My GF just bought a new Win XP Home Edition computor.
During the initial windows setup, she went to Accessability and changed the font size to “Larger” and the display inverted.
That is to say that, if she turned the monitor upside down, the screen display would be right side up!
Inverted the mouse actions too, so the mouse works right only if the monitor is inverted.
She is returning the computor, so I am just wondering , HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE???
TIA,
SamT
“You will do me the justice to remember that I have always strenuously supported the right of every man to his opinion, however different that opinion may be to mine. He who denies to another this right, makes a slave of himself to his present opinion, because he precludes himself the right of changing it.” Thomas Paine
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Change the font back to "smaller". Have seen systems where you could flip or mirror the display to use with rear-projection screens, but didn't think you could just do that with a regular monitor driver.
Bob, thanks for your reply.
tried that and a bunch other things too.
Didn't work.
SamT
The XP series has some really wierd Vodeo driver soft ware.
I guess you haven't got to the screen shift to the far left or farther right. Or it resetting it's self to to 8 bit color and 640x400.
If you want the XP series go with the PRO and not the Home. You stand a better chance of getting what you want...
Who ever invented work didn't know how to fish....
>If you want the XP series go with the PRO and not the Home. You stand a better chance of getting what you want...
FWIW, I've been running XP Home since it came out and have found it to be the first stable MS product I have ever used.
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Albert Einstein said it best:
“Problems,” he said, “cannot be solved at the same level of consciousness that created them.”
Your mileage may vary ....
Then you probably haven't run 2000pro.
Friends and neighbors have the XP. Same software - different brands of computers. Listening to their gripes is an education. It's hit or miss. Who needs that?
Who ever invented work didn't know how to fish....
Then you probably haven't run 2000pro.
Friends and neighbors have the XP. Same software - different brands of computers. Listening to their gripes is an education. It's hit or miss. Who needs that?
I'll (keep on) knockin' on wood
Isn't that the case with all MS software {G}
Now that my season is moving into slower times, I've giving serious consideration to building a Linux box.
90% of my work is done in WordPerfect, there are a number of people around the world reporting excellent results running WP under one of the Win emulators
There are good native Linux apps for all of my other needs - ah the dream:
"Free at last, Free at last, Thank Linux almighty, we are free at last!"
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Albert Einstein said it best:
“Problems,” he said, “cannot be solved at the same level of consciousness that created them.”
Your mileage may vary ....
Lemme know when you do, I converted my Linux box to MS for my GF's daughter and will want to make another Linux soon.
Maybe we can collaborate and commisserate together on this.
SamT
If you do build the Linux box, please start a new thread here and tell us all about it. I'd be very interested if there's an assembler for it. I used to write assembly code in the DOS days, but there was no way to do that with windows without going through C or C++.
-- J.S.
Bob
Boy, are you lucky.
I'm thinking of going back to '98.
I never saw a program work this bad except WIndows ME (which just plain didn't work.)
Jeff
I'm thinking of going back to '98.
I never left, and I'm staying that way kicking and screaming. I've worked with XP, 2000, and NT (at work)--just another reason to stay with 98 (or go to a good software . . . )Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
Cap
Let me tell you, I tried my best to straighten things out.
The Windows ME kept giving me the Blue Screen of Death. Thinking I picked up a virus, I did all the usual.
Updates, reformatting, everything, I couldn't fix it.
Finally broke down and bought an update to Windows XP.
Couldn't get it to install.
Finally hired a computer expert to fix things and update, etc.
$250.00 later, things work.
Next time, I'll just chuck the whole thing.
He set up the HP Desktop to work the same as my wife's Dell Laptop.
Both are new and should have worked right from the factory.
After working with the XP on both computers now for 4 months, I can honestly say that I hate Microsoft and their programs.
I'd had less problems with my old Apple II.
I still can't get my new computers to do all the things that were do easy with my older one.
And the problems are not the computer, but the "NEW" software. Lousy, lousy, lousy!!!
