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it's only a question of degree." - W.C. Fields
I'll bet the loo is still too tiny to turn around in....The unspoken word is capital. We can invest it or we can squander it. -Mark Twain...
Be kind to your children....they will choose your nursing home.
...aim low boys, they're ridin' shetland ponies !!
We don't want to encourage the "mile high" club!!!!!!"No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it's only a question of degree." - W.C. Fields
Certainly NOT. Never. Wouldn't give it a thought. <G>
Now, there was a 747 1st class section almost completely empty SFO to ORD on a red eye in the 70's that was an extra section (when things like that were still done). I won't name names but a non-rev .................;)...The unspoken word is capital. We can invest it or we can squander it. -Mark Twain...
Be kind to your children....they will choose your nursing home.
...aim low boys, they're ridin' shetland ponies !!
"We don't want to encourage the "mile high" club"
Seems like there should be a market for an airline that would cater to that sort of thing.
Lotsa people wanna do it. (I know I'd like to try it) Why not make some money at it?
You've never been lost until you've been lost at Mach 3. [Paul F. Crickmore, test pilot]
Feel like visiting Georgia????
http://milehighatlanta.com/
Unfortuantely it looks like you have to provide your own traveling companion.
Hey, doesn't Mcdesign live down that way?
I heard that!
Forrest - down that way. Well, not THAT way
No no no, not that, I just thought he could stop by and say hi.
D. --- Not playin that way either :)
methinks thou and McDesign doth protest too much
Sounds cool - Didn't know that anyone had taken up that idea. I don't have a "traveling companion yet, so I don't think I'll be headed there anytime soon.
Children need love, especially when they do not deserve it.
I dunno...i'd be worried about putting a heel through the roof and the subsequent loss of cabin pressure.
go barefoot....
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
heel spurs <G>
back in saddle and is ride 'em cowboy or cowgirl...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
I can't decide if this thread is going to go aerodynamic or thermodynamic first.
"i'd be worried about putting a heel through the roof ..."
Just take your heels off first. I never liked women leaving their shoes on when we were fooling around anyway.
(-:
Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself. [Leo Tolstoy]
she ain't talkin' shoes here...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Just take your heels off first. I never liked women leaving their shoes on when we were fooling around anyway
Can be helpful if there is a large difference in height.
jt8
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it." --Upton Sinclair
I dunno...i'd be worried about putting a heel through the roof and the subsequent loss of cabin pressure.
You might have to forego the 6" stilleto heels for that one trip.
Oh and they don't pressurize the cabin at 5k ft.
jt8
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it." --Upton Sinclair
Edited 12/17/2007 1:52 pm by JohnT8
I just want to be sure we maintain cabin pressure at 3 ft.
6" stilleto heels
One of my first jobs was electrical installations in the 707.
We had a file cabinet with a piece of charred carpet.
LBJ liked his female assistants to wear spike heels.
The old 707 Air Force one had electrically heated floor pads under the carpet.
One of the 'ladies' punched thru and started the carpet a' smouldering.
The story was tha LBJ himself threw a glass of (whatever) on the smouldering carpet.
Carpet sample ended up in one of our group file cabinets for 'show and tell' about aircraft hazards.
707
You are old
I'll bet the loo is still too tiny to turn around in
Best I've flown as far as the loo was the SAS Copenhagen/Seattle run, the 340 has a loo with 2 TWO windows.
Never had an opportunity there though.....
Edited 12/14/2007 9:02 am ET by junkhound
I ended up with some Boeing parts in my house when i used to shop at Boeing Surplus in Kent, WA. My bathroom floor has that deep purple, heavy vinyl, sheet flooring with raised circles on it that the gallies are floored with in some planes. The aisle in your photo really caught my eye!
Boeing Surplus in Kent, WA
Didja realize that Dec 21st is the last day 'forever'?
Yup, it is being closed.
At least the free wood lot will still be open.
I remember reading your notice on that a while back and suffering a pang. When my late mate Ian was shuttling back and forth from Englang to MT for three years before we got hitched, he often flew out of Seattle bec it was so much cheaper. I'd drive over to pick him up and we'd make a holiday out of it, hitting Boeing Surplus and IKEA before coming home. Many happy hours were spent rootling through the bins in both places! We bought computers, carpet, office chairs, tables for the shop, and the best countersinks i've ever used. My planer sits on a heavy-duty roll-around plate we picked up for $20...what a joyful junkyard that was!I didn't follow that thread to the end where perhaps you said, but...what will Boeing do with the excessed stuff now? eBay? Just dumping it?
