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   Keith_C | Feb 14, 2002 05:33am | #1

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   Nope, not for a Stiletto.

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   SamD_ | Feb 14, 2002 04:49pm | #2

   *No, of course not. As long as it's gold plated.

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   Joe_Hennessey | Feb 15, 2002 04:32am | #3

   *Govmi't hammers are $600. $200's a bargain. Get two.

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   Tommy_B. | Feb 15, 2002 06:50am | #4

   *Not if you really love hammering.I tried the el cheapo $70 stilletto. I can't see it. Maybe for trim or siding with the stilletto framer. It's a gimmick. A lighter hammer cannot possibly hit as hard as a heavier one. Its simple physics.Help me out here, Mass x Velocity = force. Unless ti is magical, lighter will not produce more force. You simply cannot hit a spice in with one hit with a stilletto. God help you if your nailing some lams together, or driving a cut nail.If I wanted to burn 200 bucks I'd buy one because they are really cool.

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   SamD_ | Feb 15, 2002 09:07am | #5

   *Tommy, You shouldn't be letting bothersome details like simple physics intercede with all the extensive "testing" being done by the carpenter physicists out there. No doubt they're busy working up a new theory of relativity while pounding away with their light weight hammers. As Joe pointed out though, those fancy hammers at $200 a pop are small change compared to what went up in the space shuttle. It almost makes me want to pay a little extra so I won't feel like I'm pulling the wool over the eyes of those benevolent hammer manufacturers. Then again, I could be wrong. Sam

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   ken_hill | Feb 15, 2002 09:42am | #6

   *Yo, Tommy! - My sentiments exactly! It's impossible. The only thing I can think of is that since the hammer weighs less, one is theoretically able to propel it at a higher velocity thus equalling the resultant force of the heavier hammer.............It's still a buch of bullsh*t! But.........I WOULD ultimately defer to those guys who have 'em and like'em.

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   Thomas_Moen | Feb 15, 2002 09:45am | #7

   *Tommy, can't you swing a light hammer with greater velocity than a heavy one, all else being equal? Put that in your equation. :-)I agree that its a gimmick, but only because its titanium. You can make a light hammer out of steel too, and it doesn't cost a lot. Titanium's the gimmick, not lightness.

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   Keith_C | Feb 15, 2002 04:07pm | #8

   *This is one of those things that has been discussed here many times. I have one of the wooden handled ones, used it for 2 weeks, rest of the crew loved it, so I appropriated the funds and equipped them. I'm not gonna sit here and argue the science....I've got a degree in science...but it does work great, is easier on my arm, and lighter in my belt. I'd just a soon let the rest swing the steel and smile, happy in the belief that their physics is right, as I smile, swing my stiletto, happy with my little secret weapon. I ordered a new Ti-bone......can't wait.

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   Steve_Schefer | Feb 15, 2002 07:24pm | #9

   *My findings were simple. I swung the 28oz'r half as hard in the afternoon as I did in the morning. I swung the ti-bone twice as hard all day long. One hit, you betcha. That's simple physics.

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   David_Mason | Feb 16, 2002 08:49am | #10

   *IMHO yes it is too much to spend on a hammer, Mitch. Dave

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   Richard_Utter | Feb 17, 2002 07:54am | #11

   *do you own a set of golf clubs! nuf ced

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   jmilich | Feb 19, 2002 02:12am | #12

   *its a question of energy, not force. energy is proportional to the velocity squared, so if the Ti hammer weighed half as much as the steel, but could be made to move twice as fast, the energy would be doubled.

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   Keith_C | Feb 19, 2002 03:03am | #13

   *And it takes less energy to get a Ti swinging much faster than a steel. $200.00....ahhhh..hmmmm...well...anybody price a Big Bertha lately, or a pair of Redwings? You pay alot more for things that will not last as long, nor give you as much fun.

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    SamD_ | Feb 19, 2002 08:45am | #14

    *"And it takes less energy to get a Ti swinging much faster than a steel". Come on Keith, take two hammers that have the same mass and it doesn't make a bit of difference if one is made of steel or made of Ti. You could go into the relative differences in elasticity between the two materials but for all intents and purposes, those differences are not a factor here. As for the comment about "being made to move twice as fast", well, once again, it's predicated on the ability to actually do this. As for golf clubs, I don't know a damn thing about them. If they have Ti shafts, however, I've no doubt that the characteristics are different that your "standard" golf club; titanium is an excellent material for springs and has a amazing memory. Once again, there's no comparison between this and hammers (if the shafts are indeed Ti- maybe it's just the heads?). If yer' dying to have Titanium, go for it. Just don't confuse your desire for the cachet of exotic materials with basic physics. Sam

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    Pro-Dek | Feb 19, 2002 09:21am | #15

    *Yes! $200 is too much to pay for display. Man! I really want one though.

