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Tile parallel and square to…what?

Richie921 | Posted in Construction Techniques on November 4, 2009 04:46am

I’m tiling a friends bathroom floor. If I set the floor tiles square to the door opening they are pretty much square the wall with the door and parallel to the other two walls. Nice! The problem comes in with the tub. It must have been installed on Friday at 5:30 cause it is way out of square to the sidewalls and not parallel to the door wall (as u walk in the bath the tub would be in front of you with the long side running left to right). This would result in tapered tiles along the tub. If I set the tile layout square to the tub the rest of the room is off and the grout line will look crooked from the door. I figure I’ll go with the first layout and have the taper along the tub but figured I would throw it out there b4 I do it so maybe someone has a different opiniion or idea I haven’t thought of. Tiles are going down in a normal layout (no diagonals etc..). Thanks.
Richie

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  1. mikeys | Nov 04, 2009 04:55pm | #1

    I'd go with option 1 but adjust the layout so you have large pieces at the tub. Tapering from say 6" to 5" is less obvious than 2" to 1".

     

  2. JTC1 | Nov 04, 2009 05:10pm | #2

    Another vote for what mikeyS said - taper bigger pieces at tub if possible.

    How large are the tiles?

    Jim

    Never underestimate the value of a sharp pencil or good light.
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    McDesign | Nov 04, 2009 07:41pm | #3

    I'd disagree with the former answers, and lay out the tiles true with the tub - it's more a "focal point" of the room than the door.

    We did my master bath that way in a crooked room, and I'm still convinced it was the right call.

    Forrest

  4. CCI | Nov 04, 2009 07:47pm | #4

    Is there a reason for no diagonals?

    How about not lining up the grout lines?  I believe it is a "running bond".  Every other row is offset by 1/2 the width of the tile so the out of square looks less obvious.  That way the angled grout line viewed from the door is not as bad and you can split the difference between the walls and tub being out of square.

    1. FastEddie | Nov 04, 2009 08:34pm | #6

      Ditto.  Perfect scenario for diagonal layout. "Put your creed in your deed."   Emerson

      "When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it."  T. Roosevelt

      1. Dave45 | Nov 05, 2009 02:34am | #10

        My thinking too, Eddie - particularly if he's using a contrasting grout.

        1. Richie921 | Nov 06, 2009 05:19am | #11

          Hey all. Thanks for the responses. After throwing around all the ideas you guys put out there, I decided to keep the tiles parrallel with the wall keeping the tiles along the tub over 1/2 there width (12") to minimize how noticable the taper is. This left all the sizes consistent along the three walls and the grout line looks straight from the door when u look in the room. Thanks again.
          Richie

          1. Jercarp | Nov 06, 2009 03:39pm | #12

            Do what Andy said. Fudging so they don't see it is a real art.

          2. andybuildz | Nov 06, 2009 08:15pm | #13

            try working on a 365 year old house...that makes eyeballing and fudging the best teacher.
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  5. andybuildz | Nov 04, 2009 07:56pm | #5

    What I do in cases like this is I run my tiles square to the longest and most focal point..In your case that probably would be the tub. I try and fudge it a little in the grout line in that area making it a hair uneven in the grout and then when I get to the opposing wall I take my base molding (assuming there is base molding) and I pack my base out a hair uneven. If you can split the uneven-ness around the room it's better than one wall being totally lopsided. In a lot of cases I figure to do the base molding even if I never intended to from the start. I try and use a nice thick base and or shoe molding to cover the eyesore. Ya gotta figure out the lesser of two evils.

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  6. Hudson Valley Carpenter | Nov 04, 2009 08:42pm | #7

    Use grout the same shade as the tile.  It's called the stealth method.

  7. DanH | Nov 04, 2009 09:23pm | #8

    Walk in the door and notice what you notice first -- where do your eyes land? And what will you see while sitting on the pot? These are the things you want to "optimize".

    If you must trim tile on a slight diagonal, shift the pattern to make the cut tile as large as possible -- the diagonal cut is more obvious on narrow slivers of tile.

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  8. Sbds | Nov 05, 2009 12:11am | #9

    Good time for a diamond pattern layout.

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    Dinosaur | Nov 07, 2009 01:12am | #14

    The best solution (aside from a diagonal layout) is to set the tiles square and parallel to a centerline cross, and fudge the grout space on each row so that by the time you get to the tub or the wall or whatever, it is parallel to that. Note that this will not work if the room is too small, or the amout the tub is out of square is too large. But if, for example, you have an inch to recover or give back over 10-12 feet, and you're not using huge tiles, it will work fine. Nobody will notice the grout lines are not all the same size.

    This is a pain to do as you must do a lot of calculating and split hairs between rows of tile. But it works, if you have the patience.

    Dinosaur

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    1. andybuildz | Nov 07, 2009 03:55am | #15

      sell him the room stretcher I loaned ya : )View Image

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        Dinosaur | Nov 08, 2009 05:29am | #16

        Sent it back to you along with that bucket of steam you asked for.

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