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   Hubedube | Jul 17, 2004 08:04pm | #1

   Hi bean, Just curious as to what difference in the weather or climate be in the "south east" that would be different from Central Ontario, Canada.?  We have 4 seasons, including plenty of rain in the Spring , and lots of snow in the Winter.  The same goes for most of the rest of Canada... We have never heard of any problems what-so-ever with Vinyl siding if installed properly.  Are you suggesting that ants and termites are "drawn" to it for some reason? They certainly don't eat it, like some wood sidings are. Hube

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   superwork | Jul 18, 2004 04:09pm | #12

   I don't think I asked you about the weather. But  I can see your anal about it . Oh yea and being from canada. Get a life . move on.

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   Hubedube | Jul 18, 2004 04:41pm | #15

    Hey, Beaned (on the head?)  Being from Canada, I at least know how to spell VINYL correctly.  Hope this will help you.  Hube

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   superwork | Jul 18, 2004 07:17pm | #16

   Hey Hube. You win the spelling bee. Why don't you and buckboy get a room.

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   IMERC | Jul 18, 2004 07:41pm | #17

   Both of ya... It's vynal....

   Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming....                                                                   WOW!!!   What a Ride!

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   Hubedube | Jul 18, 2004 08:08pm | #18

   vynal???? whats this ,the joke of the day. ha, no, its VINYL, sorry.

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   IMERC | Jul 18, 2004 08:41pm | #19

   It can be... and nope, it's vynal......

   Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming....                                                                   WOW!!!   What a Ride!

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   Hubedube | Jul 18, 2004 09:36pm | #20

   got a dictionary, look it up. Its under V

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   rez | Jul 18, 2004 09:49pm | #21

   no it's vie-now

   "sobriety is the root cause of dementia.",     rez,2004

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   Edited 7/18/2004 3:08 pm ET by rez

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   IMERC | Jul 18, 2004 10:33pm | #22

   I can go with that....

   Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming....                                                                   WOW!!!   What a Ride!

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   WorkshopJon | Jul 17, 2004 08:05pm | #2

   Bean,

   What about aluminum and steel? They are similar in form, and have been around for twice that time.

   Jon

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   maverick | Jul 17, 2004 08:37pm | #3

   I see people taking vinyl off their houses and trying to restore the wood siding underneath or residing with wood. Especially in developing subdivisions where market value has escalated. People think vinyl looks cheap.

   Vinyl siding as a business is an easy upstart for someone wanting to break into the contracting business with very few tools and not much experience. The end result is a lot of poor quality installations.

   For someone who thinks they are protecting their house by installing vinyl don't count on it. Finished jobs may look nice on the outside but still have a deteriorating structure under the vinyl. More attention needs to be given to flashing techniques. Sometime the worst leaks are the ones you don't see.

   The vinyl manufacturing industry has failed miserably to educate installers on procedure. Wholesalers only give incentives for sales quota's never mentioning technique or quality.

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   DANL | Jul 17, 2004 09:24pm | #4

   About vinyl not protecting: I wrote about this in another discussion, but found that around one of my windows the installers didn't use flashing and left the old and damaged (rotting) sill. Their job just covered it and made it worse by trapping moisture. I didn't see it till I noticed their caulk was falling out and then saw the mess.

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   brownbagg | Jul 17, 2004 09:29pm | #5

   this has been a problem in the south for years, the termite capital of the world, another one is the fake stucco, they love to tunnel in the foam to the attic. Brick really is the only way.

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   DANL | Jul 17, 2004 09:53pm | #6

   When we first moved to Midland (Mich), we had to live in an old house downtown. The carpenter ants (maybe they were mason ants? : ) ) even had tunnels in the brick! (Well, in the mortar.) Tough ants.

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   NickNukeEm | Jul 18, 2004 04:03am | #7

   Went to see a couple about some repairs and remodel.  The highest priority was the moss growing from the coil stock wrapped around the casing of the garage, and the pieces of rotten wood on the ground beneath it.  Tearing back the aluminum and vinyl j-channel was the worst case of rot I had seen in a while, and I've seen some rot, I have to rip out more siding to uncover the damage, but the header inside was showing discoloration, as well as the trimmers.  All because the vinyl had not been installed right (no flashing above the coil stock trim.)  The trim acted like a scupper, diverting water into the framing and sheathing.

