Anyone got any pics or detail drawings of upgraded paint grade trim on interior cased openings? Attached is a pic to give you a general idea of what I’m talking about, only I want to do “one up” from what is in the pic. I don’t want to get all crazy with a 12 piece buildup. There are 5 COs (both sides) and there is a budget… The idea is to do a “Georgian style” trim, whatever that is… 🙂 The casing that will be used on the doors will be 3 1/2″ http://www.americanwoodmoulding.com/catalogs/sacramento3.pdf
and they will have plinth blocks applied, so both of these elements will likely be included on the cased openings.
In the pic, the plinth blocks are wrapped around the inside of the opening. This seems a bit unusual – or is it?
Really though, I guess the pediment is the main thing…
Thanks
Edited 10/21/2005 8:38 am ET by Matt
Edited 10/21/2005 6:14 pm ET by Matt
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Matt
I couldn't find the casing that you are talking about.
I like the picture that you attached. The plinth detail is unique, and I like it, BUT, I don't know if I would use it. What do you do where there is a door hung? I don't care for two different ways to handle an opening so........
Here is a similar detail that I did, not much diff then your pic just different profiles. No plinths though.
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Click on this, I tried to post a picture but somehow when I moved the pic to "my pictures" and then resize they came out in bit form and were huge. Anyhow you can see the trim on this link.
Doug
I guess the pic showed up but its big. Someone tell me what I'm doing wrong!
Edited 10/21/2005 7:34 pm ET by DougU
Thanks Doug. The pic worked fine although a little slow to load. Re your cased opening, yea, it is pretty similar. What is the profile that is right on the top edge of the "door hole"? some kind of nosing or what? I like the look but want something a little "heavier" but not too ornate.
RE your other thread, I especially like your fireplace mantle. Unique, very nicely built, but not over done. Also that wainscoting is really nice. I'd have to charge a customer probably $100 per square for that...
Re my project and treating openings differently, the idea is to do the formal areas (living room, dining room & foyer) in an upgraded style. I don't think I'll have the trim carps wrap the plinth blocks around the openings. The plinth blocks will be everywhere except inside the closets.
Matt
I'm attaching a drawing of the profiles for that picture.
That head piece is now being sold at the HD's here in Austin as casing. Don't know if its available in other areas.
I think Dennis(the guy that I did the work for) did a good job of mating up these profiles. I think they work good together.
Dennis did that wainscoting, for a rank amateur I think he did a damn good job. I was going to do it but ran out of time( Did the job in IA but live in TX). I think I was going to bid it somewhere around $1200 give or take a C note. That is just time, I think I could have done it in 20 - 24 hours.
Doug:
From your drawing it looks like the piece you used as head casing is the RB3 I referred to in my first post. Is it 3.5" wide? Here is the link again: http://www.americanwoodmoulding.com/catalogs/sacramento3.pdf It is the last piece of casing shown (excluding the fluted casing).
I wish ACC ED (I think that was his name) from Dallas were still here. He was THE MAN when it came to high end trim (although I consider what I'm doing more as md-grade) he would have a number of ideas...
Matt
From your drawing it looks like the piece you used as head casing is the RB3 I referred to in my first post. Is it 3.5" wide? Here is the link again
Yes, that it exactly.
The guy that you're talking about ACC ED used the name Dallas in his name. I cant think of it right off hand but I see his stuff pictured on Gary Katz web site. http://forums.jlconline.com/photos/displayimage.php?album=15&pos=2
Click on this link, takes you to some of GCCdallas' work, maybe you can contact him through that place. I dont think I've seen him in here since the elections. Or at least since the big changeover!
Doug
Edited 10/22/2005 10:37 am ET by DougU
OK, does anyone know of any good books or web sites showing interior trim buildups? I've seen he Windsor One web site, but need something more extensive. I went to 2 book stores yesterday and found nothing but basic stuff that was more geared to home owners. Books like Decorating With Architectural Trim and Trim Ideas looked promising, but again were too basic. I found one called Federal Trim Patterns (or something similar) on the internet, but no way I'd pay $70 without first looking at the book, and maybe wouldn't pay $70 anyway.
One of my co-workers who has been a super for 20 years told me about a molding catalog from "Smooth Lumber" but I could find nothing on the internet. I think he may have mispronounced it though as he is not english-first-language.
http://www.mccoymillwork.com/pdf/mccoyWhole.pdf
There are some ideas in this one.
http://www.sfvictoriana.com/details/details.htm
Few more in here
http://www.whitebrothersmill.com/ecommerce/os/catalog/index.php
more here
Matt
These are a few that have some mock up ideas. You have to browse around in some to find the build ups.
I have about a dozen sites that just have milwork but not any examples of builtup work.