Oh well. enough ranting.
Jeff
I still can't get my new computers to do all the things that were do easy with my older one.
And the problems are not the computer, but the "NEW" software. Lousy, lousy, lousy!!!
Oh well. enough ranting.
Ah, but ranting is good for a body . . .
"Modern" software is designed around the bloated hard drives & RAM we all take for granted now. When I got my secondhand Compaq laptop, I was worried a while that it only had 3GB of hard drive. Worried. Then, I remembered that I used to get dual boot machines with only 1.2GB on two disks . . .
One big deal that doesn't get much press is that 2000 & XP, as they both use the NT Kernel, also use the "first" 31.6 MB of your RAM. They also still write to the dread "Windows Swap File" as if they were Assembler or Cobol programs needing semi-fixed RAM memory assignments. Free help: Create a partition on the (a) hard drive. Make it 1.5x RAM, and round up to the nearest 5MB or so. Then, track down the Properties for Memory, Swap File location, and move that swap file to that partition. Windows can then expand & contract the swap file to its heart's content, all without fragmenting the rest of the hard drive. Also, with IE, while the browser is open, go to Tools, Internet Options, and hit that Delete Temporary Files button. Your poor computer has all of the graphics, animated icons, and the tex & location of every web page you have visitied in there, using your space, fragmenting your hard drive.
Even ordinary software (like most things with an "office" label) no longer run as efficiently as they once did. Files are scattered everywhere; brute force is used instead of finesse, that sort of thing. I swear, a cetain Washington state company usues only kindergardeners and knidergarten teachers for alpha testing . . . anything too confusing to either group is removed or worked over.
But, I too, rant.Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
PROBLEM SOLVED
Operator error.
There is a setting somewhere in "Screen Properties" that allows one to rotate the screen for use with flat screen displays.
When the GF took the box back to Office Depot, the store manager called a tech from the back room.
He set the machine up in the store and reset the diplay for JET, and showed her what to do.
She has been downloading boucou megabytes of updates all day at 28.8 modem speed.
SamT
Imerc, thanks for the suggestions.
Screen is centered, minimum resolution is 800x600, color depth is 32M, monitor is generic and can't be changed with 'screen properties/advanced/monitor' either.
Tried to upgrade monitor/video? driver and XP errored out.
Am getting replacement box and will try to convince her to upgrade to Pro, since I've got it, and there is no OS CD for Home with the box.
Looks like when MS rewrote Linux they didn't do too good a job.
SamT
MS has nothing to do with Linux, just so you know - it's the Mac OS that's related to Linux (both are Unix offshoots). MS is quite anti-Linux.
didBlah, yada, whatever, Hi how are you today
did,
Do you remember the first of the large-screen monitors you could attach to a MacPlus...can't remember the name. It was full-page size. And if you turned the physical monitor landscape or portrait, the software would sense it and adjust the screen to that view! Pretty cool, especially for its time...'86 or so. Just thought of it...Radius.
I don't know, but, Ive been told. . . Ms wrote the all new code for XP and based the architecture on Unix's architecture . . . Finally moving away from DOS.
SamT
XP does move away from DOS, but it's based on Windows NT, which has been quite common in corporate settings for a long time (and is way, way better than Win 95/98/ME). XP is the first home-user OS from Microsoft that doesn't trace its roots to DOS. Had they re-written it based on Unix (which MS does not support - I don't think they offer any Unix or Linux products except for the software they write for the Mac), they would have massive compatibility issues with their installed base. It also would have cut back on their vulnerability to viruses and other malicious attacks, which is clearly not the case.
Win 2000 is the best OS to come out of MS - good features, minimal baggage, stability as good as XP.
didBlah, yada, whatever, Hi how are you today
OK, thanks,
SamT
1) MACs are for weenies. Real men use PCs. Builds character. Puts hair on your chest.
2) NO Microsoft software is "based" on Unix. They use Windows in-house. Development groups are forced to use what they write. I.e; the XP development group must use XP for their systems. I pity them.
