I HAVE BUILT A SHOWER STALL, AND I AM READY TO BEGIN TILING. I WOULD LIKE TO TILE THE CEILING, IS THIS RECOMMENDED?, IF SO WHAT IS THE BEST PROCEDURE?
Edited 3/2/2004 7:47:20 AM ET by HUNDWASSER
I HAVE BUILT A SHOWER STALL, AND I AM READY TO BEGIN TILING. I WOULD LIKE TO TILE THE CEILING, IS THIS RECOMMENDED?, IF SO WHAT IS THE BEST PROCEDURE?
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I use thinset to wonderboard. Not mastic glue.
I do the ceiling first.
I run 2x4's or whatever along opposing walls about 4"-4 1/2" down from the WB.
I install a row of tile and put another 2x4 on top of the ones screwed to the wall. I add shims if necessary to keep each row of tile up.
Remove the 2x's the next day.
BE well
andy
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WHAT A SIMPLE BUT BRILLIANT SOLUTION!
THANK YOU!
aint that brilliant. But it works. Did it half a dozen times after not being able to sleep trying to figure out a way.
You shoulda seen me trying to thinset 12x12 green marble to the ceiling years ago.
I wont even begin to tell you how stupid I looked.
Like Lucy and Ethel trying to hang wallpaper.
Be smart as dumb makes ya act and feel
(spose I coulda pre drilled and used drywall screws)
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"aint that brilliant. But it works. Did it half a dozen times after not being able to sleep trying to figure out a way."
ANDY,
Now I see why I like you. I do the same thing with jobs at work also. Often wake up at 2:00am. Came up with a way to improvise an 9' diameter centrifuge the other day to solve a gassing problem in a resin we were casting. Total cost to company....$2.00 materials, $10.00 labor, $100.00 of my time over the course of two days convincing mngmt it would work, and let me try.
Sometimes solutions to problems are brilliantly simple.
Jon
Jon
Thanks and don't ask about the new issues here....Emails or in person might work better.
Sometimes solutions to problems are brilliantly simple.
How stupid do we feel when the most simple things we make so wrong.
I try and be a simpleton when figuring things out "first" and then I get complex.
I sure wish I could shut my mind down for half hour. Sex works.lol...but then again I try and figure out some complex things there too....LOL!!
Never to worry...life will never get boring around me. Lucky DW.
Be well bro.
Hope the honeymoon aint over yet
ac
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"Hope the honeymoon aint over yet"
Andy,
Andy, Andy, Andy.
Check your e-mail.
Did take a few pics of my "quickly cobbled together" centrifuge. Try not to laugh, but it worked for the application. Getting rid of air quickly out of a very viscous, quickly catalyzing resin. Just dumped it in an empty caulking type tube and let it rip.
Was basically an old metal working lathe that was cut in half and used to turn large patterns years ago. Now it pretty much just sits idle. Shook a bit at 300 RPM though
Jon
I love your ingenuity, but I have found it's much easier to get the material out of the caulking gut by simply squeezing the trigger.......and it seems to me your centrifuge would make it a tad difficult to place the caulking precisely where you want it.
But on second thought maybe it could salvage those busted tubes I hate to throw away. ; - }
"but I have found it's much easier to get the material out of the caulking gut by simply squeezing the trigger......."
Sven,
I take it you are joking. Gist of it was the mfr of the resin I was using said to "degas" it in a vacuum chamber, which we have and I tried. But for a variety of reasons, it became to viscous to pour into the mold, so I decided to inject it in using a large caulking gun (and fresh empty tube) , but prior to that had to come up with a way to quickly de-gas the resin.
The type of work I do is very akin to Lockheed Skunk Works type stuff. I have a plethora of tools at my disposal, just figure out how with them, to get the job done.
Jon
"and it seems to me your centrifuge would make it a tad difficult to place the caulking precisely where you want it."
Svenny,
Just reread this thread and I see where your comment came from. New caulking tubes prior to filling have the tips sealed. When placed in my improvised centrifuge, the air escapes past the plunger as centrifugal force also forces the gun plunger rod to compress. No material leaves the tube until I pop the seal.
Jon
And I bet it's a challenge to time it just right to cut the tip as it passes by on the right side (or left if you're a southpaw)! Or maybe you just hold the utility knife at 3 o'clock and carefully bring it into the tip as it's whizzing by.
Tongue still firmly in cheek,
John
I used wall tile adhesive to tile a ceiling in a shower. They stick right up there. I know the pros insist on using thin set for mounting tiles, but I find adhesive easier to work with on walls and ceilings because it grabs real good. The baths I've done with it seem to be holding out just fine. Am I a hack?
"I used wall tile adhesive to tile a ceiling in a shower. They stick right up there. I know the pros insist on using thin set for mounting tiles,.........Am I a hack?"
Rich,
Yes.
This is FHB, remember? What we build should still be standing well after we are gone.
Besides, thinset sets up pretty darn fast. after getting the feel of using both, no way would I ever use mastic except for a quickie repair in a non-moisture laden environment.
Jon
>> What we build should still be standing well after we are gone.
Well, yes. But does it make sense to do a tile installation that will last longer than the house is likely to? Does it make sense to do a better tile installation than the customer wants to pay for?
"But does it make sense to do a tile installation that will last longer than the house is likely to? Does it make sense to do a better tile installation than the customer wants to pay for?"