That second photo aisle is carpet with plastic over it to protect it from our greasy grease monkey boots!!! The same kind of plastic one would use to protect carpets and stuff in houses. Sticky on one side. As both sides would stop production ;-)"No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it's only a question of degree." - W.C. Fields
Aw, and i thought it was something artistic! Although i did wonder why they would have such a narrow strip of carpet at the edge...What part do you have in making those interiors? I assume that parts, like a seat, come pre-assembled with cushions and arms and then get installed and hooked up to electronics, etc. Is it very compartmentalized - desk installers install desks but not seats - or does everyone do everything?
The actual making is done by Contour/Heathtecna/Thales/etc...
We rip out the interior to the ribs. Rewire the cabin for the new entertainment system. Install the computers in the cargo area. Rewire the elctricals to feed the whole nightmare and rebalance the electrics between the two engine generators.
The last aircraft fin#637 went out last night after 27,5 days. The TAT. (turn around time) was for 28 days. So we were able to make it 12 hours early. And yes that makes a differance. A $55,000 difference."No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it's only a question of degree." - W.C. Fields
and how much structure work?
finding much corrosion?
We are removing the two mid lav's. So we have to install the seat tracks at that location. As well as the over head bins.
Corrosion is only found with the removal of the kickstrips at the bottom of the galleys. But this is minor."No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it's only a question of degree." - W.C. Fields
Nice interiors, sleek and sharp looking.Please come install those at Delta! Oh wait...Delta's 767's don't have first class. Argghhh.How about just ahead of Delta's Business Elite, we install a few rows of Wicked Elite Business Elite?Or just put them in the cockpit? ZZzzzzzzz.Mongo
Actually, they are going to be installed in delta planes.
http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/2006-10-09-delta-seats-usat_x.htm
But I want them in the cockpit!<g>
Good luck with that.
I heard they're removing the inflight entertainemnt from the pilot rest areas. Somthing about they're supposed to be resting... any truth to that?
I don't know. I don't pay a whole lot of attention to IFE since most of it is maintained by panasonic. That, and I don't do much on the int'l birds except motor changes.
What tom said.
We bid on several contracts with other airlines for this mod.
I wonder if Delta was one of them.
My position right now is still pee-on!!!"No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it's only a question of degree." - W.C. Fields
How interesting...i'm really looking forward to the play-by-play! Do you work around the clock for the 28 days when one comes in or is it regular 8-hour days? I'm amazed they have it timed so precisely.
The July 2005 Metropolis magazine had a spread on the efficiency of the Boeing plant from a design pov (unfortunately the online version is only available to subscribers). It was pretty impressive. It's streamlined down to each individual bolt.
Monday to friday is 24 hours, the weekends are 13 hour days. and yes we have it timed to the half day.
"No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it's only a question of degree." - W.C. Fields
Is that a "Boeing" plant, like shtrum was talking about above - i assume he meant the Seattle facility, but not sure - or do you subcontract for Boeing...or?Where are the naked plane pix? <G>
Nope we are officially ACTS. or aircanada tech services."No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it's only a question of degree." - W.C. Fields
or John...Are you guys saying a buyer, e.g. Air Canada, can pretty much customize a plane once they get it, however they want? It seems like "tearing it down to the ribs" might make an appreciable difference in how it flies...eh?
"can pretty much customize a plane once they get it"
Yes and NO!!!
The easy answer is yes we can "customize" as we want. However the manufacturer has the last say in what we can and cannot do.
Example. The interiors can be made to look like anything we want. The structure and the flying characteristics of the airplane must stay as designed.
If we need to modify the structure in any way. The manufacturer must put their stamp on it before we can fly it again."No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it's only a question of degree." - W.C. Fields
Thanks for the explanation. I'd like one with a swimming pool, please. <G>
During the mod, is there a check being completed on the rest of the aircraft?