3) Roughly 65% of Windows code retains heritage back to Windows 3.1 and DOS. What you see on screen is just a thin veneer resting on a foundation of garbage. Very much like resting the bottom of your ladder on pile of frozen manure in the sun. Sooner or later you'll be sorry.
4) XP is a useless pile of junk. More complex and less useful. Windows 2000 is fairly decent. Better than the previous ones, not as bad as XP. I have several Win 2000 systems up and running. Stays running for weeks or months without crashes. Autocad, networking, publishing software, spreadsheets. Runs fine.
5) When it works, it works. When it don't, it don't. Unlike something simple like building a house, when you got a problem you may as well kiss your a** goodbye 'cause you ain't ever going to get it fixed. Why people don't have a riot with pitchforks and sledgehammers and burning torches in front of Microsoft totally escapes me.
On this GP computer I use 2000PRO.
On the work computer I use Linux 8.0 SuSE.
On the help computer there is COBALT, 3.11, 98 and XP. Won't touch ME or 95.
Did you know that MS uses Linux as their OS? That's how much faith they have in their own systems.
Which make / brand of 'puter did your G/F get? That may be the other side of the coin. Suspect the video driver too.
Who ever invented work didn't know how to fish....
AN HP 1.8 Ghz 2001 version .
One of the things I do/did for extra cash is/was strip AOL from boxes' HD and Registry. $25.00.
Hate AOL
Hate AOL
Hate AOL
SamT
Seems as though you like AOL better than I do..
HP builds some pretty good stuff. (Now I'm sure we'll hear from the othe side of the fench) AMD or Pentium. IMO the AMD is the better bet. Faster and more reliable than the Pentium even if the Pentium is rated at a faster speed. It's all in the way the processor processes.
MS is the weak link. Change out everything and start over.
To many ifs, ands or buts (would that be butts instead)
Who ever invented work didn't know how to fish....
HP builds some pretty good stuff
FWIW, I went through HP support h*ll a couple of years ago when I bought an HP box with WinME.
Of cxourse, the problem was WinME, but they wouldn't admit it - I burned mega hours long distance with them. I finally got them to upgrade me to XP and I've had good luck with it.
I have an antique HP4 laser printer still churning out the pages; I haven't had much luck with HP inkjets.
HP is pretty low on my list.
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Albert Einstein said it best:
“Problems,” he said, “cannot be solved at the same level of consciousness that created them.”
Your mileage may vary ....
I just knew somebody would be on the other side of the fence.
BTW... That's your list not mine.
Who ever invented work didn't know how to fish....
Yep - one of the neat things about these forums is you get to see all sorts of experiences, as you notedf.
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Albert Einstein said it best:
“Problems,” he said, “cannot be solved at the same level of consciousness that created them.”
Your mileage may vary ....
Here's my solution, buy a MAC!!!
I know they are more expensive (less so now these days) but I never have the problems that my father-in-law has with his Dell. Plus, when the huge mega worms or viruses roll out, they are rarely ever aimed at the mac.
Lisa
She's got 2 Macs and a Mac geek for a friend. I've got countless PCs and she wants a PC. . . Her daughter grew up on Macs and she pestered me into giving her a PC too.
Thanks... for nothing :>)
SamT
XP has something called "device rollback" or 'system restore". If any changes were made to device drivers or system settings, it allows you to rollback to a previous version.
Not sure if it will help in your case, but...
I think it's under "DEVICE MANAGER", then click on the tab for MONITOR and see what's there.
Before making changes you may want to save your current settings or create an UNDO file.
Before doing any of this, look at your systems HELP or TROUBLESHOOTING GUIDE, it will give you better and more accurate info than I'm able to.
DO you have the monitor driver disc that came with the system? If nothing else works you could try reinstalling the drivers.
Got NO disks with the bare box except AOL and MS Works.
Thanks,
SamT
Do yourself a favor and rip AOL by the roots. IMHO it opens the door to all kinds af spyware.