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    Keith_C | Feb 19, 2002 03:52pm | #16

    *Sam...I'm kornfused. Are you saying that the steel and the Ti take the same energy to get moving on the backswing, bring to a stop, reverse direction, and accelerate into the nail? You know the Ti weighs much less than the steel right? So then if you have a bucket full of steel, and a bucket full of insulation, that it takes the same energy to get them up a flight of steps?

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    Keith_C | Feb 19, 2002 03:58pm | #17

    *Pro....for god sakes man, put some crown around the top of those cabinets. Looks like the cheapo tracts where they are counting pennies. I know your not cheap with that "monument to the hammer". My Ti-bone should get here friday!!!

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    SamD_ | Feb 19, 2002 04:58pm | #18

    *Keith, man, read my post again. I'm talking about two hammers with the same mass...... Steel is weighing in at something like .28#/cubic inch, Ti, .16#/cubic inch......All I'm really saying is this: if you want a light hammer, it doesn't need to be made from Ti.... Ti is exotic (well, not such much, anymore) and sounds a lot more intriguing than boring 'ol steel.... But whittle that steel hammer down to whatever those Ti hammers are weighing it at...... Sam

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    SamD_ | Feb 19, 2002 05:00pm | #19

    *Bob, man, there are people over here on the other side of the lake that can help people like you.... Just walk away and no one gets hurt.....Sam

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    Pro-Dek | Feb 19, 2002 06:04pm | #20

    *LOL- Sam I need all the help I can get.OK! OK! Keith - Someday I'll get around to finishing this office. Still have the base and toe kick to do as well. Like my wife says " everything around here is only 90% finished.Am I the only one that hears that?"It's all these guys on FHB dear,they ask alot of questions"Hehe

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    ken_hill | Feb 19, 2002 11:37pm | #21

    *Keith and Sam- I think the original baseline of this physics discussion was the claim by Stiletto that you could acheive thye same results with their hammer which, as I recall, weighs in at 15oz (the original). All variables other than weight being equal, 15ozs of titanium will not equal ANY material weighing more- DUH. To get the resultant force of a 15oz titanium hammer to equal that of a 22 or 28oz hammer, you obviously have to swing the titanium hammer harder(faster). This is basic physics stuff. What else needs to be discussed?

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    SamD_ | Feb 20, 2002 12:53am | #22

    *Ken, And therein, lies my point. I think your words exactly echo mine... "two hammers that have the same mass....."Sam

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    Don_Hoover | Feb 23, 2002 03:44am | #23

    *I'm waiting till the 7 ounce ti hammer comes out. Half the weight so can swing it twice as fast as a 14 oz or four times as fast as a 28 oz, yet with the same force as a 14 oz swung twice as slow or a 28 oz swung four times as slow. Those 16 d's will just disappear. So light you won't know what side it's hanging on. Might make nail guns obsolete. And a steal at $350. Or maybe wait till the 3 oz; it could be like the old joke, want to see me nail that off...want to see it again?

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    Bucksnort_Billy | Feb 23, 2002 05:46am | #24

    *I'll bet I have 50 lbs. of hammers...maybe 45 lbs of nail guns...hose me down, baby...

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    Keith_C | Feb 23, 2002 06:51pm | #25

    *Got my new Ti-bone yesterday. You guys are right, does'nt work, I'm sure you would not like it. I would'nt waste your money.

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    Dylan_Hicks | Feb 24, 2002 08:15am | #26

    *I don't know. I really, really want another Hart framer but can't seem to cough up the $30. Am I cheap or what.

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    Thomas_Moen | Feb 24, 2002 01:08pm | #27

    *You're what.

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    Pro-Dek | Feb 25, 2002 12:14am | #28

    *Kieth- Are you serious? Is it really just alot of Hoopla, or is it a very unique hammer?I'm wanting to add one to my collection thinking they won't be in production very long because there just aren't that many contractors out there that can afford one.Thus, that makes them even more valuable,say,20 years from now.Bob

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    Keith_C | Feb 25, 2002 12:46am | #29

    *Yes and no. It is heavier(noticably)than the wood handled one I have. So much that I would grab the old one if given a chance, and the rubber handle is not to my liking right off. I like the bulge in the center of the wooden handle, and that is where my hand gravitates to naturally. The rubber handle has a thumb notch, and grips for your fingers(yuk). Other than that it drives a nail well as the old one and looks cool, REALLY cool. Replaceable faces is a good thing. Is it worth $200......hmmmm. Nope.But I still got one.

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    Pro-Dek | Mar 01, 2002 09:57am | #30

    *I'm not to keen on the rubber handle either. it get's hung up in your hammer loop. They should have put wood on both sides of the handle, that would have made it unique, and more user friendly.thanks for the info Kieth. Now don't go and get that thing all dirty.Bob