They tried to do a check at the same time and the aircraft was in for 60 days. Far too long."No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it's only a question of degree." - W.C. Fields
When Jet says down to the ribs he's talking about the cabin being gutted, a lot like during a total reno of a house; tear down to the studs/joists/subfloor but no structure removed. Structurally it's still sound but it's not something you'd want to live/fly in for a long time. Some mods require structure work like where Jet mentioned about addding seat tracks to hold seats or new galley mounts for new/diff galleys or relocating galleys and other cabin components.
There's a huge amount of engineering that goes into the final product Jet showed in the pics intitially posted. Seat & in-flight entertainement (personal TV/video game) choices tend to drive the rest of the plan but within each of those choices there's considerations for weight, reliability, maintanability and the ultimate, customer appeal and if marketing can get the customer to spend the money to pay off the whole mod. Even the carpet gets scrutinized for colors, durability (carpet in the aisle doesn't last long), cleanabilty, weight, availability, etc.
I was thinking about weight more than anything, both in total, now that fuel is such an item, and distribution, whether the renovations made the first-class area front-heavy and maybe affect the performance. I wonder if the pilot can feel the difference, like putting weight in the bed of a truck. Tearing down to the ribs (studs)...i imagined a plane being constructed like the curved version of a torsion box, whatever that might be called, where both skins are essential to the strength. It sounds like the inside of the fuselage is just cosmetic covering, though.
Only the outer skin, ribs, longerons, floor beams, etc are necessary for strength. The inside of the plane is purely cosmetic. Cargo planes ofetn have none of that interior coverings installed.
Any modifications done to the aircraft have to have their weight and location calculated into the total wight and balance calcs for the aircraft.
There are instances where removal of something requires ballast to be added to keep everything correct. Every time we do a sheetmetal repair we are required to weigh all the repair parts to add them to the aircraft records.
Edited 12/15/2007 1:04 pm ET by TomW
I've sometimes wondered if the airlines have to readjust people who use the self-seating selection option when booking their flight, in order to keep the plane balanced. It would be an interesting study to see how well people distrubute themselves organically.
Smaller aircraft often have to move people around for weight and balance purposes.
The larger the plane, the less of an issue it becomes.
Now i know why i've never been asked to move, even on a small plane: As far as they're concerned, i'm ballast!
i'm ballast!
Only planes I've seen people moved in the last few years are US Air Embraer models, and always from front to back.
On Delta Shuttle flights (LGA-BOS, LGA-DCA), even though it's open seating, there are seating restrictions.
The plane has 134 seats, if there are 10 or fewer passengers on board, they all have to sit in the first ten row of seats. Less than 65, then the majority have to sit in the rows in front of the wing.
And as has been alluded to by others, the passengers are the weight as most shuttle flights carry very little cargo.
Mongo
I haven't been on a flight in ages that we weren't packed like sardines, so i'm trying to imagine only 10 passengers. <G>Is the plane loaded from the ends to the center, cargo starting at the butt end, so that passengers have to primarily load the front?
On a typical non-full flight, my understanding is that the reservations system tries to assign seats to keep things fairly even. That, coupled with cargo loading in the different cargo bins.Final center-of-gravity adjustments can be made by baggage boys in how they load cargo and passenger bags in the cargo bins. They can shift bags from one bin to another, etc.The operating envelope is pretty large, very seldom do problems occur.Every once in a while there will be a near-empty shuttle flight. Bad weather resulting in two flights leaving near the same time, etc. A holiday flight where everyone in their right mind is already at home.Sometimes sand bags will have to be added to the forward cargo bin to bring the CG into the envelope. That happens sometimes on empty fights, no passengers due to it being a maintenance ferry flight.Yeah, flying cross country in a middle seat when surrounded by a 300-pound passenger on each side...ah, the luxury of air travel! It's really the half of a soda and the single bag of pretzels that make it all worth while, though...Mongo
flying cross country in a middle seat when surrounded by a 300-pound passenger on each side
It's funny you mention that because the last few times i've flown i've been a little startled at how my rowmates slammed down those dividers between the seats pronto - a rather obvious staking-out of territory!
I think there are other factors involved here and the reason given being W&B although I think it's reasonable excuse since there's usually little to no luggage in the cargo bins for the shuttle flights.
Grouping the pax together makes it easier to turn the plane for the next flght since the clean up is only in a small area. Easier on the FAs as well.
what TomW sayeth...
There wouldn't be much for the pilot to feel other than shifting weight like passengers moving but on the larger aircraft it's not noticed. They can feel the diff between a full and empty aircraft though.
