Getting mixed advice so I put it before the collective wisdom…
Was going to paint a small addition tomorrow. Preprimed cedar shakes, was going to use latex for faster drying. Supposed to be low 50’s during the day, but turning a bit colder for the rest of the week with rain tomorrow night… what say ye?
Thanks…
PaulB
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Sherwin Williams "Duration" paint is labeled as being suitable for 35 degree application.
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
Duration ROCKS!
It is expensive...$50 or so a gallon, but it covers very well, and the drying time is very short. In the end, I think it sacves me time, because the labor of applying two coats is removed, or serously cut back to just touch ups.
I use it for trim in a dark green color, and I try to make sure it is close to 50 when applying, but I don't worry if it's 48 at 4 PM when I rinish up because I know it will dry fine even if the temps drop.
In warmer temps I add Flotrol (Or whatever the latex version is called) to help smooth and increase drying times. You really have to think logically and move quickly to get good finishes in warm weather with it if you don't use the Flotrol additive, which they DO recommend.
It isn't available in gloss, even though it is called gloss...it is actually more of a semi gloss.
keep in mind I build and only paint when the painter fails to show up ...on this job, the painter is the client, and I am on a time an materials basis, so I paint pretty often, LOL, but it is not my specialty, so value my advice accordingly!
I'll see if I can find a pic...
Jake Gulick
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CarriageHouse Design
Black Rock, CT
I see you've had a lot of experience with the Duration. The only thing I did not like about the paint finish was that it brush marks were all over the place. I am talking about the 3D type brush strokes, the type that I previously only observed with cheap paint that wasnt formulated to "flow out." I was using it at about 48 degrees.
I might be using it again soon. Any ideas?
I'll shoot some close ups with good reflections to see if the brush strokes are the same.
My "technique" if you will is to hit the edge , the the main area and rather heavily, more heavily than I would normally, and I strive to brush back into the wet area.
In the warmer temps I added additives for flow out, but around 50 degrees I have been winging it. That said, I have been doing roof rafters and other low visibility areas in the recent cold, so brush strokes were the least of my problems! I'll shoot some tomorrow.Jake Gulick
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CarriageHouse Design
Black Rock, CT
I love the durability of Duration and its ability to be used in cooler temps, (ie Minnesota), but find it rather difficult to work with. The local Sherwin- Williams dealer did give any advice to improve flow characteristics or delaying drying time. Not an expert painter or pro, but not sure of the products you are refering too. Any additional info. thanks joel
I'll look more to see if I can find some close ups, and can always shoot some if you'd like to see gloss level or whatever...
Jake Gulick
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CarriageHouse Design
Black Rock, CT
Thanks Late... I appreciate it. I've heard great things about Duration, I'm most concerned about the fact that at least one painter has told me that it's just too late to paint this place and I'm setting myself up for a callback...
Use an oilbase product if your too worried.
blue
Nice looking work! Mike
Trust in God, but row away from the rocks.
You have to follow the manufacturer's recommendations. For a typical latex paint it must be above 50°F (the air, the surface, and the paint) during application and for 12 hours thereafter. If it is too cold the water will still evaporate from the paint, but the latex particles, which are held in emulsion in the paint, will not coalesce into a solid, durable film.
Most products today can be used down to 35 deg , 35 for 24 hours during and after application. I would not worry if you have that temp window. If not .....
Last year at this time I used the Sherwin Williams "Duration" for trim.
I bought it after posting almost the same question here that you have posted. I was applying in temperatures of about 50 degrees, and that was the afternoon high. I did not want to risk using paint labelled for 50 degrees when it would be getting a lot colder than than within a few hours.
I have noticed no problems in terms of the dried paint film and would trust it enough to do it again.
how small is small?
my painter regularily tents and heats exterior projects thru out the winter.
Jeff
Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
It's about 12x14 Jeff...
Speaking as somebody who used to paint professionally for a number of years, I'd say be careful with the temp. and especially with moisture. You only want to do the job once, not come back next summer and redo it again!
Because painting things right is so much time and work, I try to do things to maximize the life of the job--so I tend to be pretty conservative.
Take the 50 degree limit seriously with the latex. Oil can be more forgiving that way, but make darn sure the surface is totally dry before applying an oil (what sort of primer is on there anyhow?)
I have painted this late in the fall outside when necessary, but you usually only have a short window to do it in--you can't start too early in the day because of cool temps. and dew, and you want to quit well before things chill back down and the dew returns. It's almost impossible to do a north facing or shaded wall unless the air temp. really warms up. A low-humidity day with a breeze can help.
The ideal is if you get some morning sun on the surface to warm it up, then paint just as it starts to get shaded (it's not ideal to paint in direct sunlight).
It's definitely a judgement call and a little risky. Would it be out of the question to wait until spring? That would be the safe course.
Are you hiring the job out or doing it yourself?
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Thanks for the detailed advice, I've decided to tell the client we really oughta wait till Spring. Hopefully they'll be OK with that...
That's wise. . .and although your client may be disappointed to wait, the fact that you're making this recommendation to ensure they get a quality job that lasts should score major points with them.
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Knock on wood ;)