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   JohnSprung | Sep 02, 2003 09:26pm | #1

   A picture or drawing would help people here understand the problem better.  Will you have blocking in the balloon wall at the same height as the plates of the perpendicular wall?  You might spend some time at http://www.strongtie.com and see if anything there looks like it would be helpful.  Perhaps wrapping some of their long straps around the outside.....?  Depending on how the relationship is, you might even ask your city inspector.

   -- J.S.

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   CombatRescue | Sep 02, 2003 10:14pm | #2

   Thanks for the reply!

   I've attached a quick little schetch I just did to show you what I'm talking about.  Hopefully that will make more sense.

   I'm using quite a few stronge-tie connectors on this project  for wind-load purposes - I'll check their catalog to see if something might work well in this instance.

   The top plate for the gable end wall extends out because of a 2-ft roof overhang.  I'm using trusses for the roof, which will support the overhang between the two gable walls.  My main problem is how best to tie to the top plates from the intersecting walls thogether, or even if that is necessary in this instance.

   Thanks,

   Andy

   
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   woodguy99 | Sep 02, 2003 11:59pm | #3

   Andy, first build your gable wall, flat on the deck, the full width of the building. Make the outside corners solid or whatever energy-saving design appeals to you. Stand the gable walls up and brace them. Then build the eave walls, flat on the deck, to fit between the gable walls.

   At least that's how I would do it. Nice drawing, BTW.

   Edited 9/2/2003 5:13:52 PM ET by mike maines

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   Framer | Sep 03, 2003 03:03am | #5

   Andy,

   All you have to do is add three more studs to that corner in your drawing if it's a 2x4 wall. If it's a 2x6 wall then add 4 more studs.

   Are the top plates of your rake wall even with the top of your rafter trusses?

   I added a few things to your drawing.

   Joe Carola

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   CombatRescue | Sep 03, 2003 03:23am | #7

   Thanks to you and all for the comments.

   Yes, the top-plates of my rake walls will be even with the tops of the trusses.  Framing is 2X6.  I already have the two short walls up, and am working on the gable end walls now.  My sheathing is 1/2" plywood, which will tie the two walls pretty well together, but I was just wondering if it would be prudent to somehow tie the two top-plates together somehow.

   I did neglect to put my corner framing detail on my drawing.  Since I'm using 2X6 framing, I decided to go with modified 4-stud boxed corner.

   Thanks again to you and everyone else for speedy, informative answers to my question!

   Andy

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   RalphWicklund | Sep 03, 2003 05:21am | #8

   When I have a balloon frame gable under a truss, the gable truss is usually a drop truss (not germane to the question, but...). The truss is anchored to the top plate with the Simpson HGA10 with the SDS1/4x3 screws, which going through both top plates holds them both to the truss.

   The ends of the truss overhang the side walls and are anchored with strap ties. This arrangement ties the two walls together at the top. The side walls are the ones with the main portion of a standard built up corner and the added stud for the drywall return is part of the gable wall. This last stud is the one that ties the rest of the two walls together. To complete the tie-in the wall sheathing is nailed off as if it was a shearwall.

   Half inch all thread is on both sides of the corner, from the top plate to the foundation, as the uplift connector.

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   CombatRescue | Sep 03, 2003 03:06pm | #9

   Thanks for the advice everyone!  Your assistance has been very helpful!

   Andy

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   GoldenWreckedAngle | Sep 03, 2003 05:48pm | #10

   Here's another option that sets the gable wall top plate even with the bottom of the top chord on your end truss so sleepers can be added to create an overhang at the gable.Kevin Halliburton

   "I believe that architecture is a pragmatic art. To become art it must be built on a foundation of necessity."  - I.M. Pei -

   
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   Piffin | Sep 03, 2003 03:23am | #6

   I'd use nails in the studs and sheathing for tie together.

   You have top plates of gable running out over the standard wall. I would frame them with top of top plate/gable even with top of top plate/sidewall. The rafter fills above and the birdsmouth in it will add to your connectivity..

   Excellence is its own reward!

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   stossel1 | Sep 03, 2003 02:20am | #4

   In this case use your sheathing to tie your walls together. Start your layout for your side walls from the outside of your gable walls, that way you will have a 4' sheet of plywood tying them together.