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Trim and treat door bottom

kevreh | Posted in Construction Techniques on November 9, 2005 07:31am

Howdy….

I need to trim the bottom edge of my wood front entry door. I put a new threshold in and now the fits too tight. Couple questions…. when I plane the bottom should it be at an angle? I was thinking that if there was a slight angle (where the outside is shorter than the inside) it would be easier/smoother to open and close while maintaining a tight seal.

Also, should the newly trimmed door bottom just be treated, or should I use some type of weather strip? The threashold has a rubber strip, but I’m wondering if its bad to leave the wood exposed, even if sealed.

Thanks,
Kevin

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  1. AndyEngel | Nov 09, 2005 08:11pm | #1

    I like to angle door bottoms, although I like even better to have the weatherstrip on the door than on the sill. Resource Conservation Technologies in Baltimore offers a number of options.

    Always, always, always seal door bottoms. I mix up some 20 minute epoxy, thin it with alcohol, and paint it on with a foam brush.

    Andy Engel

    Senior editor, Fine Woodworking magazine

    Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Other people can talk about how to expand the destiny of mankind. I just want to talk about how to fix a motorcycle. I think that what I have to say has more lasting value. --Robert M. Pirsig

    None of this matters in geological time.

    1. kevreh | Nov 09, 2005 09:33pm | #2

      Good tip with the epoxy... would have never thought of that. Guess it makes sense that its more weatherproof than a coat or two of poly.I checked out "Resource Conservation Technologies", unfortunatly they don't have much of a web presence. Too bad since they have tons of ads in Fine Homebuilding.Kind of a dumb follow up question.... but are there any tricks of the trade to get the right door length when factoring the weather strip, since its flexible?Kevin

      1. jrnbj | Nov 10, 2005 06:14am | #3

        the sills with adjustible wood strip insert, combined with the weatherstrip on the door bottom
        make for an easier/better setup...maybe next time....

      2. AndyEngel | Nov 10, 2005 04:40pm | #7

        Resource Conservation has a lousy web site. That's my only criticism of the company. Call them up and they'll send a wonderful catalog. Their mail order service is outstanding. They offer door bottoms and weatherstrip in more configurations than Carter has liver pills.Andy Engel

        Senior editor, Fine Woodworking magazine

        Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.

        Other people can talk about how to expand the destiny of mankind. I just want to talk about how to fix a motorcycle. I think that what I have to say has more lasting value. --Robert M. Pirsig

        None of this matters in geological time.

        1. kevreh | Nov 10, 2005 05:20pm | #8

          I'll give 'em a call.... I'm intrigued by their products.Thanks again...

        2. caseyr | Nov 16, 2005 09:45am | #14

          Uhh, Andy, I think that Carter doesn't have any liver pills any more.  Something about the government clamping down on his advertising because his pills really had nothing to do with the liver...  Had to change the name to just "Carter's Little Pills" which didn't have a cachet of the liver pills and then just faded away except for some of us geezers who still remember when they were advertised heavily. 

          By the way, talking of medically related advertising of the 50's or so, what ever happened to Peter Pain???

          Regarding the thinning of epoxy, you might find the rather thorough discussion of thinning on the West System website to be of interest:

          http://www.westsystem.com/ewmag/14/ThinningEpoxy.html

          Edited 11/16/2005 1:50 am ET by CaseyR

          1. kate | Nov 17, 2005 02:46am | #16

            "-whatever happenen to Peter Pain?"

            He took up residence in my neck & right shoulder...

    2. RW | Nov 10, 2005 06:33am | #4

      Thats a new one on me. Alcohol thins epoxy? I've used epoxy reducer before, which, don't ask whats in it, it smelled like pretty hot stuff - more like acetone or MEK, but I don't know. Or is it a certain brand that alcohol will thin?"If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man." - Mark Twain

      1. AndyEngel | Nov 10, 2005 04:38pm | #6

        Alcohol thins epoxy before it sets. Once set, alcohol merely washes the surface. Its advantage is its short flash time - The alcohol is long evaporated before the epoxy sets.

        No particular alcohol. I've even used rubbing alcohol. It's always a good idea to use relatively fresh alcohol though, as the stuff absorbs water from the air. Sufficient water in the epoxy might interfere with the set. I doubt the brand of epoxy matters either. It's all pretty much the same chemically.

        Andy Engel

        Senior editor, Fine Woodworking magazine

        Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.

        Other people can talk about how to expand the destiny of mankind. I just want to talk about how to fix a motorcycle. I think that what I have to say has more lasting value. --Robert M. Pirsig

        None of this matters in geological time.

        Edited 11/10/2005 8:41 am ET by AndyEngel

    3. mike4244 | Nov 10, 2005 11:22pm | #10

      Andy,thin the epoxy with naptha.I don't think you can use alcohol for epoxy. You have a good idea though. I use shellac,dries fast  and is a good sealer.

      mike

      1. AndyEngel | Nov 10, 2005 11:42pm | #11

        Naptha would work too, but I know that epoxy can be thinned with alcohol. I've done it.Andy Engel

        Senior editor, Fine Woodworking magazine

        Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.

        Other people can talk about how to expand the destiny of mankind. I just want to talk about how to fix a motorcycle. I think that what I have to say has more lasting value. --Robert M. Pirsig

        None of this matters in geological time.

      2. Dave54 | Nov 22, 2005 03:54pm | #18

        Alcohol works as a thinner in very small amounts. I've built a couple of stitch and glue boats and it an accepted technique for thinning.  It's also good for cleanup of uncured resin along with acetone and distilled white vinegar.

        Dave 

  2. piko | Nov 10, 2005 09:17am | #5

    Certainly seal the cut edge. Common practise around here is to cut more than you need off the bottom, then use a box sweep. This is adjustable to sit on the threshold. If you are in an exposed area it helps as it has a little drip edge too.

    All the best...

    To those who know - this may be obvious. To those who don't - I hope I've helped.

     

    1. kevreh | Nov 10, 2005 05:24pm | #9

      Box sweep doesn't look too hackish on a good quality wood door? Would the sweep be in addition to a seal on the door bottom?Kevin

      1. piko | Nov 11, 2005 06:55am | #12

        Box sweeps look like heck! Didn't know terms of reference here.... Go for the type that screw into the bottom of the door instead. Don't go for that dreadful sort that mounts on top of the threshold - the rubber breaks with wear, and you'll tend to trip on it.All the best...

        To those who know - this may be obvious. To those who don't - I hope I've helped.

         

      2. User avater
        jonblakemore | Nov 22, 2005 07:54pm | #19

        I think box sweeps can be very nice if you get a good one.I've had good luck with Pemko products
        http://www.pemko.com/Since there is no local retailer handy for me I typically purchase from http://www.chown.com/ 

        Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA

  3. durabond5 | Nov 16, 2005 06:07am | #13

    Rout a groove in bottom edge and install an automatic door bottom. It will be out-of-sight. Use with adjustable sill threshold.

    1. atrident | Nov 16, 2005 08:55pm | #15

      I am looking for an automatic door bottom. One that drops down when the door closes. The homeowner doesnt want a threshold at the door into the garage and has a door mat inside that precludes using a sweep type seal. Can someone point me in the right direction?

      Keith

      1. caseyr | Nov 22, 2005 09:02am | #17

        Are you talking about something like this which has a side plunger that forces down a spring loaded seal when the door is closed?

        http://www.acousticalsolutions.com/products/door_seals/door_bottoms.asp

        http://www.acousticalsolutions.com/products/pdfs/data_door_bottoms.pdf

         

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