Who ever invented work didn't know how to fish....
they accidentally shipped you a model for the australian market...
m
I knew it was a dealers error!!!!!
SamT
"Got NO disks with the bare box except AOL and MS Works."
Well, those can be useful in some craft projects. Make Christmas tree ornaments out of them.
Rich Beckman
Always put resources to their highest use.
Christmas tree ornaments? Nah, we use 'em for deer deterents around the garden.
SamT
How about using all these junk mail CD's for skeet targets?
Edited 10/29/2003 7:46:13 PM ET by SteveL
It might be a waste of perfectly good ammo.
I think some of the early AOL disks are considered collectibles - although not exactly high dollar collectibles...
If I remember correctly, when Microsoft set out to create NT, they hired a bunch of guys who were experts in UNIX for the design team, so while NT is not based on UNIX, it did incorporate a number of UNIXlike features. However, it has been several years since I skimmed the book on the birth of NT, so I don't remember too many of the details...
Congrats on the fix... As we used to say in the support game, most of the problems are between the keyboard and the chair...
Edited 11/3/2003 11:17:50 PM ET by CaseyR
junk mail CD's for skeet targets
Stupid things won't fly right; and worse, still, don't break for &%^(, either.
Saw kerf in a 2x holds them up nicely, though (make sure it's ok to leave an ugly mess, though--or clean up after yourself).Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
Hey Mongo, thanks.
I have ZIP experience with XP, so any tips are appreciated.
SamT
Sam,
First, I have no idea how that happened. All I can think of is a conflict with the video card, the monitor, or the drivers.
The fact that your monitor is "generic" and can't be changed is a clue. It is possible they simply do not have a driver for your monitor, and therefore the option is closed.
My gut tells me that you would be better off throwing out the xp, and going with 2000 pro. If you want to stay with xp, then pay the extra bucks and get the xp pro. (The xp pro was to be my own next os. This has made me wonder...)
If you decide to return the computer and exchange it for another... Take your monitor in there with you. Tell them to set the whole system up, WITH your own monitor. When it is working, then you can take it home.
Get the 2000 pro at that time, as well.
This sounds like a hassle, and it is. But it is a lot less hassle, stress, anger, etc... than a continued wrassling match with the computer builder, or with any tech service. Just take it in, take your monitor, tell them you want 2000 pro, tell them to set it all up with your own monitor, and then take it home only after you can see it working.
XP is not linux rewritten. diddidit has the real skinny on that one. XP is the next step in the NT-Doze hybrid that M$ has been working toward ever since the beginning of win 98. (Or was it 95 ?) It is based on nt, not dos. To be honest, sometimes I wonder just how different nt is from linux anyway. IMO it is an MS windows version of linux. Was intended to be that from the start. But who can say, except ol billy ?
; )
I'm not sure, but I don't think you need any disks, to do the device rollback. I am still on 98SE, so I don't have this option. But I have suggested it to others before, who did have the option, and I don't remember anyone ever saying anything about disks.
Give Mongo's suggestion a try. "device rollback" or 'system restore".
On the subject... If you are not getting an os disk, you should reconsider who it is that is selling you the computer. I know there are builders out there who are sold a stack of license certificates by ms. Then they install the os, and send the computer out with just what is on the hard drive, and the license cert. Perfectly legal. But if they are cutting back there, to save money, then what else are they cutting back on ? I would insist on a disk, regardless.
HP = Great printers. Crap computers.
Can't we all just get a log ? - Paul Bunyon
Quittin' Time
Sam
XP has a System restore function . Go there and set it to the date prior to your problems.
regards
Mark
quittintime
Luka
Office Depot $400 special.
The problems all happened at second boot. First boot was to complete setting up XP.
There are no previous dates in the computor.
I'm with Luka, I think that it is a conlfict with the video drivers and the onboard video hardware. Somewhere there is a "LIFO/FIFO" conflict. Or vice versa.
Right now, as I type, she is setting up her new new box at her office.
SamT