Look up monocoque & semi-monocoque (see if I get the 4# for that) for the structure 'splanation.
I looked up monocoque, which led me to automobile unibody construction (always wondered what that meant from the adverts touting it) and then i got a link to buildings made that way...wow!http://www.future-systems.com/architecture/architecture_03.html#
fun getting accidental eduacations, isn't it
Wikipedia had a decent description of moncoque & semi-mono.
Pax location onf the flights isn't that big of a deal that they need to rearrange their seats. On the international aircraft like what Jet posted the lower carog is loaded up with a butt load of weight so pax are a minor facor compared to that. For instance a pilot friend of mine was flying out of Santiago Chile in a 767 with 60,000 lbs of asparagus in the lower cargo. Add the baggage and whatever carog weight was in there and the pax weight is really insignificant. That is for larger aircraft. It's much different story for th elittle puddle jumpers.
<flying out of Santiago Chile in a 767 with 60,000 lbs of asparagus in the lower cargo>
So's that what they call it? Still sounds suspiciously like "grass" - they need a better euphemism.
Forrest
No really, it was asparagus. 60,000lbs in cargo but don't try to put one stick of it in your own luggage.
I wonder what sort of contact high a person can get from 30 tons of asparagus? My mind is easily boggled, but 30 tons of my favorite vegetable in a group...i'm limp just thinking about it.
Imagine the smell of the ####!
Forrest
Coulda been worse...pickled beets...just where do you put the tourniquet?
Is that why tix are relatively inexpensive, bec the cargo pays for most of the cost?
supposedly so, or at least what they told me before I departed. Cargo is big money. Ask UPS & Fedex and the plethora of other smaller cargo operators.
Consider the economics of seat sales. The flights I've taking to China on a 777 has 48 seats in first class at $10,460 each = $502,080 vs. 235 seats in economy at $840 = $197,400. First class is always full with a wait list of passengers trying to upgrade (at full fare). It makes economical sense for the airlines to either upgrade or put in more first class seats.
A colleague of mine flew from Toronto on Air Canada to Beijing and was quite unhappy with the older first class cabin (as Jet posted a picture of). He would not not choose AC for that route again. I fly Continental because they have the shortest travel time to Beijing - only 13 hours over the polar route, but they too don't have the flat bed or pod like seat. I would choose another airline, but they all have stops and I get my FF with Continental since their hub is in Newark. I would however prefer to get a good nights sleep and mitigate the jet lag and be rested for my meetings, it really makes a difference.
A person could get a bank of three economy seats for a quarter of the cost of one first-class. Of course, you'd get a group of triplets banging away on the back of all three. <G>Yep, all the money migrated upward. I learned that the last few years in the art fair biz: my 'bread-and-butter' item became a $400 jewelry box instead of the $40 cutting board, so, by golly, that's what i made. I have a friend who used to sell prints of her watercolors...now she's selling a lot more originals.Interesting that both examples of low end fares/gifts to high end fares/gifts are about an order of magnitude apart; i wonder if there is some principle at work there.
I'm not certain of today's economics, but I recall back in the early 1995-ish there was a move away from luxurious first class accommodations.I think it was around 12% of the people in first class actually paid the first class fare. The rest moved up from coach on mile/frequent flyer upgrades.Mongo
Boeing the company doesn't do much in the line of routine maintenance, their forte being production. However some buyers buy a maintenance package from Boeing which can be supplied by a number of 3rd parties that are contracted by Boeing.
I was a customer rep for the summer of '00 in the Everett plant where they built the 747, 767, & 777. No written article can really explain how impressive the operation is. Large subassemblies show up from all over the world and it's not very long before they are into the assembly line. Worst case that I could see was about 3 days for the empenagge parts made in Italy before they were put into the line. That's pretty darn good.
And there's no explaining the wing machine that builds up the wing upper lower skins. Awesome, incredible... just not getting close to describing it.
Even though I was under the largest roof in the world where they build airplanes, the amazing part was the organization & logistics I was witnessing.
Look above for rip pics"No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it's only a question of degree." - W.C. Fields
I've been following! Sorry, i should have left breadcrumbs...Thanks for posting those...amazing how big they look when you take the furniture out.
desk installers install desks but not seats
Hey, I install desks, seats, and even the chairmats. :)
get a different installer.
