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   mojo | Feb 28, 2008 07:58pm | #1

   I don't have the answer but am interested in responses here.  We outfitted our house with the same bowls and have achieved the same results.  I'm very unhappy with them.

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   john7g | Feb 28, 2008 08:09pm | #2

   toto has a good rep, I have 3 of the elongated and they clear/clean well and don't plug easily. Google for toilet perfomance, there's a site for it. 

   Search must not be working (as usual), there has been discussions of this just recently. 

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   Hudson Valley Carpenter | Feb 28, 2008 08:18pm | #3

   After consulting with a plumber I installed two of these Sterling Windham toilets, one round bowl and one elongated.  They both perform very well.

   http://www.sterlingplumbing.com/onlinecatalog/detail.jsp?rescom=professional&item=3811603&prod_num=402315

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   junkhound | Feb 28, 2008 08:19pm | #4

   Whenever I see an old round front 3 gallon per flush toilet on the curb for free, I grab it. 

   Have replaced a few toilets in the last few years do to damage, and always have used the old 'freebies'.

   IMO there is almost no way a 1GPF can perform the same as the older toilets. 

   I stay in  alot of hotels, the best flushes are with the air driven pressure ones, but are they ever noisy, would not have one in own house, it'd wake everybody up if it were flushed at night.

   Flash:  you did not have any info on your profile (double click your own name) so don't know if you are in a high price/low supply water area.  I'm on my own 30 gpm well and septic so water usage is of low considration for me.

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   flash28 | Feb 28, 2008 08:44pm | #5

   I'm in Nashville, Tn. and we did have a bad drought this past year but I try very hard to use as little water as possible anyway.  I always turn the water off in the shower when I'm scrubbing up, even.  Yeah, back when the low flow toilets were still fairly new, one of my clients bought a pressure assist model for a bathroom I was redoing.  That thing sounded like a jetliner toilet and shook the whole floor.  I really had to tighten the bolts down hard between the tank and the bowl because the force kept pushing water out around the mack washer.  Generally anymore most seem to flush well in terms of suction, but few clean the bowl well in the process.

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   MikeSmith | Feb 29, 2008 04:16am | #16

   junk.... the new Am Std  Champion has a gravity flush and it will outpeform the old 3 gal flushMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore

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   Hackinatit | Feb 29, 2008 04:21am | #17

   Second thatLiberty = Freedom from unjust or undue governmental control.

   American Heritage Dictionary

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   plumbbill | Feb 29, 2008 07:31am | #20

   I stay in  alot of hotels, the best flushes are with the air driven pressure ones, but are they ever noisy, would not have one in own house, it'd wake everybody up if it were flushed at night.

   Hey now, I have a Gerber powerflush in my house.

   “The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing.” —Albert Einstein

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   atrident | Feb 29, 2008 09:40pm | #23

     Got a pressurized Crane because the tank would sweat so much in the winter. Works fine albiet a bit noisy. FYI I fixed a cracked toilet tank for a customer with J-B Indestro weld epoxy. It was pink and matched the tub,so you know...... Also used the J-B to fix the heater outlet on my Chev 350 manifold.

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   xxPaulCPxx | Feb 28, 2008 08:45pm | #6

   About now is when the people who love the American Standard Champions chime in... Oh, I guess that's me!

   The Champion flush is very different from any other toilet I've seen - much more like a power assist.  When you hit the handle, all the water in the bowl immediatly disappears.  No ponderous filling and swirling - just whoosh - gone.

   Believe me, next time you have to shout into the porcelin phone, you will appreciate this feature.

   My in-law family used to clog my toilets all the time, but these toilet foil their every attempt.

   I have both the round and elongated, both work great.  You can even get a quick second flush if you need to right away without waiting for a full tank refill.

   This series did have an initial flaw with the seal on the flush tower.  Basicly, the sealing ring turned out to be to flimsy, and could slowly leak water between flushes into the bowl.  It was replaced with a firmer ring, but anyone who bought the early ones has to replace them themselves.

   I've got 3 of them, and have been very happy.  I'm only replacing one with a Toto because of the Toto's specific look, not because I'm unhappy with the A.S. Champion. 

   Rebuilding my home in Cypress, CA

   Also a CRX fanatic!

   If your hair looks funny, it's because God likes to scratch his nuts.  You nut, you.

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   Sawblade | Feb 28, 2008 08:52pm | #7

   Paul,

   I installed three of these in our new house, and you are correct, you can't clog these things.  It is indeed an odd "feeling" system.  You have to push relatively hard on the handle to get it to go, but once it goes.......IT GOES!!  However, I have one that will occasionally fail to grab the tower when you depress the handle.  It sometimes takes 2 or 3 attempts to get it to catch.  Have you experienced this?

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   Hackinatit | Feb 28, 2008 10:29pm | #11

   It sometimes takes 2 or 3 attempts to get it to catch.  Have you experienced this?

   Our's does that, too...

   Pulling up on the handle, then pushing down usually cures it on the next attempt.Liberty = Freedom from unjust or undue governmental control.

   American Heritage Dictionary

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   xxPaulCPxx | Feb 29, 2008 05:41am | #19

   Yep - mine do that too.  I have know idea HOW it happens, as I've never had the lid off when it did.  Click - Click - Click -THUNK - gone.  Happens about once a week to me, I think.Rebuilding my home in Cypress, CA

   Also a CRX fanatic!