Doug
Thanks again Doug. I've spent several hours googeling. You seem to be better at than I. Or maybe you already had the links... The one with the Victorian stuff is particularly good - although I'm not doing Victorian. One thing that annoys me is the way people unknowingly mix all kinds of styles - to the point where there is no style... I think it comes from people just picking a whole bunch of stuff that they like rather than carefully thinking through a scheme or theme. That is what I'm going thorough with the one particular house that I'm building. It seems that the client has money to spend but not the time to think about it beyond what kind of range he wants and other decorating type items. I mean, what do you want? Wainscoting or eggshell paint? He started out wanting a craftsman style house, but then due to a non-historically minded house designer (I'm guessing), problems with the city's historic review committee, and mainly budget constraints, the craftsman got nixed from the exterior. He still wanted the craftsman interior in spite of the fact that the exterior had evolved to something entirely different until confronted with the maybe $2.5k in uncharges to individual case every door (as opposed to ordering pre-cased doors). Now we are at the stage where he wants the precased doors (mitered tops), but the bone I have thrown him is that I've suggested an upgraded trim package in the formal areas of the home - budget constraints still in mind.
I have somewhat elaborate Victorian trim with transoms on my doors, and one caution I can make is to make sure you have sufficient space between the very end of whatever head casing treatment you use and the corner. Several of my doors are slammed into corners with the trim cut-off. Looks bad. I can't figure out why in some cases, unless maybe the closet got added later.Personally, I like to see a good 6" or so of the wall between the casing and the corner.
I agree with Bryan. It is my house that DougU showed the pictures of. I decided to add the pediments after we framed and so there were a number of places where they had to be chopped off on the sides to fit. The other thing to be aware of is if you have another door opening on the adjoining wall. I have a couple spots where the pediments butt into each other in the corner.
Regards,
Dennis
Dennis
No wonder those damn John Deere tractors cost so much, your screwing around on the net while you should be doing something constructive!
Doug
...and that is why that kitchen you are going to do costs $125 grand. You added 'Breaktime' time into the bid. Get back to work!
Plus I don't appreciate your referring to me as a 'rank amateur' above. I am OK with the amateur part but I showered almost every day when you were doing our job so if anyone was 'rank' it was Jose. :)
Talk to you later this week...
Dennis
Hey Matt, I like that wrap around plinth, actually looks like a dor isn't planned to go there<G>While I'm not overly familiar with Georgian interior style (though I see it was all the rage in the South at one time), some of the exteriors I've done had some dentil work involved, usually under crown type moulding. I've also seen a fair amount of fluted and/or beaded work. Apparently, some Georgian and Federal are similar, so you might google Federal.I've used backbands with pediments. Head just has to be proud in some way of the legs. It can look really nice. There's also a lot of bed moulds that can be used instead of crown. Beauty mould or neck moulds can also make a nice bump at the base of the pediment.Is this for one of those houses in Oakmont? Where's the house in the pic?I'll if I can dig up some photos for ya. "what's in a name?" d'oh!
Thanks for the response. OK - now I'm gonna have to figure out what "Beauty mould or neck mould" is... Today my Stock BS sales rep is coming out to site to help me with the trim takeoff - since it's so convoluted. First time for that... Trim guy wants to do the COs "on the fly" and have me go get the stuff when we make up our minds on what is gonna be done (ME, HO, and Trimmer). I want to be a little more proactive than that, trim guy is a bit conservative, and HO doesn't know what he wants.
Yes the house in in Oakwood. Look at this posting for the pic :-)
I've done some studying... Federal is a subset of Georgian, at the later end of Georgian. Maybe 1776 - 1820. From the exterior, that is the best I can place this house. Like I said, the customer just didn't have a grand plan - or at least didn't follow through with it.
Any pics would be great.
Edit: almost forgot: here is the post that has the pic of the house in it. They are drywalling today: http://forums.taunton.com/tp-breaktime/messages?msg=63152.44
Edited 10/25/2005 8:18 am ET by Matt
Ha. Neck mould is sometimes used on columns, pilasters, and/or pediments. Lot of different profiles, and, it usually stands alone.Beauty mould is used over here for making fake panels on sheetrocked walls, or running several inches below crown (wall between gets painted a different color than lower wall, gives crown more depth?).Is that the same house you did the dormer on? I think it's nice. I like color, on other people's houses<G> We're more into mold over here LOLSo how do you like Stock? Haven't been since they took over Carolina Builders in Durham and discontinued Senco parts and nails. Good materials? "what's in a name?" d'oh!
Are you committed to the crowned style, in which the headpiece sits atop the two side pilasters as if they are columns?
Because if not, a mitered head arrangement would give you a whole lotta room to explore the use of things like backbanding.
Those cased openings looked rather basic to me, just crowned pediments sitting atop plain flat-cased sides, sitting on plain box plinths.
I'm not committed to anything, but have to get agreement from the customer. He already said "I trust your judgment" but I'll still get his buyoff. He does want the plinth blocks though.
>> Those cased openings looked rather basic to me, just crowned pediments sitting atop plain flat-cased sides << My sediments exactly...
Re backbanding, actually I had thought of adding backband to the side casing, but if you have other ideas regarding the headcasing please reveal ;-)
Edited 10/22/2005 6:53 am ET by Matt
What your attached picture showed is about as ornate as it gets in our region, with increased size and boldness the typical recipe for more formal areas.
Having said that, the addition of a moderate cove (5/16"r or 3/8"r) on the edges of the pictured smooth casing starting and stopping 3" or so from the top and bottom would help add a little something (slightly more at bottom/less at top?). Flutes often seem to be over done so we avoid them until casings get wider than 4-1/2" or so, relying mostly on coves.
Curved top openings can often add to the wow factor but are budget busters.
Best of luck, Don