   I hate vinyl.  I know a lot of people make money installing it, but unless it is part of a repair/renovation that I'm working on, I won't touch it.  I've seen too many shingle houses stripped of their identity around this coastal town, the molding and details suffocating beneath a coat of boring beige vinyl siding.  I know, I know, maintenance free, right?  Tell that to the guy whose gonna pay me to fix the results.

   Did I tell you how much a hate - loath - vinyl siding?

   I never met a tool I didn't like!
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   DanH | Jul 18, 2004 04:30am | #8

   I have seen about five houses done in vinyl that look nice. Of course, given that there are probably 20,000 homes done in vinyl around here, that's not saying much.

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   Piffin | Jul 18, 2004 05:39am | #9

   Hi there bean,

   I think that if properly instaled, Vinyl can be as good a siding as most others for a generation on a new house that is designed for control of moisture.

   but around here, most of it is retrofit siding onto older clapboards. TYime comes when the owners find out that a good quality paint job and a residing over old with vinyl can be about the same in cost. To them, with that cute saying, "Vinyl is final" ringing in their ears, they sign on the dotted line.

   but the problem is unqualified installers who don't know beans ( oops - soory for mixing up my terminology ) about flashings get the work, and then hurry to get the place looking good and be on their way to the bank leaving a tailgate warrantee....

   That and the increase in humidity that comes of wrapping your old house in plastic after it has beeen breathing freely for several years or decades already.

    

    

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   JeffBuck | Jul 18, 2004 08:49am | #10

   actually ...

   vinyl siding doesn't cause any problems ...

   it's pretty much another harmless building material.

   It's poor installations that cause such problems ...

   and poor installations aren't limited to any one building material.

   first ... get your facts straight.

   second ... what happened ... a piece of vinyl fall off and hit you on the head or something? What's the beef? It's just a simple piece of plastic ... it don't mean ya no harm ....

   Jeff

   Buck Construction, llc   Pittsburgh,PA

        Artistry in Carpentry                

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   superwork | Jul 18, 2004 04:18pm | #13

   Listen Buckboy defend the product if you like, nobody is putting it down. I just asked if anyone else was finding this damage like I was. You keep playing with the plastic, I would'nt put that crap on a dog house. What's the matter , just cover your house in the #### ? Oh that was a hit in the head.

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   Hubedube | Jul 18, 2004 04:32pm | #14

   Jeff , in my opinion, you areRIGHT ON in your analysis.If the job isnt done correctly in the first place leading up to the siding installation, then it would'nt matter what you use, it will still have problems.   I'm certainly glad that there are some us that can see thru this abnoxious report suggesting that "vinyl"'siding" is the culprit.    Hube

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   hammer1 | Jul 18, 2004 09:10am | #11

   I agree with Piffin that a lot of vinyl just covered over a maintenance problem. It still gets to me when I think of all the beautiful old barns that were torn down around here because the owners could not afford the roof and paint. Look at all the products that preceded vinyl; asbestos, asphalt, aluminum. All were about the maintenance of what was covered over. Love the red brick asphalt though. I think maintenance will always be a big factor and energy conservation may also become a more major issue. Some of the new methods are using insulation on the exterior sealed tight all the way to the roof sheathing. Fire resistance is certainly another issue. Add UV protection make it cheep and easy to install and you will be the next billionaire. The vinyl industry is trying to offer a higher quality and more diverse product. I still think they will be the sales leaders in the near future but with a better product. The cementitious products also show promise but anything that looks ratty when the paint fades will surely get covered over someday.

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   dbanes | Jul 19, 2004 03:32am | #23

   Your worst problem with vinyl, is it has drain vents on the bottom (that you mustn't close) ... these are letting out all of those "bug-bar-b-que" odors of that wood that still really lives...leaking sap and moving moisture through it's self...You WOOD-KILLER!