Here i was thinking you drove one (a desk, that is).
Where's the puke bag?
A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
http://www.quittintime.com/
Beside the seat belt under that little table type thingy"No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it's only a question of degree." - W.C. Fields
Another view.
View Image"No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it's only a question of degree." - W.C. Fields
this looks liking a flying call operation.
Will this take the place of those Indian operations?
Or a bookie joint.
Lemme take the tour, doesn't look like a money maker.................Oh I get it. This will be the candidates Press Corp plane.A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
http://www.quittintime.com/
Trust me, after 15 hours in one of those tin cans, those beds are real sweet.
This what you got before???
View Image"No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it's only a question of degree." - W.C. Fields
A little better on Continental, but not much. And at $11G a pop.
Wow. I have just gone to China twice in the last 2 months on Continental, the only non-stop taking the polar route out of NY so it is the quickest flight, but they don't have the flat beds in first class. I almost took Cathay Pacific, cause they have the nicest ride in the sky apparently complete with those pods. Might consider taking the non-stop AC flight to Beijing out of Toronto if those birds are ready in January.
Check and ask your travel agent.
they may be able to tell you. If not call me and I might be able to ask my neighbour to find out. All our B777 have these seats in buiness/first."No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it's only a question of degree." - W.C. Fields
Who you trying to fool ?
That ain't no real airlines airplane.
You can't fit 5 people in one of those pods !!
;o)
This more like it???????
View Image"No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it's only a question of degree." - W.C. Fields
Sardine city.Gives me the heebies just looking at it.
I would rather try to be kind, and fail miserably, than not care enough to try in the first place.
ok lemme guess 5000$ to just sit down. not the flight. no food. just sit down for five minutes. lol. no but seriously what are prices like? what it the back of the plane like.
Holy CRUD!!!!!!!
are Summary
Passenger Type Adult
Base Fare 5796.00
Fuel Surcharge YQ 212.00
Taxes, Fees and Charges
Canada Airport Improvement Fee SQ 15.00
Canada Security Charge CA 17.00
Canada Quebec Sales Tax (QST #1000-043-172) XQ 1.19
U.K. Passenger Service Charge UB 29.17
Canada Goods and Services Tax (GST/HST #10009-2287) XG 0.90
U.K. Air Passenger Duty GB 163.17
Total airfare and taxes before options (per passenger) 6234.43
Number Of Passengers 1
Grand Total - Canadian Dollars $6234.43
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Montreal to London return for the first class seats!!!!!!!"No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it's only a question of degree." - W.C. Fields
:o
British Airways is over $13,000 for a round trip first class. One of the lowest fares is Kuwait Airlines at $10,000+. You guys are giving it away and with style!Beat it to fit / Paint it to match
Grand Total - Canadian Dollars $6234.43
And AC will still lose your luggage.
Like they said in the movie Jerry Mcguire. "First class, it's not just leather seats with more leg room, it's a way of life" Some day I hope to have that kind of change lying around.
Any pictures showing what a mess the cabin looks like during the mod?
Interior mods were my least favorite of any of the work.
That is my plan in this thread so keep posted!!!"No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it's only a question of degree." - W.C. Fields
Interior pics above"No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it's only a question of degree." - W.C. Fields
Looks pretty clean actually. We used to do most of the cabin mods in conjunction with HMV/D Check. What a mess. I used to be able to ID most of those cable runs by heart.
Don't think I ever asked, what skill do you work? Or how do they break down the skills at AirCan?
In the hangar we had sheetmetal: outside the tube including wings and anything below the floor beams.cabin: all work inside the tube above the floor beamsaircraft systems: engines/apu, tail flight controlshydraulics: hyd systems and th remainder of the fl contavionics: all elect & A/P
The lines between the skills shifted after I became an Inspector but they're not too far from that.
Speaking of looking big with no interior, ever see a 747 freighter? You can play a full court basketball game in there with no obstructions. Frigging huge...
I was a Catergory 1 mechanic---all mechanical systems
I'm now doing temp foreman.
The other categories are---
Cat 13 interiors
cat 19 sheet metal
cat 33 cleaners
cat 38 avionics ie cone heads aka spark farmers
As for the 747 freighters-- we have worked on the "evergreen" 747's as well as Fed Ex. We have also done 1 "callita air""No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it's only a question of degree." - W.C. Fields
you call 'em cone heads too? funny. I wonder if that's industrywide.