Dunc,
Like I said, this is FHB, not JLC. It doesn't take all that much extra effort to do a 10X better job with thinset vs. a half a$$ job with mastic on the ceiling of a shower.
Really,, could you think of a worse place to use it?
Jon
>> ... a half a$$ job with mastic on the ceiling of a shower.
>> Really,, could you think of a worse place to use it?
I don't know enough about tile to have an opinion. Maybe mastic is just flat wrong in that application. If ceilings done that way start to fail in 90 days, or a year, or two years, then I agree with you, that's just a hack job.
>> It doesn't take all that much extra effort to do a 10X better job with thinset ...
You're probably right. I suppose every tile setter will have a different notion of how much not all that much extra effort is required.
And the scenario I was imagining might be less common than I fear. If business is so bad you can't turn down the low end jobs, and the extra effort required to do it right represents a significant amount of money, and the competition is so sharp that you lose all the jobs you bid high enough to make a profit doing it right, then you're faced with an unappetizing choice, give up some profit and maintain your Fine Homebuilder credentials, or give up some self respect and keep putting groceries on the table.
If you're busy enough that you don't have to bid those jobs, or the extra effort really is negligible, or your customer base is willing to pay for the extra time to get the better quality, then I agree with you, there's no reason to use mastic.
"...and the competition is so sharp that you lose all the jobs you bid high enough to make a profit doing it right, then you're faced with an unappetizing choice,........give up some self respect and keep putting groceries on the table."
Dunc,
I hope I'm never faced with that choice.
If that's the case, that person may be a craftsman, but really stinks at sales. Which is perhaps why......trying real hard not to sound stereotypical here...mastercrafts people and sales people types often go on to found very successful businesses as partnerships.
Jon
Edited 3/6/2004 3:49 pm ET by WorkshopJon
Jon...why? Does adhesive not last as long, hold water? I've always heard thin set is best, but never heard an explanation why.
Signed, The Hack
Rich,
Mastic does not "cure" per say. ie. does not "catalyze" ie. molecularly crosslink. So it stays water soluble. If enough moisture is present it will soften just like white glue.
Jon
Jon,
Thanks for the explanation.
Rich
I'd be real concerned about big voids behind the tile that are filling up with condensate ... might end up with a lake above your head.The High Desert Group LLC
I use thinset, but reserve a couple of spots for a good blob of hot melt glue -
sticks nearly immediately, entire back of tile is covered, - only trick I've found is that its sometimes necessary to test the tile first before putting the glue on - make sure thickness is how you want, pull tile off, add glue - set in place
my 2 cents anyway
J
"Tongue still firmly in cheek,"
Svenny,
The gun is removed after spinning...........then the tip is cut off................then the resin is injected into the mold...................then the filled mold is placed in a large paint pot, (~200 gallons) then [highly] pressurized.....and heated...were it cures.............Had about 5 minutes to do the entire procedure from start to finish.
Jon
Hey neat. I heard Stan Foster was looking for a different propeller for his new gyrocopter.
Or, adapt that design, with a caulk gun style smoke generator on each blade for a neat pattern around an acrobatic aircraft.
Could have used that centrifuge back when I used to test rubbers for the Air Force.
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"Could have used that centrifuge back when I used to test rubbers for the Air Force."
Dan,
Should I even ask? But aircraft are an interest of mine so....What did you do back then?
Jon
I tested rubbers, as in Lord BTR (a type of butyl rubber). It came in crumbly chunks and had to be dissolved in solvent and then dried out to make a solid piece you could test, but it would always form bubbles during the drying process. I considered a centrifuge but never got around to rigging one -- moved on to other things before I tackled that.
(Worked at Wright-Pat AFB. Whenever the swing-wing F111s were grounded worldwide because another wing had fallen off, there was a single F111 not grounded, flying overhead with instruments in it. One day I saw the broken-off pivot of an F111 wing laying on the floor outside a machine shop, waiting to be cut into pieces for testing. And then there were the B52s that took off directly overhead.)
"there was a single F111 not grounded,"
Dan
Do they even fly them anymore?
My older brother worked on them in the '80's when he worked in Artificial intel at Grumman in LI NY right after the raid on Libia. Apparently ALOT went wrong with the planes during, and two had to turn back. Lot's of fixes needed ASAP.
Jon
I'm with ya ...
shout as many compliments as loud as ya like at me!
The louder the better ....
... stand over near the fence so the neighbors can hear .......
JeffBuck Construction Pittsburgh,PA
Artistry in Carpentry
stand over near the fence so the neighbors can hear .......
Jeff
You should see the letter I got today from a neighbor.....OMGGGG.
Please dont ask.
Once this house is totally done I'm selling it to a family of fifteen black people that dont speak English and moving to Northern California finally.Or near IMERC.
sorry IMERC....lol
Or maybe even worse to fifteen Jews that only speak Hebrew....that'd show em.LOLLLLLLLLL.
Be a Hinyid
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Do you think you could please turn off the "Caps" key except for regular use? ALL CAPS is shouting.Quality repairs for your home.
Aaron the HandymanVancouver, Canada
who cares if he's shouting.least he's honest..LOL.....in my older age I need the shouting (ears are shot) and large caps(my eyes are shot too).
Be old
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