Hello. I have seen some people frame walls by face nailing (correct term?) the bottom plate to the studs before rasing the wall. I other words when they have the wall on the ground the nail through the bottom plate and into the end of the stud.
Is this correct? I thought studs were supposed to be toe nailed to the plates per code?
Thanks
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It's a Regional thing. Some places require toenailing and others require facenailing. You have to see what's code where your from. Where I'm from we toenail.
Not sure where you are,but face nailing is fine in Ma.
It seems to be a preferance thing,ask anyone who toenails + they will say face nailing is no good.
ask a face nailer and you'll get toe nails are for the birds.
Try a search you can probly read till your eyes fall out!
NAIL IT !!!
I learned to frame in NJ with toenailing, went west where its face nailing, its not so much the nailing as it is the framing technics which are different.This will enduce arguments much akin to the Tavern about political partys or religion. That being said tonail a stud with 5 8penny nails and take a stud with 2 16 penny nails endnailed and try and knock them out,The 16 penny nailed stud comes right out.
Okay....your little test has merit. Now lets do mine: Face nail all the studs. Stand the house up. Put the ceiling and roof on. Then, slam your hammer upward and try to knock the top plate off. Nothing will happen. Now, slam your hammer and try to knock the bottom plate off. Nothing will happen.So, tell me again why it needs to be toenailed? Bob's next test date: 12/10/07
what do people in NJ write their own codes?
It's okay if they write their own codes. It still doesn't change the fact that it doesn't matter. If I worked in a locality that required toenailing, I'd still face nail everything, then go back after everything is standing and shoot the required toenails in. Bob's next test date: 12/10/07
what do people in NJ write their own codes?
Can you explain that please.Joe Carola
because the toenailing is mostly in NJ
because the toenailing is mostly in NJ
Doesn't mean that we write own own codes. I'm sure there are other States that toenail.Joe Carola
If there are they are keeping quiet about it.
Is it actually in the code?
Is it actually in the code?
Both ways are in the code. Joe Carola
We modify the 2006 IBC to a New Jersey edition.
Same with 2006 IRC.
It's a consequence of adopting such a global building code while maintaining preferred standards and practices that have been in place here for some time.
At least we're all on line now - http://www2.iccsafe.org/states/newjersey/ (except for the NEC 2008, which has a different publisher).
We also have a statewide Rehabilitation Subcode which addresses existing structures and is a HUGE improvement over the way codes in the past addressed existing buildings.
Jeff
Edited 3/6/2008 10:27 pm ET by Jeff_Clarke
Nailing schedule for plates
Jeff,
I have the IRC New Jersey Edition 2006. What you posted was from page 116. I toenail with 10 8d's on each side...............;-)Joe Carola
Yep, then you leave the studs laying around for the painter to use as a paint brush <G>
...tonail a stud with 5 8penny nails and take a stud with 2 16 penny nails endnailed and try and knock them out,The 16 penny nailed stud comes right out.
Sure, but the comparison is unfair. Partly because standard nail schedules require only 4 8d toenails for plate to stud, and while schedules also require only 2 16d nails for end-nailing (it's not face nailing - see graphics below), anyone who wants to keep a framed wall intact would be wise to use 3 16d nails (which is still much faster and easier than 4 toenails.
I've never assembled a wall without 3 16d nails per stud (even with 2x4 studs), and I never use bright nails. They're either hot-dipped galvanized or CC sinkers or cement coated gun nails. First two go in straight to align the stud - last one in the middle goes in at an angle to lock it together. Doesn't come apart when lifted or moved, but easy to take apart if a mistake is made or a window opening needs to be moved.
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They cant use there nail guns with toenailing or at any rate its hard to, its very fast and easy to use a gun with16 penny nails, i always used 5 nails.
Thanks Riversong for the correct term, I did not know what it was called and the only thing I could think of that was close was "face nailing".
Thanks for your help.
I was not sure why one framer did it one way and another the other way. I guess it just depends where your at and the code.