I should've said that those were the skills at the HMV/D-checks. There was no distinction between cabin & aircrat skills on the lighter checks.
Foreman? were you a suckazz? <G>
What engines are on your 67's?
These 67-300 are cfm56
The 200's are the old jt's or the PW-4000"No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it's only a question of degree." - W.C. Fields
cfm??? You mean CF-6?
We had shiddy experience with PW 4000 but I shouldn't knock 'em too hard. If it weren't for their poor performance they wouldn't have needed as many Inspectors (me). On oneof my Firdays I worked the the install of A PW that they had doen so much great stuff to that a lot if the 4000s future was riding on it. Ran fine during runip & I released it. Came back 2 days later after weekend to be working the replacement of same engine. Hardly made 1 TO with stalls all across the range. thanks Pratt.
The new orders were only CF-6s for the -300s & -400s. Fortunately somebody got smart whent hey ordered the 777s and got RR but the 777-300 has GEs on them due to a F-ed up contract Boeing signed with GE.
The best spew of guts I've seen was on a 4000. New 767-300 out of Toronto. Spewed his guts out the back.
Inspector asked me to look in the bleed valves to see if there was debri on the screens......"WHAT SCREENS!!!!!!!"
"ok try turning the fan" "YEAH RIGHT!!!!!"
One big molten mass!
No spares so we took a 4000 that was QEC for a 747-400. Took one day to hang it, and three days to get the FADEC to realize the engine was there."No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it's only a question of degree." - W.C. Fields
On a 763 I'll take GE over Pratt.Over the years I've had three go pop, all were Pratts.
Bruce,
Check out these new first class 'suites' on SingaporeAir.
http://www.singaporeair.com/saa/en_UK/content/exp/new/suite/index.jsp
A room to yer self??????
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$"No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it's only a question of degree." - W.C. Fields
Actually I just checked, it is only 12K to Beijing, notmuch more than I paid for the regular proletariate style first class. Unfortunately it makes 3 stops on the way.Yeah, take lots of pictures before, during and after your next reno. It'll rate right up there with the farm blog ;-)
Seriously, I think it is way cool. Take some pics of the hangar facility too. Is this at Dorval (Trudeau).
Yes it's at Dorval"No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it's only a question of degree." - W.C. Fields
I need to take my camera to work on Monday as we have the interior stripped and now ready for the rebuild."No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it's only a question of degree." - W.C. Fields
More interior shots.
This is mid way through the referb.
The cabin has been stripped and most of the wires have been run for the new entertainment system.
One of the shots is to show how small the floor beams are between the cabin and the cargo.
Love the pics!
How much longer will the refurbishment take?
supposed to be out on the 16th.
But we are missing 1 major part so we see the 22nd as the next possible date.
2 weeks"No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it's only a question of degree." - W.C. Fields
Well-
I for one am really glad you're waiting for that important part. <G>
The important part is "the" electrical sub panel that powers the entertainment system.
For those "plane nuts" folks here the P-87 panel in the E/E compartment.
For some reason this airplane didn't have one. no one knew about it until the airplane was in the hanger. Not something Boeing has just lying around.
Unless Junkhound or Splinter has one?????? Those Boeing garage sales junkies.
Once we have that (tomorrow so they say) we should be in good shape.
Jan 22 looks good at this point."No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it's only a question of degree." - W.C. Fields
Unless Junkhound or Splinter has one?????? Those Boeing garage sales junkies.
Dont have one of those; Alas, the surplus store's last day ever was Dec 21st.
I do have a finished, QC stamps and all, 300# forging for the main landing gear support of a 757 in the back, long story.
If you need to get at those wires, is there another access besides pulling out the interiors? Or is the only access through a seat or some carpeting?
Don't ask me. I'm just as confused as you LOL
Dang, how'd that happen?be wildered...
You can usually access them through the cargo ceiling panels. Sometimes you have to removes carpet and floor panels to access them but you really don't run into it that often once the plane is in service. Most wiring problems are in more accessible areas. Of course that's also where they are most vulnerable.
Thanks, that's exactly what i was thinking, that you wouldn't want to move the furniture and take up the wall-to-wall everytime a warning light came on.
