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   calvin | Sep 15, 2021 08:10am | #1

   Right or wrong what?

   Outside of the large gaps at the bottom of the ties and the light placements and the outlet locations and how are you / they going to finish at the siding?

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   user-6583732 | Sep 15, 2021 08:40am | #2

   I appreciate the feedback.

   Not to game or anything ... but what I found wrong, first, is not what
   you noted, but I'll add it to my notes.

   There are 6 lights, because that is what was in the proposal,
   and being a noob, 3 on this side, three on that side.

   Projects viewed online have a 2"ish frame put around the ends of
   the ties along the ceiling. Does not look too bad, I checked out
   one in person.

   Supplemental questions - What is the product on
   the ceiling? (Style of wood/boards).

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   calvin | Sep 15, 2021 10:01am | #3

   We call it at the lumberyard here, barnsiding. The repeat v-groove on the other side is just at the board’s edge. Mixing the knotted boards a little bit better is a more pleasing look. If painted or stained, best at least prime or stain/varnish 1coat before install. This stuff moves.

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   user-6583732 | Sep 15, 2021 12:09pm | #4

   Two questoins then:

   First ...

   A good description, "barn siding".

   The nice long 16' boards should, in my limited homeowner opinion,
   be cut into sections to go around the ties. This would provide
   a nice continuous line, as the rest of the un-cut boards on the
   roof do.

   I think that as-is looks hideous. To me. So, I think that is
   not right.

   Is it wrong?

   (Can I live with it? is a question to me)

   I did *See* the first few boards go up in the daylight.
   I did see it 1/2 completed in the dark after work.
   I did point it out when I saw it.

   Second ...

   Later, after noticeing the "feature", I net-hunted around to find
   if ageing would even out all of the boards so this feature was
   less noticable. While looking at finishes, I thought about what
   a pain in the butt bead board is, and then realized I hate bead
   board ... bead is never mentioned in the contract. It states
   tongue and groove.

   Is this product typically called tongue and groove?

   What is the correct term. Would call the proper description of this
   ceiling, as is ceiling: Tongue and groove ?

   ...

   Should I care, will any of the above matter in a few weeks?

   ...

   I brought up the lights with Mrs and the electrician. Asked the
   question about the spacing, not asking anyone to move anything,
   but brought up the question ... In the center of the collar tie
   bays, are rafters, centered lights would be in or on those, or not
   on those. I don't have the solution or professional experience for
   the proper design. So this will stay.

   Seems the roof would be destroyed to put the tongue and groove side
   down ....

   No pre-finishing on the boards ... having this project done, so that
   was nowhere in the plan. It is a good idea, did not think of it.
   If I had thought to ask for the wood delivery early with an eye
   towards pre-finishing, I probably would have finished the side that
   should have been exposed though.

   Thanks for reading/commenting/feedback!

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   calvin | Sep 15, 2021 03:38pm | #6

   Collar ties are connected to the side of the rafter, so you should have been able to have centered each can in the middle of each collar tie “bay”.

   As far as the notch cuts on the bottom of the ties, they could have got that closer unless the cut was in the middle of the board or completely cut the board in half. (Which could still have been notched in the next pc put up.)

   In any of the decorative ceilings I’ve done that was to be stained I tried to match up grain, knots etc to make it look like the same board when done. With shorter stock than your overall run, not too easy. Impossible? You often do get what you paid for.

   Florida is right in calling it v-groove siding. And tongue and groove has to do with the edges. Tongue slips into groove. Helps seal and align the boards.

   As far as finishing the boards…..
   Finishing when up would be a lot like drinking a beer laying down.

   With no finish, each board could color differently. Usually, dark gets darker and light gets darker. However those couple scabbed in boards on the left in the first pic, they’re going to probably show up darker as much or more than the others. So you’ll see them as they are standing out now.

   I’m going to get a pic on here of a job. No collar ties as we used a ridge beam to eliminate the spreading of the walls.

   No collar ties. Pine lap siding we had milled. Walls the same material only clear pine. All prestained before install. The darkening of the knots on the ceiling is caused by the heat of the roof. If it had been sheeted on the underside of the rafters, though insulated, it might not have happened. However with forewarning they like how that turned out. Even had paint been used, I’m sure there’d have been some darkening of the knots.

   It’s pine, too much heat and they might even bleed sap.

   What I like most of how it turned out. No trim to cover gaps.

   
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   florida | Sep 15, 2021 03:04pm | #5

   It's a sloppy install around the collar ties but if you're going to use 1 X 2" around the edge the collar ties could be trimmed with a 1 X 6" with a notch. We call it T & G V groove around here. It looks like # 2 pine to me.