   If your hair looks funny, it's because God likes to scratch his nuts.  You nut, you.

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   Hackinatit | Feb 28, 2008 10:30pm | #12

   You are correct on all counts. The kids needed a few times to adjust to the sound....

   but, WOW, does that think push/pull the solids outta there. Liberty = Freedom from unjust or undue governmental control.

   American Heritage Dictionary

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   madmadscientist | Feb 28, 2008 10:13pm | #8

   If you want to know more than you ever thought possible about which toilets work you need to go to Terry Love's site.

   www.terrylove.com/

   He does his own test of toilets and theres a forum there where all they do is talk toilets....so much toilet talk...

   His sites gotten a bit bizarre over time here's the direct link to his toilet report

   http://www.terrylove.com/crtoilet.htm

   He really likes the ToTo's

   Daniel Neumansky

   Restoring our second Victorian home this time in Alamdea CA.  Check out the blog http://www.chezneumansky.blogspot.com/ 

   Oakland CA 

   Crazy Homeowner-Victorian Restorer

   
   

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   Edited 2/28/2008 2:17 pm by madmadscientist

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   BillHartmann | Feb 28, 2008 10:26pm | #10

   Some came out with a unit that does not have a flush vavle. Rather it has a holding tank that sets inside the tank.When you flush it the holding tank flips over and dumps the water all at once.Does anyone know what brand that is?Maybe it was a concept that never got off the ground..
   .
   A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.

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   Hackinatit | Feb 28, 2008 10:25pm | #9

   American Standard Champion two piece...

   decent style,

   decent price at Lowe's,

   "CLICK, THUMP, GONE" action for whatever the human body can discard.

   I glad I made the purchase.

   Liberty = Freedom from unjust or undue governmental control.

   American Heritage Dictionary

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   ToolFreakBlue | Feb 28, 2008 11:04pm | #13

   How 'bout one of these:

   http://www.airpoo.com/

   TFB (Bill)
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   Snort | Feb 29, 2008 03:10am | #14

   Toto Drake G-max... may even come in round bowl...

   Winterlude, Winterlude, my little daisy,

   Winterlude by the telephone wire,

   Winterlude, it's makin' me lazy,

   Come on, sit by the logs in the fire.

   The moonlight reflects from the window

   Where the snowflakes, they cover the sand.

   Come out tonight, ev'rything will be tight,

   Winterlude, this dude thinks you're grand.

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    MikeSmith | Feb 29, 2008 04:14am | #15

    the new Am Std, high boy, elongated, Champion model

    i used to be a Toto fan ... but now......Am Std

    Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
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    bmovies | Feb 29, 2008 04:26am | #18

    I wish I got a commission for how many times I've recommended the American Standard Champion with the elongated bowl.

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    plumbbill | Feb 29, 2008 07:37am | #21

    Wellworths are worthless I agree.

    As I just told Junk about my Gerber powerflush, I had to have a bit more quiet in my main bath.

    I went with a Kohler Cimarron http://www.us.kohler.com/onlinecatalog/product_result.jsp?module=Toilets&category=13&subcategory=117&QS_0=All&QS_1=Jetted+Bowl+-+Class+Five&QS_2=All&QS_3=All&QS_4=All&QS_5=All&QS_6=All&colorIdx=4

    It has a "class five" flushing system. http://www.us.kohler.com/tech/products/why_classfive.jsp

    “The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing.” —Albert Einstein
    

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    MikeHennessy | Feb 29, 2008 06:27pm | #22

    You'll get a lot of advice based on what people use themselves, but that's pretty anecdotal. The Canadian govt. tests toilets (annually, I think) and publishes the results. Toto does pretty well, but (perhaps surprisingly) a lot of the less expensive American Standard and other models do as well, if not better. I'd suggest you check this out:

    http://www.cuwcc.org/uploads/product/MaP-10th-Edition-07-08-21.pdf

    Mike Hennessy
    Pittsburgh, PA

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   flash28 | Mar 02, 2008 07:46am | #26

   All that info makes one's head spin--looks like good bathroom reading material.  I'm just not sure I'm bright enough to decipher it all.  I'll try. . .

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    1830shome | Feb 29, 2008 09:46pm | #24

    We read a lot of information, and decided on the Toto Ultramax.  It's amazing what getting the hydraulics right will do.  NO problems, fairly quiet, quick refill.  Never have to flush twice, even with a "full bowl".  Found a good deal on the Internet, though it still costs more than a cheap toilet, but one overflow would make a mess in our dining room downstairs.  I recommend it very strongly.

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   DanT | Mar 02, 2008 01:37pm | #27

   Gerber, power flush, gravity flush, elongated bowl, round bowl. Don't matter.  Less money than the "name brands" and in 8 years of installing I have never had a call about a problem flushing unit.  I have them in my house as do my staff after working with them.  DanT

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    peteshlagor | Mar 01, 2008 06:07am | #25

    Ummm, I wanna put this delicately so it won't end up in the Tavern.

    But for a man that's "comfortable with himself," an elongated bowl seems to be necessary.  I don't wanna be bouncing my equipment against the inside of some tiny rounded front toilet.

    Any man that doesn't want to "contaminate" his wife (gurlfriend, whatever) needs an elongated bowl.

    And from my fat momma's point of view, she can't clean up properly without one.

     

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    dogboy | Mar 02, 2008 02:55pm | #28

    I perform best on an elongated toilet best.

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