We do have to do it from time to time but in actuality, removing a few rows of seats and some carpet and floor panels to get access isn't really that big of a job. If you are getting to that point you are usually very certain of where the problem is.
we got most of the economy seats in tonight.
The rest will go in tomorrow after the floor panels around the galleys and lav's are seal and mylar put over then. This is to keep out the water from getting to the structure and causing corrosion.
The first class seats are a bit of a trick. They have to go in before we install the fwd galley on the r/h side. SO if there is a major problem once the plane is in service. The galley has to come out to get the first class seat out.
Which bright engineer/interior designer figured that one????????"No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it's only a question of degree." - W.C. Fields
For fun take a look at a P-33 panel and see if the mount structure is cracked. Used to find them pretty regularly on the old honeycombed panel.
How bad is the seat pitch encroach (in coach)?
I measure the seat pitch tonight.
I'm not looking at the p-33 as I don't want to find it on this check.
The airplane goes in for a "C" check in the spring."No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it's only a question of degree." - W.C. Fields
Ok The pitch is as follows.
economy seats to row 20 at 33" From row 20 to about row 30 at 32" and the rest are at 31"
The exec first class seats are those sideways thingys so the pitch is pre set"No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it's only a question of degree." - W.C. Fields
Seat PITCH? Are those inch marks you're using supposed to be degree signs?°.....Alt + 0176, if so.
No, seat pitch, as used in aviation refers to the spacing between the seats. We usualluy measure from the front seat leg to front seat leg.
Why does the spacing vary and is it similar on other planes...more/longer in the forward econ seating? Good to know...
If I only knew how they came up with that stuff. I would imagine there are different price points for different pitches, but really, I just work on 'em and have given up trying to figure the industry out.
I finally realized the word "pitch" is being used like pitch on a screw thread, not pitch on a roof.
Exactly, and a good way to explain it too.
You're supposed to be working
I am working :)
I'm getting good at multi-tasking.
smaller seat pitch = more passengers.
That's why I call it 'sitting encroach' for coach zones.
I call flying coach "riding in steerage"
but you have to realize, I have a 35" inseam. I'm not comfortable stiing in many public places. Designers think the human body maxes out at about 5'10" LOL
More pics of the interior"No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it's only a question of degree." - W.C. Fields
The windows are covered...are you sworn to secrecy?
The windows look like that because the aircraft is in the hanger. What you see is the hanger door. Makes it look like the windows are covered."No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it's only a question of degree." - W.C. Fields
what routes/ranges are they putting these on?
any way to talk to your neighbor (like if you were flying with DW) while sitting in FC other than standing?
These are on the long haul routes. Vancouver to Japan or China.
Montreal to London
"No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it's only a question of degree." - W.C. Fields
thanks for the update pics.
You get that electrical panel thingy you were waiting for?
Yeah but as we feared it is full of issues. Solving them one by one but it's long.
We are at delivery -5 days. So the pressure is on. We should be able to make it."No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it's only a question of degree." - W.C. Fields
what's your staffing per crew per shift?
about 35-40 guys"No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it's only a question of degree." - W.C. Fields
98260.140 in reply to 98260.139 "I call flying coach "riding in steerage"but you have to realize, I have a 35" inseam. I'm not comfortable stiing in many public places. (Designers) Beancounters think the human body maxes out at about 5'10" LOL" Fixed that for you, LOL.Jake Gulick[email protected]CarriageHouse DesignBlack Rock, CTEdited 1/17/2008 7:37 pm ET by Lateapex911
Edited 1/17/2008 7:39 pm ET by Lateapex911
Well The airplane was made serviceable at 4 p.m. Sunday East time.
38 hours ahead of schedule.
"No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it's only a question of degree." - W.C. Fields
This means you're buying, right?
If I can find the "Bar is open" thread."No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it's only a question of degree." - W.C. Fields
Well, congrats on a job well done.
Do you get a bonus for finishing early?
Or at least a Canadian Tire gift certificate?
More like Canadian Tire Money"No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it's only a question of degree." - W.C. Fields
Speaking of money-
what did Ian get with his Lee Valley gift certificate?
I can't imagine a tool hungry teenage boy hasn't spent them yet.
Believe it or not, he hasn't spent it yet"No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it's only a question of degree." - W.C. Fields
Well, just remind him that you have a birthday, too.
Yup next week too!!!!!"No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it's only a question of degree." - W.C. Fields
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